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Re: international poll result: Korean men 2nd most likely to cheat on spouses
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2011, 01:22:14 pm »
taken from: http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2011/12/08/2011120801492.html

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Korea has the world's second highest proportion of men who cheat on their partners, a survey found.

In the poll of 29,000 men and women from 36 countries by Harris Interactive for condom maker Durex, 34 percent of Korean men answered that they had been unfaithful to their partners, second only to Thailand's 54 percent.

Malaysia ranked third with 33 percent, followed by Russia (32 percent) and Hong Kong (29 percent).

The country with the most unfaithful women was Nigeria, with a whopping 62 percent of women saying they had had an affair. Thailand came second with 59 percent, followed by Malaysia (39 percent), Russia (33 percent) and Singapore (19 percent).


I'm surprised that Thai guys are number 1 in that category. But then again, I'm not sure if they're really guys or girls for that matter....

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Re: international poll result: Korean men 2nd most likely to cheat on spouses
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2011, 01:29:59 pm »
This appears to fit into some of the "room salon" stories that I've heard.

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Re: international poll result: Korean men 2nd most likely to cheat on spouses
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2011, 01:41:14 pm »
Thailand is absolutely destroying the competition.

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Re: international poll result: Korean men 2nd most likely to cheat on spouses
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2011, 01:56:15 pm »
Self-report surveys always intrigue me. It seems to offensive to make a conversation class out of it, though I really would be interested in hearing my co-workers thoughts on the issue.
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Re: international poll result: Korean men 2nd most likely to cheat on spouses
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2011, 02:06:36 pm »
From what I've seen and heard in Korea, once you've made the babies, sex is something you do for fun outside of marriage.
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Re: international poll result: Korean men 2nd most likely to cheat on spouses
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2011, 02:15:33 pm »
From what I've seen and heard in Korea, once you've made the babies, sex is something you do for fun outside of marriage.


I want to permanently emigrate to Korean then..... :D

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Re: international poll result: Korean men 2nd most likely to cheat on spouses
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2011, 02:21:43 pm »
No country is perfect, but there seem to be a lot of unhappy Korean couples here. Most Koreans I know in the mid-30's and 40's don't seem happy at all with their marriage. At first, I thought just the women were unhappy, but then I got to know some married Korean men. One of my friends loves his children, but never has anything good to say about his wife outside the fact she is pretty. What is all this stemming from? I'm not saying every Korean has a bad marriage, but I have yet to meet a happily married Korean over the age of 25.
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Re: international poll result: Korean men 2nd most likely to cheat on spouses
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2011, 02:25:56 pm »
Self-report surveys always intrigue me. It seems to offensive to make a conversation class out of it, though I really would be interested in hearing my co-workers thoughts on the issue.

I wish this was around last year when I had the most anti-Western adult class ever. (Maybe not, but every chance they got they bashed the West)

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Re: international poll result: Korean men 2nd most likely to cheat on spouses
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2011, 02:38:20 pm »
i think has to do with how readily available "room salons", "am-mas" etc are, combined with 희식 (hwe shik, drinking w/ your boss and coworkers after work). i know of people that are practically forced to go to room salons cuz their boss wants to go with them (theyre not teachers). of course the "happy ending" part voluntary, but the companies pay for it all.

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Re: international poll result: Korean men 2nd most likely to cheat on spouses
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2011, 02:51:31 pm »
Well, it's only negative if you place a high value on monogamy.  As another poster has stated, Koreans view marital sex differently than Westerners (I should say Anglo-Saxon, as most Europeans also have a different approach).  Marriage here is a business contract more than anything, something to assure shared wealth and children.  Just look at the weddings here.  In and out in under an hour.  Sex doesn't seem to be that integral to the relationship, at least besides procreation.  I think that's where the whole "There's no gay people in Korea" thing comes from.  You can marry a girl, get a nice apartment, pump out some grandkids and then do whatever you like on the side like the rest of guys.  No need to make a big deal about it.  Same goes for the ladies, most women have temp boyfriends while their proper guy is off doing military service (and visiting houses of ill repute himself).  It's all understood, hush hush, mind your own business, what you don't know won't hurt you, kind of stuff.  Again, I don't think it's viewed as negatively here as long as you're discreet, so it's not an insult to Koreans.  I guess things are changing now.  Younger Koreans seem to be obsessed with ballads and extremely emotional love stories and whatnot.  Maybe it's a reaction to the older ways of doing things. 

I think people who complain that others are being negative about Korea are the ones guilty of bringing their own cultural bias into the subject to begin with.  You assume monogamy is the preferred norm and that straying from that is wrong.  In fact, you're the one judging Korean culture because instead of looking at why they might act differently here you deny their behaviour because you deem it to be unnatural. 

