Getting it off my hairy chest

[donuts81]

More power to 'em I say! Have you ever seen one of those "ugly guys" pick up a lady? They have got a lot more perseverance, and far less shame than I have.


For what it's worth, I have noticed a lot of average Korean guys with truly beautiful Korean woman as well.

[madison79]

In my opinion Korean women need to drop their fascination with western culture and western men and display the same amount of pride in their local men as they do in their local technology and motor industries. It is the only way to subdue these morons' delusions of grandeur.

I don't know if it's so much fascination or just Korean women getting frustrated with the actions of Korean men.  Jeju women are told to only marry men from Jeju.  It's kind of taboo to marry/date western men but Jeju Island has the highest divorce rate in Korea.  Let's take a look at some of the things that are normal male behavior in Korea.
1:  Drinking with your friends 1-4 nights a week.  This is very uncommon with waygooks who aren't boozers.
2:  Lack of life management skills. ie cooking, cleaning.  Most Korean men let mommy do everything for them.  Some won't even help with daily chores.
3:  Getting cheated on.  Women in Jeju know that  their husbands or bfs cheat on them but they are told that "He'll come back to you."  Most foreign men don't cheat on their gf/wife.
4:  Physical abuse:  Let's face it.  Some Korean men hit their wives or gfs.  Where I come from if you hit a women other men will beat your ass and then call the cops on you.  I once saw a young 20ish drunk Korean man beat on his mom after his gf dropped him off.
5:  General lack of social skills with opposite sex.  IMO I find the Korean men act like spoiled little man babies most of the time.  This is due to the momming of them as a young kid.

Not all Korean men are like this but this isn't totally abnormal behavior for Korean men.  Maybe these women got sick of the bs and decided to date a person who isn't off boozing 1-4 nights a week or cheating on them.  Just a thought.

[DWAEDGIMORIGUKBAP]

'You aint in kansas anymore and your value judgements do not fit here - 101.'

Takes a while to get used to.

But honestly, people all have different pasts and desires and needs.

Every time I see what you described I just think 'meh good for him / her.'  If they find someone who makes them happy - be glad for them.  If they are both bringing something the other is looking for, then fair enough really. 

What does irk me however, is if they are 'lording it' around and acting like they're Mr / Mrs cool.  That does irk.

But, well not worth getting wound up over.

[woman-king]

In my opinion Korean women need to drop their fascination with western culture and western men and display the same amount of pride in their local men as they do in their local technology and motor industries. It is the only way to subdue these morons' delusions of grandeur.

I don't know if it's so much fascination or just Korean women getting frustrated with the actions of Korean men.  Jeju women are told to only marry men from Jeju.  It's kind of taboo to marry/date western men but Jeju Island has the highest divorce rate in Korea.  Let's take a look at some of the things that are normal male behavior in Korea.
1:  Drinking with your friends 1-4 nights a week.  This is very uncommon with waygooks who aren't boozers.
2:  Lack of life management skills. ie cooking, cleaning.  Most Korean men let mommy do everything for them.  Some won't even help with daily chores.
3:  Getting cheated on.  Women in Jeju know that  their husbands or bfs cheat on them but they are told that "He'll come back to you."  Most foreign men don't cheat on their gf/wife.
4:  Physical abuse:  Let's face it.  Some Korean men hit their wives or gfs.  Where I come from if you hit a women other men will beat your ass and then call the cops on you.  I once saw a young 20ish drunk Korean man beat on his mom after his gf dropped him off.
5:  General lack of social skills with opposite sex.  IMO I find the Korean men act like spoiled little man babies most of the time.  This is due to the momming of them as a young kid.

Not all Korean men are like this but this isn't totally abnormal behavior for Korean men.  Maybe these women got sick of the bs and decided to date a person who isn't off boozing 1-4 nights a week or cheating on them.  Just a thought.

I understand Korea has some high divorce and domestic abuse and alcoholism stats, and it's definitely a more patriarchal culture than the West, but I don't find this "wifebeating alcoholic" persona to be generally true of the younger Korean men I've met/known (ajosshis are a different story).  I dislike the way some Western men so dismissively and loudly villify all Korean men as some sort of weird "justification" for dating a Korean woman.

[madison79]

In my opinion Korean women need to drop their fascination with western culture and western men and display the same amount of pride in their local men as they do in their local technology and motor industries. It is the only way to subdue these morons' delusions of grandeur.

