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Re: Drive-by boob grab. Can I move?
« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2012, 05:14:13 pm »
I'm not sure about in Korea but I know in Canada (and so, I'm assuming, some states) that carrying your keys in your hands like that isn't covered by self-defense (since its not a equivalent use of force unless they've also struck/implied they will strike you with a weapon).

I'll try and look up the specific case we studied about it. It certainly enraged the self-defense student part of the class.
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Re: Drive-by boob grab. Can I move?
« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2012, 09:02:20 pm »
I'm not sure about in Korea but I know in Canada (and so, I'm assuming, some states) that carrying your keys in your hands like that isn't covered by self-defense (since its not a equivalent use of force unless they've also struck/implied they will strike you with a weapon).

I'll try and look up the specific case we studied about it. It certainly enraged the self-defense student part of the class.

Considering the fact that you can kill someone with a handgun out of self-defense in the States, I would be very surprised to see specific laws on the books prohibiting someone from having keys between their fingers when they punched someone who tried to assault them . . . but I would have to check also, because self-defense laws are often surprisingly specific.

With regards to Korea, there are some risks you have to take and I'd rather pay blood money for bloodying someone's face than be raped or worse myself.  It's good to be aware of the laws regarding this kind of thing, but all consequences of all choices need to be considered.  The thing with keys, too, unlike pepper spray, is that they're obviously legal to own and could only potentially get you into trouble if you did serious damage to someone with them, whereas I don't want to be carrying around a piece of illegal contraband in my purse all the time like the wrong kind of pepper spray.

OP and others, what about personal alarms?  I don't think my cell phone has one, any idea where one could pick one up here in Korea?

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Re: Drive-by boob grab. Can I move?
« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2012, 09:39:24 pm »
I totally agree that self-defense is more of a concern than the legal trouble you might face for key-clawing someone. Absolutely. Just note that holding them in your hand as a weapon has its drawbacks as well. Overreacting when startled being the most obvious, though doing so will also destroy your grounds for self-defense -- provided you're walking around like Wolverine just waiting for a chance to use them. That's why those weird cat things, rape whistles, and the cell phone alarms (especially the ones that yell blare out 'help/emergency') would be what I'd recommend.

Its terrible that both tasers and pepper spray are strictly controlled within Korea, on the self-defense front. While keys may be preferable because you'll have them ready and won't need to dig around in an emergency situation, they're easy to notice and can be easily turned on you should any motivated attacker crush your hand. (As morbid as that sounded, it stems from a class about rape myths, not from watching B-list action movies).

Personal safety should always be paramount. Just make sure you're being smart while being safe.
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Re: Drive-by boob grab. Can I move?
« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2012, 04:31:50 am »
Brutal...I'm really sorry to hear, and I hope you can return to your normal life soon!

Unfortunately changing apartments is an uphill battle...I tried to change apartments because of massive mold issues and it's proven to be such a hassle that we abandoned the idea.

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Re: Drive-by boob grab. Can I move?
« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2012, 12:23:32 pm »
I wouldn't get too upset about it (please don't take that the wrong way - I have a pretty good understanding of how unsafe you feel!). From what it sounds like, you were opportunistically felt up by a young man with a grossly distorted view of (western?) women, and how to treat/relate with women in general. Perhaps the best thing you could do is introduce yourself to your Korean neighbours; knock on the door, say hello and give them a small gift of some sort. That will a) make you feel more secure and less isolated and b) ensure that they're aware you're there, and not just 'the westerner next door'. Remember, Koreans are by and large stupendously friendly, and socially much less tolerant of deviant behaviour. If they think you're in trouble, they will help you - particularly if you introduce yourself and become known as 'that lovely young foreign lady next door'. Strength in numbers and all that.

Also, I've had numerous people knock at my door at all hours of the night, mostly mistaking me for the landlady next door. I don't think that's unique, and has never been more than a nuisance (it also helps that Koreans are intimidated by tall, large, hairy men). Obviously, make sure you check who's there before you open the door, but also be aware that random door knocking is likely to be alcohol-induced and and/or accidental.

After all that, if you're sure someone is following you, then by all means stamp your feet until you are listened to!

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Re: Drive-by boob grab. Can I move?
« Reply #45 on: February 08, 2012, 12:53:51 pm »
In an attack from behind, I wonder if the Miss Congeniality trick is effective.

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Re: Drive-by boob grab. Can I move?
« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2012, 03:27:29 pm »
Be vigilant, be aware of your surroundings and like Keuka said, vary your routine - this should throw any would be attacker off. BTW - ur sister sounds awesome sending u pepper spray inside and oatmeal box !!!!! Keep safe.

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Re: Drive-by boob grab. Can I move?
« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2012, 03:57:30 pm »
reading this post, i got scared and went on gmarket to see if i really can't get pepper spray...

Result: they sell pepper spray on gmarket. apparently they're not illegal.
if you type in pepper spray you'll get a small list of foreign-made pepper sprays.. but they're expensive.
type in 호신용품 (self-defense items) you'll get a variety of sprays and other things like alarms that will help you get away.

hope this helps. i think i'm going to get myself one too.

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Re: Drive-by boob grab. Can I move?
« Reply #48 on: February 08, 2012, 03:59:29 pm »
Don't move apartments.

Learn Tae Kwon Do.

I'm sorry to hear it happened, but most likely it won't happen again.

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Re: Drive-by boob grab. Can I move?
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2012, 02:57:07 pm »
You poor thing. That's a terrible thing to happen! Poor you...  :(