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Re: international poll result: Korean men 2nd most likely to cheat on spouses
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2011, 03:31:24 pm »
Well, it's only negative if you place a high value on monogamy.  As another poster has stated, Koreans view marital sex differently than Westerners (I should say Anglo-Saxon, as most Europeans also have a different approach).  Marriage here is a business contract more than anything, something to assure shared wealth and children.  Just look at the weddings here.  In and out in under an hour.  Sex doesn't seem to be that integral to the relationship, at least besides procreation.  I think that's where the whole "There's no gay people in Korea" thing comes from.  You can marry a girl, get a nice apartment, pump out some grandkids and then do whatever you like on the side like the rest of guys.  No need to make a big deal about it.  Same goes for the ladies, most women have temp boyfriends while their proper guy is off doing military service (and visiting houses of ill repute himself).  It's all understood, hush hush, mind your own business, what you don't know won't hurt you, kind of stuff.  Again, I don't think it's viewed as negatively here as long as you're discreet, so it's not an insult to Koreans.  I guess things are changing now.  Younger Koreans seem to be obsessed with ballads and extremely emotional love stories and whatnot.  Maybe it's a reaction to the older ways of doing things. 

I think people who complain that others are being negative about Korea are the ones guilty of bringing their own cultural bias into the subject to begin with.  You assume monogamy is the preferred norm and that straying from that is wrong.  In fact, you're the one judging Korean culture because instead of looking at why they might act differently here you deny their behaviour because you deem it to be unnatural.

This is an interesting take on this.  I find the surveys and article interesting and that doesn't necessarily mean that I now believe Thais are like, terrible people.  As you said, different cultures will place a different level of value on monogamy and on finding satisfaction in long-term monogamous relationships.  I think the understanding of marriage in Korean culture among older people is indeed different and on one hand, if everyone understands that after the kids come along all bets are off then maybe we shouldn't be so quick to assume that everyone is automatically miserable in that equation.

The thing that does concern me about how this all works here is the necessity of discretion, which sweeps all of this under the rug which can be a major health hazard. 

And yes, when Koreans say "there are no gay people in Korea" I don't think they are necessarily trying to say that sexual activity between the same gender never occurs here, but more that people who actively pursue same-sex relationships exclusively doesn't happen much because, in Korean society, if you're doing your job of marrying and raising a family, what you may do with your male friends at a jimjilbang isn't really anyone's business.  Just keep it discreet.  Again, I get that this is pretty implicitly understood by Koreans in their own cultural context, and looks different to them than it does to a foreign third-party . . .  but that said I'd have to agree with some other posters that many Koreans in their 30s and older seem deeply unhappy in their marriages and to me, it appears that a lot of the infidelity is a product of this.  I agree, though, that we should be careful when making assumptions about things like this and try to look at it from a more "insider" perspective.

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Re: international poll result: Korean men 2nd most likely to cheat on spouses
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2011, 09:20:00 am »
I guess that just makes Korean men and Thai men more honest.

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Re: international poll result: Korean men 2nd most likely to cheat on spouses
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2011, 10:48:21 am »
Well, it's only negative if you place a high value on monogamy. Koreans view marital sex differently than Westerners. 

They certainly do; adultery is illegal here.

I think people who complain that others are being negative about Korea are the ones guilty of bringing their own cultural bias into the subject to begin with.  You assume monogamy is the preferred norm and that straying from that is wrong.  In fact, you're the one judging Korean culture because instead of looking at why they might act differently here you deny their behaviour because you deem it to be unnatural.

I'm quite happy to be culturally biased towards thinking a loving, sexually active monogamous marriage is preferable to a sexless marriage which is supplemented with casual affairs and the sex trade.

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Re: international poll result: Korean men 2nd most likely to cheat on spouses
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2011, 11:20:39 am »
I'm quite happy to be culturally biased towards thinking a loving, sexually active monogamous marriage is preferable to a sexless marriage which is supplemented with casual affairs and the sex trade.

Yeah… I don't think there's any way in which this can be spun into something neutral by playing the 'cultural differences' card. It's pretty much a scumbag thing to cheat on your wife… there's really no other way to put it. Especially with the whole STD thing… but I guess if you're not having sex with your wife and are only using hookers/strangers, then at least you're not ruining her life too… it's still awful, though.

Even though it is technically illegal, it's still pretty socially acceptable as far as I can tell. My old principal used to joke about being 'married but available'… and the whole gang of guys used to think it was hilarious, while the women sort of rolled their eyes in a 'men will be men' sort of way.
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Re: international poll result: Korean men 2nd most likely to cheat on spouses
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What I've read indicates a lower rate of STDs in Korea.

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Re: international poll result: Korean men 2nd most likely to cheat on spouses
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2011, 09:30:48 am »
I think people who complain that others are being negative about Korea are the ones guilty of bringing their own cultural bias into the subject to begin with.  You assume monogamy is the preferred norm and that straying from that is wrong.  In fact, you're the one judging Korean culture because instead of looking at why they might act differently here you deny their behaviour because you deem it to be unnatural.

