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Offline koreantexan

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High school experience
« on: February 11, 2012, 10:13:08 am »
Hello! I'm moving to South Korea next week! I still do not know my placement. I'm not sure if I will be placed in high school or not, but I may since I have a Masters and I was a former professor; but you never know!

Everyone I've talked to has taught or teaches elementary or middle school. What is teaching high school like? Is it as much fun as the lower levels?

Thanks for your help!

 Chris

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Re: High school experience
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2012, 10:28:18 am »
First of all, there are generally two types of HSs, academic and vocational / technical. Don't expect much meaningful teaching to happen at the latter, and at the former you can expect them to have more important priorities than conversational English, though that *may* change with the incoming NEAT.

Forget about treating them like adults and expect some very immature behaviour from time to time. Also, at most HSs the abilities of most of the students will be way below what their textbooks would indicate. The vast majority of Korean English teachers still use the grammar-translation method and this is what students are accustomed to. One (probably ungraded) lesson with you a week is gong to do little to break them out of this mould. You may be able to make some very meaningful progress with evening classes or doing extra work with the keenest students on the side.

That said, I like teaching HS very much indeed. I also teach MS roughly 1/3 of the time and while there's more  room for improvement there, there's also a lot more childish nonsense and it usually takes a lot more energy. But in any event, lessons usually take a great deal of preparation and you'll have to find a lot more material and make a lot more material than what the government curriculum provides.

You should also be warned that at about 50% of technical / vocational HSs, or with about 50% of such classes, "real" teaching is impossible and one has to find a way to go through the unfulfilling motions - games, videos, and puzzles. On the other side of the spectrum, there are some elite academic HSs where you could do a lot of really cool teaching were the students not so tired and academically focused on other things besides communicative English.

 

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Re: High school experience
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2012, 02:04:54 pm »
Every workplace has it's ups and downs, as you are most likely already aware of being that you were a professor.  I can't speak for others' experiences or for other schools, but I can tell you about mine.

I work at an all-boy's tech school.  It's not always easy, but I still feel like there are more pros than cons.  The cons of my job primarily originate with my co-teacher.  It's taken me 2.5 years to stop giving her the benefit of the doubt and come to the conclusion that she's absolute crap.  She doesn't care about teaching, much less my part in it.  She rarely keeps me informed about even basic things (like if I have a class or not), and she doesn't seem to understand any of her administrative duties (which has cost me a significant amount of time and money in past years.)  To be honest, the quality of your co-teacher can really make or break your experience if you let it.  I've been fortunate enough to have Korean friends to fill in the empty spaces (like hospital visits, banking, etc.)  And other than my sucky co-teacher, my school isn't so bad. 

I actually get to do a lot of interesting things with my students.  This is most likely due to my co-teacher's complete lack of interest in my job.  The up side is that I get A LOT of freedom.  I am rarely told what to teach, and although you can't win over all the students all the time, I do get a decent amount of interest and participation.  In the past, I've mostly stuck to pretty generic topics (family, shopping, etc.); but the games, activities, and discussions I added worked pretty well (most of the time  ;).)  Now that I'm more comfortable with what I'm able to do and what I think my students are cabaple of, I plan to focus on more interesting topics, pushing grammar more to the background (where I now realize it ought to be.)  I'm confident I'll get some positive feedback from the boys.

Actually, most of my boys are kind of low level, but they're also cool kids.  I'm genuinely interested in getting to know them, and they really feed off of that.  It always amuses me how excited they get if I just remember their names.  They are all (at one time or another - or all the time) a pain in the a** for sure; but they're just kids.  I try talking to them outside of class as often as possible.  I answer personal questions as long as they're not too unreasonable, and I try to keep a sense of humor about things.  I'm probably too lenient, but I've been working on keeping clear boundaries with them.  All these things seem to work pretty well in building a good repore with them.  They're not fluent by the end of the year, but I do see progress.  And, more importantly, a lot of them are more confident about what they can do. 

