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Re: Joongang Daily: "Why Korean girls can't find guys, and vice versa"
« Reply #60 on: August 05, 2011, 12:55:24 pm »
I understand where "Ahn" is coming from in that she wants an intellectual equal, but to base that solely on whether or not they went to just as qualified a university that she did for happiness is a little crazy. Personally, I do look for someone who has graduated from college and is roughly in my age range, but for me (as an American) I don't focus on whether they went to a university in another country, or if they went to a Division 1, Division 2 or a division 3 school or if they graduated from a technical or vocational college. I have also met many women who don't graduate from a college or university, but they have made something of themselves despite this. I guess I am a little picky, but as a person in their late 20s who hasn't had much luck I feel a little sympathetic for her. I think what some people have said on here about culture affecting this is true. The way middle school and high school students rank the universities here and feel like crap when they don't get into one of the top 3 is really going overboard. Seriously, with the population here in Korea, they can't all expect to go to the same 3 universities and get the same education. It's a nice thought, but maybe if they payed more attention in school and worked their butts to learn English or other subjects in their schools they would do better on entrance exams and then they could go to better colleges and universities.

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Re: Joongang Daily: "Why Korean girls can't find guys, and vice versa"
« Reply #61 on: August 07, 2011, 02:41:35 am »
I have a few (8ish) Korean friends that are female and the impression I get is that it is the lifestyle they are looking for when marrying a guy. A North American friend of mine ( a really nice and smart guy) started to date a Korean girl and then my wife (who is Korean) said to her that he won't treat you like a princess, you will be expected to work and contribute to the household etc she dropped him like a hot potato!!!   She wanted to get married and be a lady who lunches (she's now been giving the come on to a guy with a BMW!! )

 I find that is a general consensus with the girls I know who are all in their 30's they are looking for this ideal guy and have a check list of quality's that must be there (it is more akin to buying a car) must have good job etc etc unfortunately those are the guys who are snapped up first!!   

I have a belief in that because they don't have a lot of casual dating they can't experience that different guys have different quality's and attributes that they can fall in love with, so they have all these T.V. and peer fed ideals about a guy.   A casing point, all these guys carrying their girlfriends bags and wearing couples clothing is all fed through peer pressure, if one girl gets their guy to do something (ridiculous) they all want it!!

Even though the divorce rate is so high here single women won't contemplate marrying a divorced guy. I am divorced and that is accepted because I am a westerner ;)

I had a 16 year old conversation English student who wanted to be a air-hostess so she could meet and marry a pilot!!!!! :/   .....   I rest my case your honour!!!


PS thought I would share this one with you!!   My wife has a (nice) friend , husband and 2 kids etc.  My wife and I were on the bus and my wife said that is xyz's fathers bike store, I said that's nice etc, my wife then said yes my friend doesn't talk to him much, I said why? she said because he wears shiny shirts and strange clothes, so I said well the guy is nearly 70 and enjoying life what is the problem? she said well his son graduated at Seoul University and is a Dr so the daughter feels the father should dress more conservatively.....   




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Re: Joongang Daily: "Why Korean girls can't find guys, and vice versa"
« Reply #62 on: August 07, 2011, 08:41:53 pm »
Geez, the superficiality of Korean culture never ends. So thankful I was not born into this "culture." I just think it is such ridiculous and backwards thinking. So, if you don't go to one of the top 3 universities in Korea, then your life is basically over? Sheesh.. Game, set match. Oh, and your parents are also to be ashamed of it and must dress down for it...LOL. You always have to be number 1, can't ever not be. Sad and pathetic.

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Re: Joongang Daily: "Why Korean girls can't find guys, and vice versa"
« Reply #63 on: August 08, 2011, 07:20:26 am »
Today's women want too much.  They want a rich, handsome, funny, kind, athletic, successful, man that for some reason wants to support them in every way possible without asking for anything in return.

Today's men want too much.  They want a beautiful, demure, one-man whorish, unique, woman that for some reason puts his needs over her own without asking for anything in return.

Today's marriage seems to be a case of settling until something better comes along and then see ya later.

There's your problem.  Society is crumbling worldwide.  Extreme materialistic views have done in the love.

Thank goodness.  I'm still shmexy.  ;D

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« Reply #64 on: August 09, 2011, 10:52:25 am »
^^^I agree that society is crumbling... I blame Facebook and the Internet in general.

