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Offline Arsalan

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Important, please read.
« on: November 10, 2010, 04:36:26 pm »
Hello...  8)

So you may have noticed on Wed the 10th that the site went down for about an hour.  I had to perform a bit of an emergency upgrade.  Ram was tripled on the server, and so was bandwidth availability.

I must mention that it is imperative for people to click on the ads that are on the site.  Currently there is only one spot where I keep them, and I would like it to stay that way (to avoid cluttering the site).  We now have nearly 6000 users, and the cost of maintaining the site is getting close to the same price as financing a car.  Seeing that it is rather difficult to keep that trend going by myself, I would request people click on the ads regularly.  It's a couple of cents per click, but if everyone does it, then it shouldn't be an issue.  If you know others who use the site, please encourage them to click on ads to help support the site.  After all, it's all about keeping things running smoothly, and full of useful content for teachers.

Thanks everyone.

[MOD EDIT: I've stickied this topic - Dayle]
« Last Edit: November 10, 2010, 06:54:54 pm by Dayle »
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2010, 05:11:51 pm »
If you just click and close on the same ads, does it still give the site money?
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2010, 06:08:32 pm »
Will do - is there anything that can be done about the inappropriate ads though?  I keep seeing ones that really don't seem right for this site.  I'm no prude, but links to dating sexy women on an educators site just don't seem right
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2010, 08:40:20 pm »
I don't really like ads, which is why I block them.  If it's true the sexy ads are on here, that's even a better reason to block them (for work and personal life). I never knew ads existed on this site - I haven't seen a single ad for awhile since I've installed AdBlock Plus on Firefox on my personal computer and the school's computers.  Sorry, I will not disable the block for this site.

However, I believe in maintaining the function of this site.  Instead, is there a Paypal address so I can donate?  I think this will help build reliability for this site - every dollar here and there from a handful of people (in addition to the few who click on the ads) will bring further revenue because viewing ads are becoming yesterday, not just for me but for many others.  Who knows? If we get enough donors out there, this awesome site can be ad-free without even needing an ad-blocker. I don't mind chipping in 5-10 bucks.
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2010, 08:59:15 pm »
I would also be willing to send along some money to help the site. I have been using it for the past year at least, if not two (I can't remember when I signed up) and will be teaching in Korea for another two years yet. The materials I use are invaluable so I think the least I can do is contribute a bit of money for maintenance fees.

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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2010, 02:13:01 am »
Glad to hear the positive feedback.  I will check and see if/why dating ads show up.  You're right that such material is not appropriate for an educational site.  I will look at that tonight, and please do let me know if they are still showing up for you after that point.
*EDIT*  THIS IS DONE NOW, so it shouldn't show up anymore.

I also appreciate the paypal suggestion, and it's certainly an idea I will keep in mind.
*EDIT*  Ok, so I actually went ahead and put that into place after restrict the ad content.

It might also help (as someone else suggested) that I open up a section for employers to post jobs (with a monthly subscription, something small that will help) since I know very well, as the site grows more resources get used, and more bandwidth/server space will need to be bought.

I'm just really happy to see that something I started in 2006 is actually helpful to many people.

If you just click and close on the same ads, does it still give the site money?

Somewhat, mostly if you click on the different ads that appear, or even spacing it out over different times during day when using the site.  Although I shouldn't be mentioning this as it might upset them... 

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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2010, 06:29:22 am »
This is something that can be discussed via email, too (deutsch.brian at gmail.com), but I'd like to raise a few points.

* You won't get rich off Adsense.  My site brings in $1 a day, and with waygook.org having a small box text ad in the upper right corner, you'll get even less.  Better than nothing, I guess, but it's worth looking at other possibilities.

* Waygook.org can't control the ads that come up on Adsense: it's depends on the page's content and on your computer's location.  That said the administrator can block certain ads: Korean Cupid, "adult" video games, Muslim Singles, etc.

* All that said, be careful about trolling for clicks.  It violates Adsense's agreement, and with all the traffic we get, if there's a spike in earnings posts like this could terminate the agreement and cause you to lose the money you've earned.

* In emails and posts last year I said I was looking at other sponsorship opportunities, but unfortunately they fell through.  There's little money to be made writing about Korea: few people want to pay a fair price for advertising their services, and even fewer want to pay for the content we write.  We were looking at some options to create an expat-run, expat-funded ad service for the bigger blogs and sites, but it never materialized.  Besides, bringing in $5 a month for sticking a huge banner on your site is hardly worth it.

* It may be time to rethink having ads from schools and recruiters.  In the past I was against this because: (1) I wanted this site to be for teachers, and not to placate recruiters who may use information here to blacklist or cause trouble with current or future applicants, and (2) far too many Korea-based blogs and forums have job ads, and the advertisements have come to dominate the content. 

However, there is a good bit of money to be made hosting job ads.  What about building a separate page, or having a list of ads below the forum?  The amount of money you'd bring in with just a handful of ads a week would pay for what it costs to keep this site going.  And with fewer and fewer people using Dave's---the trolls, the negativity, the bad moderators, and the unreliable job ads---this might be an opportunity to bring in some traffic for them. 

