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Occupy Wall Street!
« on: October 12, 2011, 09:09:13 am »
Hello fellow waygooks,

Like many other Americans, I have been inspired by the ongoing protests all across the United States and am eager to join the movement! However, given that I'm all the way in Korea, I just don't know how to get involved. Any ideas? Any occupy wall street groups or forums here in seoul? wanna join me? let me know!

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Re: Occupy Wall Street!
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2011, 09:25:30 am »

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Re: Occupy Wall Street!
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2011, 08:11:37 pm »
An "Occupy Seoul" movement recently occurred this past Saturday: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/10/117_96760.html

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Re: Occupy Wall Street!
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2011, 08:22:50 pm »
Political actions by foreigners is illegal in Korea.  This includes protesting.

Be careful.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street!
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2011, 10:39:09 pm »
Political actions by foreigners is illegal in Korea.  This includes protesting.

Be careful.

I have to second this advice.  Whilst joining a protest might seem like a great idea, and a good way to express your opinion on an issue that you feel strongly about...it also breaches the terms and conditions of most visas.  So be careful...and know that it might lead to you being charged and deported.  If, in spite of these risks, you still think it's a great idea...then use Google to search for 'occupy Seoul' or 'occupy Yeouido'...I'm sure you'll find some information out there.

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Occupy Wallstreet is coming to the U.S. Embassy in Seoul.
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2011, 10:43:50 pm »
That's right boys and girls. A group of American's are planning to assemble a non-violent, peaceful demonstration at Gwanghwamun Square right across from the U.S. Embassy. If you think that the U.S. government should start paying more attention to their citizens and not just those who line their pockets, then you might be interested in coming out to show your support. More info on dates and times will become available after the proper permits from Seoul City Hall are acquired. Any nationality is welcome.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet is coming to the U.S. Embassy in Seoul.
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2011, 10:58:41 pm »
Not to be a Debbie Downer...but be careful boys and girls...protesting is against the conditions of our visas...and can lead to you being deported!  The good news about that...would be that you could then join the real Occupy Wall Street protests!

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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2011, 11:04:21 pm »
I'm a permanent resident, so they are stuck with me whether they like it or not. Where did you read that about deportation?  My understanding is that you can lose your job if you protest against the South Korean Government, not the U.S. Government, and not deportation, but fill me in.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet is coming to the U.S. Embassy in Seoul.
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2011, 11:16:32 pm »
Down to be a debbie downer... but a permit?

"Get the President on the phone!  If we don't change now, they'll start filing some papers against us!"

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet is coming to the U.S. Embassy in Seoul.
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2011, 11:18:15 pm »
If you don't have a permit from City Hall, you can be arrested. You just have to ask for one though.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet is coming to the U.S. Embassy in Seoul.
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2011, 08:37:18 am »
You will have no effect on the U.S. government. You will only succeed in making the Americans here look like idiots. Next to nobody here will be impressed with your selfaggrandizing plea for attention. Stay home.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet is coming to the U.S. Embassy in Seoul.
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2011, 08:41:42 am »
I'm a permanent resident, so they are stuck with me whether they like it or not. Where did you read that about deportation?  My understanding is that you can lose your job if you protest against the South Korean Government, not the U.S. Government, and not deportation, but fill me in.

Well...you'd be fine wouldn't you? 

I was being dramatic because it was late at night and I'd had a beverage...but in the cold light of day...I realise that you're correct and incorrect.  Any sort of protest can cost you your job if you're an E-2 Visa holder...what I really meant last night was that if an E-2 visa holder were to protest...they could have their visa revoked and lose their job.  It would then be very difficult to get a fresh visa, and if one was arrested for protesting (and let's not forget that picking up a minor arrest at a protest isn't the most difficult thing in the world...particularly if the organisors haven't arranged the correct permit) then you could kiss Korea good-bye, simply because you wouldn't be able to get an E-2 visa again.  This still doesn't apply to you though.

I guess that my overall point would be simply that as an E-2 visa holder...it's probably not worth protesting unless it's an issue that you'd feel like an arse for NOT protesting about.  Just suggesting a certain level of caution.

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet is coming to the U.S. Embassy in Seoul.
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2011, 08:58:22 am »
You will have no effect on the U.S. government. You will only succeed in making the Americans here look like idiots. Next to nobody here will be impressed with your selfaggrandizing plea for attention. Stay home.

Agreed. Why don't you do something productive with your time? Like dig a hole and fill it back in again? Cut your lawn with scissors? Or, pluck each hair out of your leg with a pair of tweezers? All those activities would be a much better use of your time.
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Re: Occupy Wallstreet is coming to the U.S. Embassy in Seoul.
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2011, 09:26:48 am »
Political activity by foreigners is illegal.  OP would be fine, I assume, since he's a permanent resident.  It seems that he's trying to recruit non-permanent residents (the majority on this board hold E-2 visas, and I think this law applies to F-2 visas, as well).