Wayyyy too many people have an unrealistic sense of self and an unrealistic sense of others. When I was growing up and the Internet wasn't around... it was just so much easier to not be bombarded with flirtatious imagery-- I don't just mean porn either, I mean advertising, celebrity, people trying to sell you things by convincing you that 'you deserve it', etc...

In my small town high school there were winners and losers but on the whole everyone was good enough for each other and almost everyone could find someone, even if they were the 'loser' crowd... and that kind of thing really doesn't matter because the point is you're happy because you have someone you can identify with and talk to and who will be there for you and that's what it's all about anyway. But now people have someone and someone else and someone online and they're still not happy and it's never good enough!

Our generation is one of the first ones to have been absolutely bombarded with 'the ideal' for so long that it's become like a given... online and through 'texting', it's too easy to self-edit and re-think what you're going to say so you lose the endearing awkwardness and everything becomes more about saying the perfect thing... it makes me want to move to a cabin in the woods and marry a cavewoman.

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Re: Joongang Daily: "Why Korean girls can't find guys, and vice versa"
« Reply #65 on: August 09, 2011, 02:32:46 pm »
Part of that is a large number of late-twenties women who live with their parents and still have curfews.  There is a bit of double-talk going on in some families: "Get married, but don't stay out late on a Saturday meeting men.  In your late twenties and even thirties."   :o

I find this to be kind of a weird explanation. Do you think women living with their parents and having curfews in Korea is a new phenomenon? If not, how have Koreans managed to date and marry in the past?

I find this to be a good explanation for East Asia in general. History of semi-sorta-arranged marriages, so what as Westerners we'd consider normal dating practices can be awkward.

Personal anecdote: I've literally had an ex who, despite being over the "first" age-stigma deadline of 25 (not sure if Korea has that one actually, people seem to still freak out at 30, but then that's everywhere) still wasn't permitted to go away for even an overnight trip once in a blue moon. With work hours and an uncomfortably early curfew in place courtesy of early transit closures, this was of course a lingering problem. When prompted to explain, she basically stated that I'd have to marry her first; end of discussion.
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"Why Korean girls can't find guys, and vice versa"
« Reply #66 on: August 16, 2011, 10:37:44 am »
You might wanna check out this link. It's about korean girls. Haha !  :)

http://www.lifeinkorea.com/boards/read.cfm?boardid=19&msgid=155

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« Reply #67 on: August 17, 2011, 01:50:16 am »
Having been here a couple years, the romantic woes of Korean singles is anything but surprising.  I think two topics that haven't been covered are their socialization and the culture of exclusion.
From what I can tell, the average day of a successful middle school or high school student is spent shifting from home, to school, to hagwons. As a high school student, my ex would leave her hagwon at 12 am. A critical time in social development, therefore, is passed over in the obsession to get into a top school. So while they may have benefited intellectually from their incessant schooling, the constant parental coddling and social deprivation severely impedes their maturity.
The exclusive element of Korean culture has a debilitating effect on their abilities to successfuly network. Most Korean college students only associate themselves with people in their major. Think about that: they spend all day in the dorms and on campus with thousands of fellow students, but will only interact with those taking the same classes.
 This culture of exclusion can be seen in the layout of your typical bar, where everyone is segregated within booths. There is a popular bar in Cheonan where not only are patrons cordoned off in booths, but sequestered behind curtains! In Pyeongtaek they've taken this a step further, where instead of a curtain, you have a sliding opaque door that can be locked to ward off unwanted company. Now I'm not suggesting a bar is the best place to meet a long-term match, but it is a good place to practice social skills and network. Once again an opportunity missed.
I agree with alot of the other sentiments (unrealistic expectations, superficiality, parental and social pressure) but I'm too tired to elaborate!

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Re: Joongang Daily: "Why Korean girls can't find guys, and vice versa"
« Reply #68 on: August 17, 2011, 08:51:54 am »
I think it's hard enough to even start a friendship with the korean girls here, so I dont think I would date one here, basically it's just a waste of time.  I know a lot of girls who date two or more guys at the same time or they just flirt around the guys around them.  I guess it's because of the imbalance of the social power in the country, where they just want to find the man who can satisfy what they want ....  it's just sad to me to see this happening in Korea.

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« Reply #69 on: August 21, 2011, 09:14:12 pm »
Never piss off a korean girl. I learned my lesson well. Go figure. lol.  :laugh:

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« Reply #70 on: August 22, 2011, 05:49:24 pm »
I manage to piss off my wife at least once every couple of months.  I'm still trying to master the Korean telepathy thing.   I'm still here.  Have been for 15 years of marriage to the same Korean woman.