Have the requirements to be considered a native speaker changed?

[ytuque]

This came from a job posting for Yeungnam University Law School:

Native English Speakers including those from the U.S., Canada, Australia, Philippines, or England are welcome to apply.

[bobrocket]

Im guessing Philippinos can't get an E2 but if their qualified and have a resident visa why not?

[ytuque]

It refers to Filipinos as native speakers.  There is a requirement to be from one of seven countries to be a native speaker in Korea or has that changed?

[Frozencat99]

English is one of two official languages of the Philippines. I'm guessing, if anything has changed, it's that you have to be from one of eight countries.

<Edit: Actually, that was a pretty absent-minded guess. Several countries have English as an official language and aren't really on the list of seven. Herp derp ignore that. I wouldn't be surprised about Filipino hiring though... my best students have online Filipino tutors instead of hagwon classes.>

[bobrocket]

I thought the 7 country thing was who was elligble for an E visa. I think NET is just a common term, same as KET. You'll probaly find they would just be called an English teacher rather than the NET but from what I understand, to be an English teacher outside the 7 countries you need a degree in English but I don't really know any facts about this, just Internet reading and opinion. 

[Squire]

No mention of the other countries in the UK, Ireland and NZ I see.

They probably cottoned on to the fact most South Africans here speak English as a second language

[Jozigirl]

No mention of the other countries in the UK, Ireland and NZ I see.

They probably cottoned on to the fact most South Africans here speak English as a second language

I don't see how this is relevant.  Although many South Africans here do speak English as their second language, most of us are completely bilingual and are educated in English regardless of our mother tongue.

OP, some ad postings only list the countries from which the majority of teachers (at least, their idea of it) originate. 

[CDW]

This came from a job posting for Yeungnam University Law School:

Native English Speakers including those from the U.S., Canada, Australia, Philippines, or England are welcome to apply.

You don't need an e-2 visa (foreign language teaching visa) if you get hired by a university. You need an e-1 visa (a visa for professors). So the rules are different.

[bobrocket]

This came from a job posting for Yeungnam University Law School:

Native English Speakers including those from the U.S., Canada, Australia, Philippines, or England are welcome to apply.

You don't need an e-2 visa (foreign language teaching visa) if you get hired by a university. You need an e-1 visa (a visa for professors). So the rules are different.

Do you have to be on an E visa? What about an F visa?

[CDW]

This came from a job posting for Yeungnam University Law School:

Native English Speakers including those from the U.S., Canada, Australia, Philippines, or England are welcome to apply.

You don't need an e-2 visa (foreign language teaching visa) if you get hired by a university. You need an e-1 visa (a visa for professors). So the rules are different.

Do you have to be on an E visa? What about an F visa?

You need an E-1 visa. I'm sure an F visa would also suffice (since it allows you to do almost any job in Korea).

[ytuque]

This came from a job posting for Yeungnam University Law School:

Native English Speakers including those from the U.S., Canada, Australia, Philippines, or England are welcome to apply.

You don't need an e-2 visa (foreign language teaching visa) if you get hired by a university. You need an e-1 visa (a visa for professors). So the rules are different.

True, the rules are different for an E1, but I have not seen Filipinos referred to as native speakers previously.  I know many people from the Philippines since I am from California, and very few are anywhere close to having native fluency.

[justanotherwaygook]

No mention of the other countries in the UK, Ireland and NZ I see.

They probably cottoned on to the fact most South Africans here speak English as a second language

I don't see how this is relevant.  Although many South Africans here do speak English as their second language, most of us are completely bilingual and are educated in English regardless of our mother tongue.

OP, some ad postings only list the countries from which the majority of teachers (at least, their idea of it) originate.

Majority of South Africans=/=Native Speaker.  It's simple.

I've known people from plenty of countries who speak great English.  Scandinavian countries, Germany, and Belgium in particular come to mind.  Let us not forget Singapore or Malaysia.  What about India?

