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http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2938319

“Every time I meet my friends, I ask them to set me up with someone,” she said. “And every single time, they let out a sigh and say, ‘There’s no one decent enough.’”

"Ahn is not alone in her singlehood. For well-educated Korean women in their late 20s, there simply aren’t enough suitable boys to go around."



- Interesting article. I'm kind of surprised by this. I guess everybody thinks they're too good for each other.  :laugh:...

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Re: Joongang Daily: "Why Korean girls can't find guys, and vice versa"
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2011, 07:16:44 pm »
“I don’t believe that I am picky.”

I think their expectations are way too high.
Do they look more about the materialistic parts of a person rather than the personality? Does this woman give a person a chance, or is she too busy thinking how he will support her financially rather than emotionally from the 2 hours of nervous conversations on a first date?
Frankly, i wouldn't want to meet someone like her either lol.

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Re: Joongang Daily: "Why Korean girls can't find guys, and vice versa"
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2011, 07:18:56 pm »
I also think that is has a lot to do with the culture here that Koreans are only expected to marry Koreans and it is the exception rather than the rule when they do. Plenty of Korean girls date foreign men but when it comes to marriage it is a no-no.  It is even worse for the men and very few men (in Seoul anyway) date foreign girls.

Where the rules do change a bit, is when men pass the age of marriage for Korea and then they resort to finding a wife in South East Asia.

It's going to take a long time for this to change.  I have a Korean friend in the same situation, good looking,  intelligent, well-educated and desperate for a boyfriend, BUT she will not consider dating a foreigner because of what her parents will say.  She is now past the age of marriage in Korea, so there is pretty much no hope for her.

So sad that your culture can condemn you to a life of loneliness.
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Re: Joongang Daily: "Why Korean girls can't find guys, and vice versa"
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2011, 07:42:09 pm »
I don't think it's only a Korean thing... they put 'Korean' in front of it because of the whole nationalist thing, but it's pretty much everywhere. Seriously, it's not like marriage is all that big back home anymore either... and people are getting divorced for stupid reasons.

I'm actually starting to think that men and women have always pretty much hated each other and finally they're free to admit it.
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2011, 08:11:56 pm »
I think a lot of people bck home are extra picky too.  I know plenty of peeps in their thirties who are still only dating.

Everyone is waiting for 'the right one.'  And also to 'find themselves' before they settle down.

One thing about a more traditonal / old fashioned culture is that societal pressure gave people less 'analysis paralasys' and they had to knuckle down and go for it when the fist decent and attractive 'enough' person became available / made advances etc.  Then they worked through the up and downs and imperfections.

Now we have so many whims to fulfill, analasys paralasys, lots of choice (if you're half decent looking and have some charisma) and ways out too are more acceptable (divorce, etc.)

I'm not saying either is right / better.
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Re: Joongang Daily: "Why Korean girls can't find guys, and vice versa"
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2011, 08:49:50 pm »
I also think that is has a lot to do with the culture here that Koreans are only expected to marry Koreans and it is the exception rather than the rule when they do. Plenty of Korean girls date foreign men but when it comes to marriage it is a no-no.  It is even worse for the men and very few men (in Seoul anyway) date foreign girls.

Where the rules do change a bit, is when men pass the age of marriage for Korea and then they resort to finding a wife in South East Asia.

It's going to take a long time for this to change.  I have a Korean friend in the same situation, good looking,  intelligent, well-educated and desperate for a boyfriend, BUT she will not consider dating a foreigner because of what her parents will say.  She is now past the age of marriage in Korea, so there is pretty much no hope for her.

So sad that your culture can condemn you to a life of loneliness.
There is so much truth in this.  I had a serious relationship with a Korean girl and her parents refused to allow us to get married because I'm not Korean.  It turned me off to the dating scene here for a while.
I was told by a group of women that they are really interested in dating foreign guys for the experience, but they'd never marry one.  It was pretty hard to take Korean girls seriously after hearing that.
I'm now married to a Korean woman and this is definitely not the norm.  However, my wife just told me that one of her friends is only interested in marrying an American man because she has some friends married to Americans and she prefers how they treat their wives.
I'm now tasked with finding a suitable single American guy for her.  For some reason I have a feeling this is a job I should really avoid, though!

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Re: Joongang Daily: "Why Korean girls can't find guys, and vice versa"
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2011, 10:56:03 pm »
I don't think it's only a Korean thing... they put 'Korean' in front of it because of the whole nationalist thing, but it's pretty much everywhere. Seriously, it's not like marriage is all that big back home anymore either... and people are getting divorced for stupid reasons.