I just hate seeing you have to pay for this all out of pocket, especially since you've been out of Korea for years.  It's grown into an excellent site, with thousands of views per day, and it should be financially rewarding for you, not a burden.
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2010, 06:36:09 am »
I also have been using this site for the past year and to be honest in all of my years teaching, using the information from this site, it has been probably the most exciting for my students.

I feel that a pay pal account and possibly a yearly donation drive would help give a lot of income back. I have to agree with Brian's comments on "adsense" I have never been a huge fan of it. I feel that there are so many generous people on this site that would gladly kick out a few chon-wons to help you out rather than have banners everywhere or have this turn into a recruiter haven.

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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2010, 07:00:53 am »
Fair points all around.

Although I'm aware that adsense does very little, it still does put a small dent in the costs if people click regularly.  I don't plan on placing ads everywhere as I mentioned earlier, just the one up top, and if/when the site gets redesigned, maybe one at the very bottom as well.  It also seems that adsense has added content restrictions for their ads, which I've activated earlier today.  You're correct about trolling for clicks upsetting them, so I avoid it, but I had to bring it to people's attention.

I can set something up as a separate page for third party recruiters/schools, although I don't plan on implementing that yet until the redesign.  Simply because I want an unified design for everything, and will be considering the relations between those features and others, as well as database relations.  I care about it being a "smooth" experience, while still secure.

I don't really mind that some money is coming out of my pockets, I think it was all well worth it for what the site offers.  It's mostly about sustainability, and that a better way of covering the operational costs need to be found, because it's simply not realistic at this point for me to ignore it.  It won't be too difficult, just a bit of work and some creativity should bring us to were we need to be.

We should rethink about the sponsorship idea in any case, once I have things the way I would like in terms of site design, and functionality.
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2010, 03:23:40 pm »
I have money already on my paypal account (from a refund I got a while back) but have never actually used paypal to pay for anything. Despite having a usable amount on there, when I go to donate money it requires my credit card info. Is this normal? Or is it just going to be charged to my credit card instead? Anyone know?

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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2010, 03:33:52 pm »
I have money already on my paypal account (from a refund I got a while back) but have never actually used paypal to pay for anything. Despite having a usable amount on there, when I go to donate money it requires my credit card info. Is this normal? Or is it just going to be charged to my credit card instead? Anyone know?

i think this is because your paypal account is currently linked to your credit card for purchases/donations.  i believe the link to change that is by logging into paypal --> "my account" --> "profile" --> "add or edit credit card." remove it.
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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2010, 08:25:17 pm »
seems like there could be a way to use torrents or all the free file sharing like megadownload or 4shared to use way less bandwidth on the server
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2010, 01:17:02 am »
Hi Hank.  Actually torrents wouldn't be a bad idea, but it would essentially require the entire site's file/attachment functionality to be changed.  It would only be realistic if the server kept seeds of all the files, otherwise those files would get "lost" in the sense that if people stopped sharing it on their personal systems, causing more problems.  So even with torrents, there's still bandwidth consumption.

Plus, I would hate to get mixed in somehow with piracy.  I would have to start my own "torrent" site as opposed to using others available out there.  Unless there's an educational one open to the public.
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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2010, 01:27:33 am »
I have money already on my paypal account (from a refund I got a while back) but have never actually used paypal to pay for anything. Despite having a usable amount on there, when I go to donate money it requires my credit card info. Is this normal? Or is it just going to be charged to my credit card instead? Anyone know?

I think it requires that info, or at least a bank account.  If not, as daveyc18 mentioned, you can probably remove it.

I know whenever I've attempted to buy anything using paypal, it automatically goes to my bankaccount to withdraw the funds, so I always manually change it to credit card.  I've had refunds before, and it took what was credited to me off first, and charged the rest to the credit card.  I don't think it has changed, but maybe someone else knows more about this?
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2010, 07:37:49 am »
Will you be posting updates as people donate?  I would be interested to see how many people are willing to support this site.
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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2010, 07:45:00 am »
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Will you be posting updates as people donate?  I would be interested to see how many people are willing to support this site.

Thought of it, but unsure if people want that info posted.  There have been a few so far, but I think not everyone has gotten the request just yet.  Will let you all know if it went well during the initial "run".

I'm hoping mostly people will donate a small amount here and there, every so often.
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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2010, 07:59:54 am »
Id would so be willing to donate money. But also make allowances for ppl who dont have visa or master cards. Maybe we could deposit the cash into the webmaster's account?

I can't buy anything online with my maestro card  :(

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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2010, 08:34:06 am »
I'd love to help in any way I can.  :D

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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2010, 08:46:53 am »
 :laugh: ;) OK just donated! Keep up the good work!

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« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2010, 08:48:35 am »
Me too.
It'd be awesome to get some confirmation that it's been received somehow.
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