Author Topic: How far is TOO far?  (Read 1968 times)

Offline sweet_potato

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Re: How far is TOO far?
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2011, 03:51:39 pm »
My old co teacher used to have serious anger management issues. I'm not sure what would happen exactly, but she would suddenly start screaming at a random kid (usually a girl) and it would be very uncomfortable in the classroom. She wouldn't actually hit the kids, but I've seen her drag a girl by the hood of her jacket outside. Again, I never knew the whole story, but sometimes this would go on for like 10-15 minutes outside of the classroom. It was difficult to move on with the lesson when she is screaming bloody murder outside and the rest of the class can clearly hear it and are sitting there horrified. Oh and there was no way in hell I was going to talk to her afterward, because she would come back to the room in the most foul mood and she wouldn't even acknowledge me or other students. On one of her happier days, I casually started talking about discipline and how things are different in Korea etc, and without being direct with her, she got the hint that foreign people do not like seeing that kind of thing, and she started screaming at the kids more "quietly" outside. Anyway... that's all I can offer on this. Good luck.

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Re: How far is TOO far?
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2011, 04:39:04 pm »
The day I see one of my co-workers harm a student under the guise of "punishment" is the day I resign from my position.

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Re: How far is TOO far?
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2011, 09:58:15 pm »
Difficult.  I mean, if someone is really beating a child in front of you, abusively, then yeah I think there's a point where it's your ethical obligation to stop it if you possibly can.  You can't really predict or prevent someone from going over and punching a child in the head. 
 
The corporal punishment thing seems to be coming up fairly often on this board.  Basically, yeah, punching a child in the head is is too, it is abusive, and if you're in Seoul (and I think Gyeonggi) it is also illegal.  In some cases it's very strongly enforced but in many other places in Korea, still very accepted/widely tolerated.  If you're in a Seoul school, pointing out that corporal punishment is now illegal, and that teachers HAVE had the police called on them, etc. in recent months for stuff like this and that you're uncomfortable witnessing something illegal could be a good way to approach it.  Emphasize you want to adhere to Seoul's new laws, you feel safer doing so as a foreigner and so on.

I am glad you gave some background on this kid though, because it shows that there are lots of issues going on here--students with behavioral/emotional problems, teachers who have not had classroom management training that goes much beyond corporal punishment, and a school system that pretty much leaves the teacher on their own to deal with these students without the kind of support-system hierarchy you'd have at home.

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Re: How far is TOO far?
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2011, 11:29:03 pm »
I don't give a crap. 'My' boys (middle school) get beat all the time by the K teachers - it's a little intro. to their national service and the sadistic bastards who will out rank them.

I'm not Han and never will be. K-land doesn't care about me or what I think. You either (if you're a foreigner).
The Ks once gave me five minutes notice. I didn't know what to do with the extra time.