I'm actually starting to think that men and women have always pretty much hated each other and finally they're free to admit it.

You can google articles just like this one written in the States.  It's one of those issues developed/wealthy countries talk about a lot, the dating woes of their upperclass 20somethings.

Personally, this doesn't reflect the reality of my own social circles at all, where people seem to be pretty good at coupling up with people they have lots in common with and staying pretty happy, all things considered.  If you really want to break it down, I feel like the phenomenon this article refers to is sort of common in a more "overachiver" demographic of successful young people whose very high standards for themselves also carries over to very high standards for mates.

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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2011, 11:18:08 pm »
I think the culprit is Korean dramas.  You constantly see average girls meeting, dating, and eventually marrying a tall, handsome, and rich dude. Thus, average Korean girls thinking they can do same.  :laugh:

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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2011, 11:21:33 pm »
Korean girls have ridiculously high expectations considering their quality. I've met average, plain Jane's here who think a rich guy is going to come and sweep them off their feet. And I always think when I'm with them, "why would a rich dude want a girl like you when there are so many better ones." I think a lof the ego with the Korean chicks here in Korea is because of the gender imbalance and the fact that they can pretty much dictate things. Put them in another environment and they wouldn't stick out at all.

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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2011, 11:41:23 pm »
Korean girls have ridiculously high expectations considering their quality. I've met average, plain Jane's here who think a rich guy is going to come and sweep them off their feet. And I always think when I'm with them, "why would a rich dude want a girl like you when there are so many better ones." I think a lof the ego with the Korean chicks here in Korea is because of the gender imbalance and the fact that they can pretty much dictate things. Put them in another environment and they wouldn't stick out at all.

Yeah, it's pretty rediculous. I think they forget that the longer they wait, the chances of them finding a suitable  man decreases since outer beauty is a depreciating asset. I think guys can stick out longer and accumulate wealth and thus find a suitable partner or find a foreign wife, but what are Korean women going to do? I think it's going to cause some social problems in the near future.

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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2011, 06:37:17 am »
If you ever have some free time just after lunch time there is a Korean program called Love Switch.  It can be (sadly) hilarious.  The women on the show are very picky as are the bachelors they bring on.  When the dust and smoke clear at the end of the show, usually cuteness prevails, but I always wonder for how long.  One social trend here, which does seem to have a big influence, is that Koreans seem to prefer people of the opposite sex who are socially, culturally, educationally and professionally similar to themselves.  There don't seem to be very many Cinderella marriages here where the (socially average) girl marries (upward social mobility through marriage) the rich, handsome, charismatic professional, nor does the reverse seem to happen.  Another factor, which I have seen, is cultural friction which you don't really experience until after you get married.  Koreans seem to want the melting pot type of marriages, but many international marriages really seem to be more of the fruit salad type.  Mixed but not seamlessly melted together like a well-cooked, spicy jiggae.   I've been married for fifteen years, and living here is comfortable for me, but I'm still a fruit salad type of guy.  What's your experience?

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Re: Joongang Daily: "Why Korean girls can't find guys, and vice versa"
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2011, 07:46:16 am »

- Interesting article. I'm kind of surprised by this. I guess everybody thinks they're too good for each other.  :laugh:...

i'm not surprised...koreans tend to believe they are superior to everyone...especially korean women who are disillusioned about their own worth...

but truth be told...when a korean woman says she can't find anyone suitable enough...it means she can't find someone with money to burn on her to by designer bags, take expensive trips, and basically shower her with gifts (notice how i didn't say anything about genuine affection)...


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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2011, 07:50:55 am »
Successful females having a hard time finding dates is an international phenomenon. I am totally serious when I say this, guys egos are generally too fragile and because of that they do not want to date a woman who is smarter than them. Tall woman have a similar problem too.
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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2011, 07:52:24 am »
Am I the only one that wants to make a lesson out of this?  :o

Seriously though, I guess it makes sense to want someone who's at a similar situation or higher, not sure how finances fit into that.  It could be that their jobs make it intimidating for other people to approach them?

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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2011, 07:59:51 am »
Successful females having a hard time finding dates is an international phenomenon. I am totally serious when I say this, guys egos are generally too fragile and because of that they do not want to date a woman who is smarter than them. Tall woman have a similar problem too.

I'm tall.  Sooooo true.