Oh, one other thing that can be tiring are extra classes/ clubs.  When I first got here, my school asked me to do 1-hour classes 4 days/ week, Mon-Thurs right after school.  I didn't find that unreasonable or too difficult, and the extra money at the end of the semester was nice.  However, the last 1.5 years, my co-teacher has come up with some increasingly unreasonable requests (at least for me.)  Last semester it was 2-3 months of 6-hour classes on Saturdays (with the same 10 students for all 6 hours.)  Because I was already running an English club, I turned them down, which is your right to do.  However, that was when I really started to notice that my co-teacher dislikes me, because she basically stopped talking to me unless it was absolutely necessary - and we sit next to each other in the same office all day.   :-[

The other teachers at my school are pretty cool though.  Some speak English at least a little.  There are several teachers that are really kind and supportive to me.  I've started to rely on some of them more for things my co-teacher doesn't do.  Actually, it has helped me to build better relationships in my school and a better image overall.  All-in-all, it's a working progress, and I can't complain too much. 

Good luck!

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Re: High school experience
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2012, 03:35:32 pm »
Are you out in the country-side or in the city?

Either way the biggest difference is, as Yu said, technical and academic. My girlfriend used to teach at a technical high school in Seoul and she said some classes were just outrageous. Her co-teachers referred to those class periods as the zoo or babysitting sessions (kids jumping up and down on tables and chairs, screaming, uncontrollable etc). I teach at a rural academic high school. My classes are better for the most part. Some of my students are really good. Some aren't. Some think they're bad-asses, some act all cute, some are genuinely cute. A real mixed bag.

The best thing you can do is learn their Korean names and get to know them. This involves a lot of giving yourself too. English names are all well and good but discipline is difficult when you have to talk to your co-teacher about Lionel Messi pulling Gaga's hair. If you go down the English name route then choose names that remind you of Korean names (unless you already have no problem remembering Korean names because you're fluent or familiar with Korean) - so Han Deul becomes "Handle" (perhaps not so popular with the student) or Jae Sun becomes Jason etc. Easier said than done with some names but if it helps you remember their real names then all the better.

Plus, if you're in a rural town, you can never be quite sure when you will bump into their parents eating at, drinking at or even owning local restaurants - it really saves you from the embarrassment of claiming not to know who their son is even though you teach him every week. Korean names can be a nightmare for a lot of non-Korean speakers so use every trick you have to remember them.

Every school is different and I hope you luck out with a great co-teacher like I did. High school can be fun but the majority of us are not incorporated into the education system in the same way as elementary teachers or even middle school teachers are. I have no text book. There is no test on what I teach. The NEAT has been too long in coming. For me, the best teaching time is during camps when I have access to some of the best students. For me, "best," doesn't mean highest English ability, it means most interested and attentive.

Next week is Spring Break. My school has a budget that needs spending so I'm going to be teaching 30 hours to the incoming 1st grade high schoolers (divide into 2 classes so identical 15 hours of teaching each class) and my co-teacher is working overtime in order to spend it. These will be among the best middle school students in my area drawn from two different middle schools experiencing their first week of high school drudgery (14 classroom hours a day). Selfishly, I can't wait! I'm actually going to teach grammar, sentence structure and once they get used to me, try to tease some English out of them. After that, it's back to normal which is seeing each class a maximum of once a week and struggling to make a difference - all of the students interested in English will be scattered amongst so many who don't during term time, like glitter in dust.

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Re: High school experience
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2012, 10:18:39 am »
flasyb makes a very good point about the difference between urban and rural / small town schools. In a city you can be anonymous but in a small town everyone is your student's relative or a friend of your student's relative. Your students are everywhere you go, and if you teach vocational / technical students, they're also your waitresses, clerks, and cashiers. A good reputation amongst those with whom you interact goes a lot further than in a city, where you're just another FT. A local hagwon teacher once told me 'You have a very high reputation in this town'. While that in itself won't make students who don't want to learn English learn it, it does relate directly to how the students see you as a teacher.