I don't know if it's so much fascination or just Korean women getting frustrated with the actions of Korean men.  Jeju women are told to only marry men from Jeju.  It's kind of taboo to marry/date western men but Jeju Island has the highest divorce rate in Korea.  Let's take a look at some of the things that are normal male behavior in Korea.
1:  Drinking with your friends 1-4 nights a week.  This is very uncommon with waygooks who aren't boozers.
2:  Lack of life management skills. ie cooking, cleaning.  Most Korean men let mommy do everything for them.  Some won't even help with daily chores.
3:  Getting cheated on.  Women in Jeju know that  their husbands or bfs cheat on them but they are told that "He'll come back to you."  Most foreign men don't cheat on their gf/wife.
4:  Physical abuse:  Let's face it.  Some Korean men hit their wives or gfs.  Where I come from if you hit a women other men will beat your ass and then call the cops on you.  I once saw a young 20ish drunk Korean man beat on his mom after his gf dropped him off.
5:  General lack of social skills with opposite sex.  IMO I find the Korean men act like spoiled little man babies most of the time.  This is due to the momming of them as a young kid.

Not all Korean men are like this but this isn't totally abnormal behavior for Korean men.  Maybe these women got sick of the bs and decided to date a person who isn't off boozing 1-4 nights a week or cheating on them.  Just a thought.

I understand Korea has some high divorce and domestic abuse and alcoholism stats, and it's definitely a more patriarchal culture than the West, but I don't find this "wifebeating alcoholic" persona to be generally true of the younger Korean men I've met/known (ajosshis are a different story).  I dislike the way some Western men so dismissively and loudly villify all Korean men as some sort of weird "justification" for dating a Korean woman.

I agree that I should have stated that the physical abuse isn't the norm here in Korea but it's still legal.  I wasn't using these as justifications for Korean women dating waygooks.  Merely pointing out cultural differences.

[Spongeblob]

Ok, I'm back.  Couldn't find my glasses but let's try again.  "Getting it off.  Her hairy chest."

Well, I'm openminded as long as she shaves occasionally should be all good to go.  Guess that's my final word on the issue sleep tight and goodnight.  Thanks OP for being a good sport.  :)

[pak yu man]

Haters gotta hate and douchebags gotta...douche

[madison79]

You're right.  Nothing wrong with going out a few times a week for some fun and being social but that's not I see most often.  Mostly, I see drunk 25-60 year olds wasted on a Monday night. 

Another thing to think about OP is that women don't care as much about looks as men do.  While they are important other things are more important to them.  I don't really see the point of caring why 2 people are dating or why this is so important to you.  Are you having a hard time meeting Korean women?  In your opinion are they settling for DB's?  Try dating women who are 27-32ish.  I find these women tend to care much more about other stuff than looks or prestige.  Cheers

[DWAEDGIMORIGUKBAP]

P.L.E.A.S.E.

'You're.'

Please, please, please, pretty please.

[Damien]

You are telling me this type of thing doesn't happen in other countries with foreigners? HAHA!

[confusedsafferinkorea]

Well perhaps Korean ladies date foreigners but they seldom end up marrying them, so stop worrying. (Can't for the life of me figure out why this sort of thing worries you in the first place). 

I am pretty ugly but I have a beautiful Filipino wife, it is not about looks it is about your heart.

[madison79]

P.L.E.A.S.E.

'You're.'

Please, please, please, pretty please.

I love how some people get upset about the littlest things.  I wish you guys played poker since your tilting would be so profitable for me.  One bad beat and I bet you would stack off so lite. 

[johnthegreek]

When I was young back in the UK a Chinese girl came to our school. Just about every guy in the school was in love with her. Looking back she wasn't attractive in fact she was overweight and had acne. Western men like femine looking women which Asians often are and Asian women like bigger Western men ie different to skinny Asian Guys. Its a match made in heaven. Why hate it so much?

[woman-king]

You are telling me this type of thing doesn't happen in other countries with foreigners? HAHA!

Yeah, a British accent is an instant draw for this American.   :)

However, if I actually dated guys based SOLELY on their English nationality that would be sort of weird.

[atarigangster]

I haven't encountered any "ugly" Western guys (I'm assuming we all just mean "white" when we say Western) who have a superiority complex simply because they've been with a few Korean women. I have encountered douche bag white guys, who were most likely douche bags at home as well as far as I can tell, who have simply moved from dating/sleeping with white women to Korean women based mostly on circumstance. There are guys like this in every nationality and country. They even made a tv show featuring them, it's called Jersey Shore.

But hey... If you've been striking out your whole life and come to a country where you're getting a little extra attention and manage to score with some beautiful women, then yeah, your ego will get a bit of a boost. I doubt though that this word turn an otherwise decent or good guy into a complete jerkoff. Those morons were the way they were long before coming to Korea and will continue to be like that long after.