And why not Jamaica, The Cook Islands, Trinidad and Tobago, Bermuda, Belize etc.?

[confusedsafferinkorea]

I know many people from the Philippines since I am from California, and very few are anywhere close to having native fluency.


CDW... you obviously haven't been to the Philippines itself then to make a statement like that. I have travelled there extensively and met people from all social levels and the vast majority of them speak as good as, if not better English than a lot of 'native speakers' I have known or heard.

[gayageum]

Define native speaker.

[bobrocket]

I know many people from the Philippines since I am from California, and very few are anywhere close to having native fluency.


CDW... you obviously haven't been to the Philippines itself then to make a statement like that. I have travelled there extensively and met people from all social levels and the vast majority of them speak as good as, if not better English than a lot of 'native speakers' I have known or heard.

I don't know many Phillipino's but on a course I'm taking there are lots, most seem fluent in English.

I've known people from plenty of countries who speak great English.  Scandinavian countries, Germany, and Belgium in particular come to mind.  Let us not forget Singapore or Malaysia.  What about India?

And why not Jamaica, The Cook Islands, Trinidad and Tobago, Bermuda, Belize etc.?

I'm sure anyone from any country could work as an English teacher in Korea with the right credentials (and a work/resident visa)

[Jozigirl]

No mention of the other countries in the UK, Ireland and NZ I see.

They probably cottoned on to the fact most South Africans here speak English as a second language

I don't see how this is relevant.  Although many South Africans here do speak English as their second language, most of us are completely bilingual and are educated in English regardless of our mother tongue.

OP, some ad postings only list the countries from which the majority of teachers (at least, their idea of it) originate.

Majority of South Africans=/=Native Speaker.  It's simple.

I've known people from plenty of countries who speak great English.  Scandinavian countries, Germany, and Belgium in particular come to mind.  Let us not forget Singapore or Malaysia.  What about India?

And why not Jamaica, The Cook Islands, Trinidad and Tobago, Bermuda, Belize etc.?

Actually, that's an oversimplification.  There's a big difference between people who speak a language well as a foreign language (your first three examples in Europe are an example of this) and those who are raised as bilinguals from the start.  Many South Africans use both English and another language at home but are educated in and surrounded by English daily.  They are therefore bilingual and both languages are usually pretty equal.  That's very different to some of the examples that you're citing.

[Jrong]

CDW... you obviously haven't been to the Philippines itself then to make a statement like that. I have travelled there extensively and met people from all social levels and the vast majority of them speak as good as, if not better English than a lot of 'native speakers' I have known or heard.

Well, that statement's about as sensationalist as something out of Fox News or Huffpost. :)

While I would think that most Filipinos living in big cities would speak English almost as or as fluently as speakers in other countries -- it's the pronunciation that's a little strange. The hard "rrrrr's". If you learn to speak English like your average Filipino then you'll be learning the "language of the ghetto", not "the language of prosperity".

;)

[Squire]

Actually, that's an oversimplification.  There's a big difference between people who speak a language well as a foreign language (your first three examples in Europe are an example of this) and those who are raised as bilinguals from the start.  Many South Africans use both English and another language at home but are educated in and surrounded by English daily.  They are therefore bilingual and both languages are usually pretty equal.  That's very different to some of the examples that you're citing.

In that case how about India? They're educated in English too.

I do believe that South Africans are the next best thing to the other native countries but it does seem slightly surprising that the Korean government holds them to an equal status as the other countries for English use.

I started this so I'll add that I don't consider myself to be better than the average SA teacher here at what we do (and may even be worse than average)

[confusedsafferinkorea]

If you learn to speak English like your average Filipino then you'll be learning the "language of the ghetto", not "the language of prosperity".

Jrong, care to expand on that?

[Jrong]

If you learn to speak English like your average Filipino then you'll be learning the "language of the ghetto", not "the language of prosperity".

Jrong, care to expand on that?

I said it in jest, amigo.