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Re: Joongang Daily: "Why Korean girls can't find guys, and vice versa"
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2011, 08:00:23 am »
I don't feel that this is such a foreign concept. Back home, no one is getting married. I think it has to do with something more general...at the very least capitalism...but perhaps its just human nature (albeit human nature in a society that permits its freedom in this manner). The Marx Bros joke sums it all up : "I  would never join a club that would have me as a member." I think finding love is like real estate in this manner, in the transaction both sides think they are getting the better deal (someone who is too goo for them). That's why its seen as a miracle.

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« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2011, 08:05:11 am »
I think that minamteacher on to something here. We need to remember that women generally find status and power (good education/job/family background) as important cues for attractiveness, while men place more value on youth and physical beauty. The problem we are finding now is that with greater employment equality and more women than men completing post-secondary education, women are finding it more and more difficult to find men who meet those traditional indicators of desirability.

I think both men and women need to adjust their preferences based on the fact that traditional gender roles have drastically changed in recent years.

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« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2011, 08:23:33 am »
I think it is incredibly unfair to paint all Korean women with this same stereotypical brush.  Please remember that we are talking about a large pool of actual human beings, and though the few women you may have come into contact with may, in your opinion, have expectations that are "too high," I'm sure there are a multitude of factors, personality traits, family issues, etc. that affect an individual Korean woman's decision to get married. 

From my observations, and going off of the situations some of my Korean friends are in, a lot of time it wasn't necessarily up to them who they would marry.  As one poster pointed out, he had a Korean girlfriend whose parents disapproved of the relationship, and therefore marriage was not an option.  Family and filial piety is, in general, a lot more important here than back "home" (and of course this statement is also upon your individual background, family, country's customs, etc.).  A marriage is a union of two families, and given that viewpoint it's understandable that women are expected to further their own family's standing by making a successful union.  I'm not saying this is right or wrong, but it is a viewpoint to take into consideration before we all start saying the Korean women are stuck-up/picky/whatever.

And if they are picky, why shouldn't they be?  No one wants to settle.  As long as you're not being mean to anyone I don't see why you can't try and find someone who fits your own standards.  The social framework in which Korean women operate is still very narrow, so I understand why a woman would want to find what she feels is the best possible marriage match.  She's stuck with the guy for the rest of her life, after all.  She's not going to be happy or at all content if she's with someone she doesn't respect (well, I wouldn't be, at any rate).  Or, if because of her family's influence she is destined to be unhappy/not like the person she's going to marry, I could understand how she would try to find an outlet through other means, be they financial or whatever.  Not that I'm saying one should choose a partner based upon financial gains as opposed to actual love, but if you're going to be stuck with someone who hate anyway, why not go for the gold?  At least she won't be both destitute and completely miserable.  I understand this is a completely cynical view, but it is reality for some women.



Korean girls have ridiculously high expectations considering their quality. I've met average, plain Jane's here who think a rich guy is going to come and sweep them off their feet. And I always think when I'm with them, "why would a rich dude want a girl like you when there are so many better ones." I think a lof the ego with the Korean chicks here in Korea is because of the gender imbalance and the fact that they can pretty much dictate things. Put them in another environment and they wouldn't stick out at all.
Yeah, it's pretty rediculous. I think they forget that the longer they wait, the chances of them finding a suitable  man decreases since outer beauty is a depreciating asset. I think guys can stick out longer and accumulate wealth and thus find a suitable partner or find a foreign wife, but what are Korean women going to do? I think it's going to cause some social problems in the near future.
i'm not surprised...koreans tend to believe they are superior to everyone...especially korean women who are disillusioned about their own worth...

but truth be told...when a korean woman says she can't find anyone suitable enough...it means she can't find someone with money to burn on her to by designer bags, take expensive trips, and basically shower her with gifts (notice how i didn't say anything about genuine affection)...
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« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2011, 09:08:03 am »
How did I just know that this article had to have been written by a couple of women? Things are still looking very bright for the Vietnamse bridal agencies. If Korea ever unifies there are 820,029 women who can just forget about the idea.

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« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2011, 09:20:23 am »
Everything is modern here, but the people's attitudes are not. Attitudes are like they were in England 100 years ago. I think Jane Austin, Titanic. It applies to the workplace, family, relationships etc. I'm sorry but Korean attitudes to an Englishman are outdated. They might catch up in a 100 or so years. Korean girls are hot but I can't stand to date one. I've resigned myself to a life of loneliness in Korea!