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Offline firebreaker

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Re: English Summer camp dispute with Co-Teacher
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2011, 01:06:42 PM »
If you have a good relationship with your co-teacher and school, then they MIGHT let you stay home during that time, but you'd have to use your words very carefully. It won't be reported to EPIK.
If you teach a class that has all special needs kids with only the physical ability to move their hands up and down, then you'll be fired because they all gave you checks instead of circles.

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Re: English Summer camp dispute with Co-Teacher
« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2011, 06:21:22 PM »
Um, do you realize how many people would KILL to have most of their summer camps slashed?  Seriously, consider yourself lucky.  It just means a million times less planning for you and more time to possibly not have to come in to work.  This is so mind boggling to me.

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Re: English Summer camp dispute with Co-Teacher
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2011, 06:31:24 PM »
Um, do you realize how many people would KILL to have most of their summer camps slashed?  Seriously, consider yourself lucky.  It just means a million times less planning for you and more time to possibly not have to come in to work.  This is so mind boggling to me.

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Re: English Summer camp dispute with Co-Teacher
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2011, 10:15:55 PM »
Deskwarming isn't so bad as long as you have a computer.

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Re: English Summer camp dispute with Co-Teacher
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2011, 11:03:36 PM »
Camp > Deskwarming
Only if you have nothing better to do. Anyone who says they have nothing to do while "deskwarming" is not a teacher.

Lots of things for me to do to prepare for the next semester:
- develop the new for-credit courses for next semester that were dumped on my desk
- develop new textbooks for two classes
- print said textbooks once finalized
- select and purchase new textbooks for two other classes
- make syllabi and prep lessons based on all four new textbooks
- prepare interns for their work abroad and other students for study abroad... etc etc.

Lots to do while "deskwarming" before vacation starts, and that's not even counting the stuff I have to do for KOTESOL, or the packing up of my office because our entire department is moving into a new building, or the writing of a research proposal, maybe even a conference presentation...

Plenty of things to keep me busy that I would rather be doing that a camp would just be interfering with.

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Re: English Summer camp dispute with Co-Teacher
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2011, 10:46:10 AM »
Camp > Deskwarming
Only if you have nothing better to do. Anyone who says they have nothing to do while "deskwarming" is not a teacher.

Lots of things for me to do to prepare for the next semester:
- develop the new for-credit courses for next semester that were dumped on my desk
- develop new textbooks for two classes
- print said textbooks once finalized
- select and purchase new textbooks for two other classes
- make syllabi and prep lessons based on all four new textbooks
- prepare interns for their work abroad and other students for study abroad... etc etc.

Lots to do while "deskwarming" before vacation starts, and that's not even counting the stuff I have to do for KOTESOL, or the packing up of my office because our entire department is moving into a new building, or the writing of a research proposal, maybe even a conference presentation...

Plenty of things to keep me busy that I would rather be doing that a camp would just be interfering with.

The fact that around 20% of my lessons will get cancelled, often on short notice, gives me enormous incentive to want to come into school the eight weeks of the year when there is nothing for me to do and attempt the above.

BTW, what for-credit course has a waeg ever developed for a PS that wasn't a FLHS?

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Re: English Summer camp dispute with Co-Teacher
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2011, 12:12:13 PM »
Sounds like your co-teacher does not have as good of a time as you when doing the English Camps

Prehaps you should share some Ideas with her on how to make her time in the camp more enjoyable.

If thats not the case. Enjoy an extra week of deskwarming :(

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Re: English Summer camp dispute with Co-Teacher
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2011, 12:34:54 PM »
Camp > Deskwarming
Only if you have nothing better to do. Anyone who says they have nothing to do while "deskwarming" is not a teacher.

Lots of things for me to do to prepare for the next semester:
- develop the new for-credit courses for next semester that were dumped on my desk
- develop new textbooks for two classes
- print said textbooks once finalized
- select and purchase new textbooks for two other classes
- make syllabi and prep lessons based on all four new textbooks
- prepare interns for their work abroad and other students for study abroad... etc etc.

Lots to do while "deskwarming" before vacation starts, and that's not even counting the stuff I have to do for KOTESOL, or the packing up of my office because our entire department is moving into a new building, or the writing of a research proposal, maybe even a conference presentation...

Plenty of things to keep me busy that I would rather be doing that a camp would just be interfering with.