I'm quite happy to be culturally biased towards thinking a loving, sexually active monogamous marriage is preferable to a sexless marriage which is supplemented with casual affairs and the sex trade.

The opposite of "monogomy" is not necessarily "casual affairs and the sex trade."  Believe it or not, there are couples that have happy sex lives and also have partners outside of their marriage....with their spouse's consent.  This is still a major taboo, so people rarely talk about it.  But it happens.


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Re: international poll result: Korean men 2nd most likely to cheat on spouses
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2011, 10:05:50 am »
I think people who complain that others are being negative about Korea are the ones guilty of bringing their own cultural bias into the subject to begin with.  You assume monogamy is the preferred norm and that straying from that is wrong.  In fact, you're the one judging Korean culture because instead of looking at why they might act differently here you deny their behaviour because you deem it to be unnatural.

I'm quite happy to be culturally biased towards thinking a loving, sexually active monogamous marriage is preferable to a sexless marriage which is supplemented with casual affairs and the sex trade.

The opposite of "monogomy" is not necessarily "casual affairs and the sex trade."  Believe it or not, there are couples that have happy sex lives and also have partners outside of their marriage....with their spouse's consent.  This is still a major taboo, so people rarely talk about it.  But it happens.

I'm not that sheltered, my friend. I'm sure there are people who make open relationships work for themselves (the actress Tilda Swinton lives with two men who are both romantic/sexual partners. Apparently she's very happy with the arrangement. I haven't read any interviews with either of the two men...). How many Korean couples are happy with, and open (with each other if not other people) about supplementing or replacing the sex in their marriage with third parties? Not many, I'd imagine - although I'm sure they exist.

I was more taking issue with Orangeman's vision of Korea as a sexually-liberated Shangri-la where people are free to discreetly get on with whatever works for them. I don't buy it - there are Korean women in prison for having consensual sex outside of marriage, gay Koreans have to enter into marriage to satisfy their parents, women in the public eye can have their lives destroyed if video emerges of them having sex with their partners, etc.

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Re: international poll result: Korean men 2nd most likely to cheat on spouses
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2011, 10:41:38 am »
I think people who complain that others are being negative about Korea are the ones guilty of bringing their own cultural bias into the subject to begin with.  You assume monogamy is the preferred norm and that straying from that is wrong.  In fact, you're the one judging Korean culture because instead of looking at why they might act differently here you deny their behaviour because you deem it to be unnatural.

I'm quite happy to be culturally biased towards thinking a loving, sexually active monogamous marriage is preferable to a sexless marriage which is supplemented with casual affairs and the sex trade.

The opposite of "monogomy" is not necessarily "casual affairs and the sex trade."  Believe it or not, there are couples that have happy sex lives and also have partners outside of their marriage....with their spouse's consent.  This is still a major taboo, so people rarely talk about it.  But it happens.

I'm not that sheltered, my friend. I'm sure there are people who make open relationships work for themselves (the actress Tilda Swinton lives with two men who are both romantic/sexual partners. Apparently she's very happy with the arrangement. I haven't read any interviews with either of the two men...). How many Korean couples are happy with, and open (with each other if not other people) about supplementing or replacing the sex in their marriage with third parties? Not many, I'd imagine - although I'm sure they exist.

I was more taking issue with Orangeman's vision of Korea as a sexually-liberated Shangri-la where people are free to discreetly get on with whatever works for them. I don't buy it - there are Korean women in prison for having consensual sex outside of marriage, gay Koreans have to enter into marriage to satisfy their parents, women in the public eye can have their lives destroyed if video emerges of them having sex with their partners, etc.

I actually agree overall with your perspective--I certainly prefer a culture where mutually satisfying monogamous long-term relationships are the general expectation, and if you're going to go outside of that in a polyamorous situation such as Tilda Swanson's, you're expected to negotiate it with the utmost honesty and openness and respect.  Cheating behind someone's back in the West is considered low and sh*tty and unethical to a much greater degree than it seems to be in Korea--even though I think you're right, it still leads to a lot of unhappiness in Korean marriages.  Cheating happens in the West too of course, but the social stigma against it is much stronger and that's a particular Western ethic I can appreciate.  It can, beyond all the emotional consequences, spread potentially fatal disease to innocent parties and that's not something to be taken lightly, ever.

But I think Orangeman was trying to say that people who automatically criticize threads like this for being "anti-Korea" may not be as open-minded as they think they are.

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Re: international poll result: Korean men 2nd most likely to cheat on spouses
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2011, 02:58:31 pm »
At least this survey seems to be tied to a condom company, so those who are cheating might also be practicing safe sex.  :P
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