I think some people here are missing the OP's point. From what I can see, it's not just any white guy/Korean woman couple that he's annoyed with. It's specifically the guys who act like playboys because they're getting some action/attention here. Still I think the OP is not seeing the whole picture (thus the content in my post).

[Damien]

As stated earlier, it is not always about the looks. I am a decent looking guy, but I am not the best thing around. Korean women tend to like me. Why? It is more about how I act.

I was raised to be a gentleman.  I open doors for women, let women go first, pick up things for people, I cook, I clean, help someone up, etc. I just caught an ajuma fallin over on the bus as I was writing this lol. My English co-teachers wish their men acted like me. They never mention my looks.

Yes, there are those that love the looks of western men. Everyone is different. I prefer the nordic style woman, but I like Asians, Africans, etc. I have stopped talking to a few women here cause they just wanted tue white guy on their arm.

I get annoyed at times with the "uggo" with the "hottie," but Ireally do not care. It is not my life. It is not hurting me.

Haters ganna hate, fakers ganna fake, and bakers ganna bake. That is life.

[johnthegreek]

I haven't encountered any "ugly" Western guys (I'm assuming we all just mean "white" when we say Western) who have a superiority complex simply because they've been with a few Korean women. I have encountered douche bag white guys, who were most likely douche bags at home as well as far as I can tell, who have simply moved from dating/sleeping with white women to Korean women based mostly on circumstance. There are guys like this in every nationality and country. They even made a tv show featuring them, it's called Jersey Shore.

But hey... If you've been striking out your whole life and come to a country where you're getting a little extra attention and manage to score with some beautiful women, then yeah, your ego will get a bit of a boost. I doubt though that this word turn an otherwise decent or good guy into a complete jerkoff. Those morons were the way they were long before coming to Korea and will continue to be like that long after.

I think some people here are missing the OP's point. From what I can see, it's not just any white guy/Korean woman couple that he's annoyed with. It's specifically the guys who act like playboys because they're getting some action/attention here. Still I think the OP is not seeing the whole picture (thus the content in my post).

How much more legitimate is it to be a Playboy and acting too cool for school with a cute girlfriend if your Goodlooking? As you grow up in life and get past your 20's Good looks won't get you the hot woman, a lot of other factors like personality and money honestly will. The issue is not that we are white the issue is that we are Teachers which is a respectable job in Korea with stable prospects even if we don't think it is. Combine that with the fantasy of leaving to go to America and your sexy dynamite on a stick.

[Spongeblob]

I'm back again but this time I have some honesty.

My wife (who passed away a few years ago) was a stunningly beautiful woman from a European/Asian blending.  I on the other hand am an ugly troll like creature who currently lives under a bridge somewhere in South Korea.  :) (Well, it's a little honest.)

Anyway when we were together it was wonderful and magical but every good looking or ugly guy who saw her would try to hit on her.  It made me jealous so I would sometimes overwhelm the room with my, let's just say, powerful persona (douchebag).  It took me awhile and a few years of maturity to suddenly realize that I wasn't the only douchebag in the room.  Hey, soon everywhere I looked all I could see were leftover douchebags so then I started to wonder what made me special.  My wife told me that I was hers.  She didn't need just any douchebag.  She needed me ... the greatest douchebag she had ever met ... period.  :D  We celebrated every month after that and sometimes my heart bleeds a bit remembering her.

[#basedcowboyshirt]

I read this post and all I saw was, "Attractive people (whom I will label 'douchebags') are getting attractive girlfriends. Clearly this is the fault of girls for being superficial and shallow. Most males here are far below my level of sophistication and worldliness, and they are just uncultured buffoons. I am far superior."

Come on. Don't be so bitter. And drop the misogynistic 'girls are shallow and ignorant for dating attractive people' thing. People can choose to date whomever they want, and it's nobody's business to make sweeping judgments and generalizations based on cosmetic things like body type.

Calling males 'douchebags' is arguably the equivilant of calling females 'skanks' or 'sluts.' And it really has no place on waygook.org.

[raider576]

Have people been called on doing the opposite?  A korean coworker accused "american men" with preferring small easily controlled korean women.  She asked why they do that (do they want a pet rather than a partner?) and if I have the same preferences.  My answer was that personally I see couples of all types but I judge myself to be short and of mid-level attractiveness so yeah I tend to date smaller normal girls anywhere I am.  But my personal goal is not a pet; If I met and idol and she loved me, I'd be quite happy aside from all of the public venom that would surely follow.