We get it, you're better than all of us.  I'm sorry but teaching elementary like I do you can only make so many ppts sitting alone in a silent office before the suicidal thoughts begin.  I would rather spend the day teaching, which I enjoy, than deskwarming, which I loathe.
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Re: English Summer camp dispute with Co-Teacher
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2011, 01:45:35 AM »
BTW, what for-credit course has a waeg ever developed for a PS that wasn't a FLHS?

Never said I work at a PS. But just because I'm on "vacation" doesn't mean I don't have work to do.

We get it, you're better than all of us.

If that's what you got from my post, you may want to try reading it again.

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I would rather spend the day teaching, which I enjoy, than deskwarming, which I loathe.

And again, the point I was making is there should be no "deskwarming"... there should be plenty for any teacher to do to keep himself busy during that time.

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Re: English Summer camp dispute with Co-Teacher
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2011, 06:49:39 PM »
BTW, what for-credit course has a waeg ever developed for a PS that wasn't a FLHS?

Never said I work at a PS. But just because I'm on "vacation" doesn't mean I don't have work to do.


So you don't work for a PS, but you're giving us suggestions about how we as PS teachers could improve by emulating your work strategies.

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Re: English Summer camp dispute with Co-Teacher
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2011, 10:56:35 PM »
So you don't work for a PS, but you're giving us suggestions about how we as PS teachers could improve by emulating your work strategies.

*sigh* No.
 
I'll say it for the third time. Try to keep up. If you are complaining about "deskwarming" because you have "nothing to do", you are not thinking hard enough. There is always something to do to keep a teacher busy. It's not like this is anything new to you.

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Re: English Summer camp dispute with Co-Teacher
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2011, 11:07:52 PM »
This barely stayed on topic for a page. We don't need to argue about unrelated ideas. Thank you for the input about my situation. I decided to start telling various students about the summer camp and had a discussion with my head teacher. The end result was, every class was informed of the summer camp. She was under the impression, if camp was one week, she could have the second week off to be with her son. But it is not that way at my school and she would be there both weeks regardless. Also, she get approached by a number of her own student and they were very angry with her. She did not tell them about summer camp and they found out from the older students.
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Re: English Summer camp dispute with Co-Teacher
« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2011, 10:29:26 AM »
So you don't work for a PS, but you're giving us suggestions about how we as PS teachers could improve by emulating your work strategies.
There is always something to do to

Like taking a TESOL course because you don't have to desk-warm.

As for the OP, that's great, since I gather that on the whole your school's not that great. Some of the extra-curricular stuff I've done has been the most fulfilling teaching-wise, and if most of my classes were pretty useless, that would be even more so. Could you make some kind of secret agreement with your CT that she comes in and makes an appearance and then just goes home? For instance she could come in, do her morning meet-and-great, turn on her computer and leave a handbag on her desk and then sneak off after she's taken attendance. Then, when you're done you could turn off her computer and hide her bag.

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Re: English Summer camp dispute with Co-Teacher
« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2011, 10:57:31 AM »
So you don't work for a PS, but you're giving us suggestions about how we as PS teachers could improve by emulating your work strategies.
There is always something to do to

Like taking a TESOL course because you don't have to desk-warm.

As for the OP, that's great, since I gather that on the whole your school's not that great. Some of the extra-curricular stuff I've done has been the most fulfilling teaching-wise, and if most of my classes were pretty useless, that would be even more so. Could you make some kind of secret agreement with your CT that she comes in and makes an appearance and then just goes home? For instance she could come in, do her morning meet-and-great, turn on her computer and leave a handbag on her desk and then sneak off after she's taken attendance. Then, when you're done you could turn off her computer and hide her bag.


She has to attend regardless of the Summer camp and no, she can't leave. The VP is at the school and in the same office. He would have her head on a spike. He runs the school like the principal and the principal is like a grandfather, he doesn't care much. The principal is retiring soon and the VP wants promotions. To me, he is nice and my strongest ally. To everyone else, is he is booth-thirsty tyrant.

My school is hit and miss. The new teachers hate it, because it is so random and changes so much and they do not know the system yet. The students are in the bottom 10% and have the worst attitudes. Our school is ranked one of the worst for behavioral issues in Incheon. The students respond well to me and are improving, but they have violent mood swings lol.
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Re: English Summer camp dispute with Co-Teacher
« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2011, 11:19:14 AM »
Hi Damien,

Most school are told to do three week camps. You're lucky.

 

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