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Re: High school experience
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2012, 10:41:00 am »
I teach high school and was apprehensive before I started.

Now I would be loathe to teach anything else because of the more genuine interactions you can have. In my first week here I was able to have a decent conversation about the Asian cup (soccer) with a few of them at the bus stop.
Though I guess no matter what age they end up becoming your kids.

As to what experience you have it all depends on the school.
I teach at a technical high school so it's not exactly dead poets society but it sounds much better than a lot of schools (even some academic ones). The kids are all pretty well behaved and mostly interested.
On the other hand a friend teaches at what sounds like a reform school and they are just not interested in learning (or anything) at all.

There are so many teacher changes each year that next year could be completely different. The English department will have two new faces (out of 5 total including me) and we will be getting a new discipline teacher.

Maybe I am to soft on them because I was a pretty bad student for all but my final year at School.

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Re: High school experience
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2012, 10:48:59 am »
There are so many teacher changes each year that next year could be completely different. School.

Another thing worth pointing out is that "public-public" schools (controlled 100% by the province or city) and "private-public" schools (controlled by the government but with their own boards) are different in that respect. At the former, the teachers rotate often, especially if it's an undesirable school or in an undesirable location. At the latter the teachers rarely change, as the tenured teachers are tenured to that particular school. Rural schools, especially rural girls schools, are more likely to be "private-public", and are more likely to have a larger proportion of male and older teachers. Each kind of school has its advantages and disadvantages - the "private-public" schools may be more entrenched in good or bad ways.

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Re: High school experience
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2012, 05:21:29 am »
Thanks you all!! The feedback has really helped! I feel with my teaching experience, that I can adapt pretty well with that crowd. Now that I think about it, I feel more prepared to teach high school since I've taught in Higher Education for 3 years. I'm sure my biggest challenge will be elementary or middle school.

By the way, I am placed in Daegu.

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Re: High school experience
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2012, 01:04:10 pm »
Good insight into teaching High School level here.

Has anyone had experience of switching from Middle to High or vice versa and the pro's and con's?

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Re: High school experience
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2012, 11:17:03 am »
Honestly, it depends on the school! My first gig was at an elementary school out in the sticks. The students were absolute angels and I really enjoyed my time with them. My after school class was actually quite high level and I was able to teach them a lot! I felt like an actual teacher going through grammar drills, pronunciation and writing exercises.

Now, I'm in a high school. It's definitely a more affluent area, but my role here is...a tape recorder/novelty. The school is definitely low-level and unfortunately, my elementary school after school advanced class was a higher level than most of my high schoolers. This was actually a huge disappointment as my teaching certificate is geared towards high school.

Overall, I think high school students can be more fun. They study more advanced material and the few times that I can teach advanced English concepts or have conversations, they've been really rewarding. However, nothing matches the unbridled enthusiasm and interest of younger students.

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Re: High school experience
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2012, 10:26:04 pm »
High school seems really difficult, especially the technical side.  How can you motivate the students?  Or at least maintain a semblance of control when your co-teacher wont help you at all?

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Re: High school experience
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2012, 08:02:53 am »
Good insight into teaching High School level here.

Has anyone had experience of switching from Middle to High or vice versa and the pro's and con's?

I've been working at a combined middle and high school for quite a while. The biggest difference is energy level.  MS students both have and require a lot of energy. HS students are more worn out, though sometimes they can still be a handful. I guess my preference would be 1, academic HS, 2. MS, 3. vocational HS.

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Re: High school experience
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2012, 05:29:21 pm »
I worked at an elementary school and a high school and i LOVED my high school! its quite different and you can learn alot from your students

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« Reply #13 on: February 29, 2012, 10:41:27 am »
I am at a HS in Seoul right now and they are very very low, so that is challenging, but behaviour is fine for me, as long as you are consistent with them. 

If you are in Seoul, there are no more HS teacher through SMOE or EPIK as of this semester...I get to stay through Aug because I started in Aug, but after this I have to go to Elementary or Middle.