If you're a permanent resident and it's legal for you, go ahead.  Otherwise, watch out.
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Re: Occupy Wallstreet is coming to the U.S. Embassy in Seoul.
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2011, 10:42:37 am »
There are lots of things you can do from your desk. Spread the word to friends and family who are back home. Alert people to articles that are informative. Best possible outcome of all these protests? Mobilizing an entire voter population to actually get engaged politically.

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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2011, 11:34:08 am »
After doing further research regarding E-2 visa holders and Public School Teachers; the Constitution of the Republic of Korea guarantees freedom of speech and assembly, but unfortunately that won't stop Public School Teachers from getting fired or E-2 visa holders from potentially getting deported. Also, Public School teachers(and civil servants) in general are not allowed to protest about anything of a political nature (I thought it was just against the ROK government). So for most of you on this site (E-2 or Public School Teachers), I would advise that you not protest in Korea. I agree with the previous poster, try to get the word out back home. I'm surprised there have only been a couple of negative comments so far but they are nonetheless amusing :)

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet is coming to the U.S. Embassy in Seoul.
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2011, 11:35:33 am »
You will have no effect on the U.S. government. You will only succeed in making the Americans here look like idiots. Next to nobody here will be impressed with your selfaggrandizing plea for attention. Stay home.

I agree. This sounds like a bad idea. Not only will your protest have no effect here (Koreans are booming in capitalism... they see it as their economic saviour), but you will contribute yet another bad impression from foreigners to Korean society.  There is a good chance that your little shin dig will get publicized and add yet another sweeping generalization to their impression of us.

There are lots of things you can do from your desk. Spread the word to friends and family who are back home. Alert people to articles that are informative. Best possible outcome of all these protests? Mobilizing an entire voter population to actually get engaged politically.

I was going to suggest this but this wise guy beat me to it.  You can be much more effective behind a computer screen, advertising the issue to people whom it actually affects.  Right now, the East is not being affected by capitalism the same way the West is...  So get on facebook and start clicking "share" on all those oh so inspiring protest videos (complete with epic music to get the mood going) that are circulating around. 

And besides... you got a job and a good way of life here, so technically the economic problem isn't affecting you personally, either. 
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Re: Occupy Wallstreet is coming to the U.S. Embassy in Seoul.
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2011, 11:39:53 am »
OP, that's a great idea and very productive use of your time. Getting together with like-minded folks kindles our passions and reinforces our beliefs. There are long-term benefits to "protesting" which others may not see.

It's not easy getting out anywhere with a baby but we'll see if we can stroll by to say hi. Of course, I would never protest on an E-2 visa...just say hi, that's all :-).
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Re: Occupy Wallstreet is coming to the U.S. Embassy in Seoul.
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2011, 11:57:32 am »
Not only will your protest have no effect here (Koreans are booming in capitalism... they see it as their economic saviour), but you will contribute yet another bad impression from foreigners to Korean society.

It is a protest against the U.S. government, not the ROK, hence in front of the Embassy. You think exercising freedom of speech (something that Koreans are quite good at in that part of Seoul) is gonna make us look bad? A lot of you guys contribute to our "image" on the streets of Hongdae and Itaewon every weekend. ;) 

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Re: Occupy Wallstreet is coming to the U.S. Embassy in Seoul.
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2011, 12:00:47 pm »
Yes, I think it's the Seoul Metropolitan Police's #1 priority to break up a peaceful protest of a couple of dozen in front of the American Embassy, especially if they have a permit.  And immigration and the Seoul prosecutor's office really would love to go through all the paperwork and legal hoops of charging and deporting those in attendance, after sifting through their various visas to see if it's even possible.  Sure. 

When the Olympic Flame came through Seoul a few years ago on it's way to Beijing, lots of foreigners were out there protesting along with Koreans (Chinese and other Asians along with Westerners).  The violent ones were arrested, but out of all the people I knew who showed up with signs, none of them at any point were afraid of being charged and deported.  It's such a scare tactic people use to try to convince people to stay home.  Yes, being violent or being with violent people, or getting in the cops' faces is not a good idea.  If you're asked to leave, consider leaving.  But just showing up...doubtful.

Anyway, there was a protest in Seoul on Saturday (and, hey, no reports of E-2 visa holders being deported!), as there was around the world.  I think some people confuse peacefully protesting to wanting to tear down the system and hang every government official.  By far the majority of those involved with the Global Occupy movement just want accountability and responsibility in the financial sector and for governments to start investing in the citizens of the country instead of protecting the interests of a select few.  That's hardly anti-Capitalism or even anti-corporate.  It's pro-accountability.