Any other guys find Korean nightlife and women a bit frustrating?

[Jeff619]

I would disagree.  I think they are pretty much the same as western women, meaning you can't generalize.  I've had a lot of women approach me for one night stands.  Actually I was told that Korean women will be more aggressive toward a foreigner for this very reason.  The reasoning is because they either want the experience with a western man or they are curious about some rumors.  Many want to have the experience with a western guy before they settle down.  This was told to me by at least 4 different Korean women.

At the same time, of course there are tons of maybe more classy women who would never entertain the idea of a one night stand/purely sexual relationship.

I think you are confusing Thailand with South Korea lmao

I have a really hard time believing Korean girls approached you for a one night stand.

Tell me you where at a sleezy club in Itaweon and it would make it 30% believable

Well that's my experience.  And no, I've actually never been to Itaewon after dark.  Would never step foot into one of those clubs.  Maybe it has something to do with your attitude?  I was never looking for anything and just went places to have fun.  If a woman chatted me up I wasn't trying to turn it into sex.  Maybe the women just find that kind of attitude more appealing, I don't know.  I'm married now so my days in the clubs are over, but really if you can't meet someone there you are doing something wrong.

Anyway I'm not trying to turn this into a thread about how to meet women here.  I would hope this site is above that.

[master pandemonium]

Well, OP, part of the problem is that you are comparing Latin America/SEA to Korea and there simply is no comparison. The women in those countries, I have found,  are more genuine/sincere. I find Korean women to be very pretentious and extremely materialistic(I know, big news flash, huh). For me, there is no comparison between a Korean woman and a filipina. The filipina wins hands down. So, if you are setting your standards in Korea based on what is in Latin American and SEA, you will, of course, be greatly disappointed.

[justanotherwaygook]

Well, OP, part of the problem is that you are comparing Latin America/SEA to Korea and there simply is no comparison. The women in those countries, I have found,  are more genuine/sincere. I find Korean women to be very pretentious and extremely materialistic(I know, big news flash, huh). For me, there is no comparison between a Korean woman and a filipina. The filipina wins hands down. So, if you are setting your standards in Korea based on what is in Latin American and SEA, you will, of course, be greatly disappointed.

::)

[BachataHeights]

And where are you now?

Just returned to the states after taking a mini 2 month vacation in South America

I meant where in the States.

Orlando

[BachataHeights]

Well that's my experience.  And no, I've actually never been to Itaewon after dark.  Would never step foot into one of those clubs.  Maybe it has something to do with your attitude?  I was never looking for anything and just went places to have fun.  If a woman chatted me up I wasn't trying to turn it into sex.  Maybe the women just find that kind of attitude more appealing, I don't know.  I'm married now so my days in the clubs are over, but really if you can't meet someone there you are doing something wrong.

Anyway I'm not trying to turn this into a thread about how to meet women here.  I would hope this site is above that.

I assume you had a GF if you were NEVER looking for anything?

The way I would talk to a girl would be no different regardless of my intentions, so your theory is not valid.

I had no problem meeting Korean girls. That isnt what this thread is about.

Well, OP, part of the problem is that you are comparing Latin America/SEA to Korea and there simply is no comparison. The women in those countries, I have found,  are more genuine/sincere. I find Korean women to be very pretentious and extremely materialistic(I know, big news flash, huh). For me, there is no comparison between a Korean woman and a filipina. The filipina wins hands down. So, if you are setting your standards in Korea based on what is in Latin American and SEA, you will, of course, be greatly disappointed.

You are correct in that there is no comparison, and yes my ideas about women have been skewed from spending to much time in Latin America and SEA. But im not trying to marry a Korean so the extreme pretentiousness and materialistic doesnt concern me to much. As this thread is mostly about the cultural differences in nightlife / dancing / dating in Korea which simply take some time to adjust to.

[faery_lights]

So... to summarise.

You are frustrated with Korean nightlife because it's harder to pick up girls here because there's less female/male interaction in the clubs here than we are used to in Western culture?

That's sad. You claim to have plenty of Asian action but because you're not getting in a club like you're used to, that's a problem? Huh?

If you claim to have gotten all this 'action' like you claim, then why is it an issue how you got it? Why not, I don't know, enjoy having fun with your friends? Or even just enjoy meeting people for the sake of making new friends?

I find the generalisations made about women in this thread really sad. Not all Korean women are materialistic. Not all Western women are 'snarky and annoying'. We're all individuals and we all deserve to be treated with respect. To the guys that already do so, thank you very much.  Also, if a guy is with a girl you consider unattractive or vice-versa, who cares? Chances are they are together for reasons much deeper than appearance.

[ardentis]

Speaking solely (hehe, Seoul-ly) from my experience talking to Korean friends, they are more wary and skeptical of the one night stand brand of sexual activity than people are back home.

I def found Koreans to be less sexually liberated / open than back home and in other parts of the world.

Take a girl on a date once or twice and your golden.

Meet her at the club that night...not so much lol

Right, because a woman's only "sexually liberated" if she's willing to sleep with a guy she met an hour or two earlier in the club. Women aren't "sexually open" if they're not willing to sleep with strangers and open themselves up to potential health and safety risks like STDs, pregnancy, and rape. Heaven forbid a woman want to establish some trust and gain some knowledge about a potential sexual partner.

One-night stands aren't for everyone and can potentially be very dangerous. Choosing to get to know your partner beforehand doesn't make you a prude. Nor do one-night stands make you "sexually liberated / open." Please don't attack a woman's sexuality because she's not willing to let you put your [redacted] inside of her because you talked to her or danced with her for a few hours. She doesn't owe that to you, and it doesn't say a damn thing about how open or "liberated" she is.

I don't know why this one contribution is sticking in my craw while I'm overlooking all the other BS.

Waygook, this thread isn't giving any advice or help and should be deleted.

[woman-king]

Speaking solely (hehe, Seoul-ly) from my experience talking to Korean friends, they are more wary and skeptical of the one night stand brand of sexual activity than people are back home.

I def found Koreans to be less sexually liberated / open than back home and in other parts of the world.

Take a girl on a date once or twice and your golden.

Meet her at the club that night...not so much lol

Right, because a woman's only "sexually liberated" if she's willing to sleep with a guy she met an hour or two earlier in the club. Women aren't "sexually open" if they're not willing to sleep with strangers and open themselves up to potential health and safety risks like STDs, pregnancy, and rape. Heaven forbid a woman want to establish some trust and gain some knowledge about a potential sexual partner.

One-night stands aren't for everyone and can potentially be very dangerous. Choosing to get to know your partner beforehand doesn't make you a prude. Nor do one-night stands make you "sexually liberated / open." Please don't attack a woman's sexuality because she's not willing to let you put your [redacted] inside of her because you talked to her or danced with her for a few hours. She doesn't owe that to you, and it doesn't say a damn thing about how open or "liberated" she is.

I don't know why this one contribution is sticking in my craw while I'm overlooking all the other BS.

Waygook, this thread isn't giving any advice or help and should be deleted.

Word.

Equating "sexually liberated" with "willing to hook up with strangers she meets in clubs" is such a limited perspective on sexual liberation and just . . . pretty ridiculous in general.

[BachataHeights]

So... to summarise.

You are frustrated with Korean nightlife because it's harder to pick up girls here because there's less female/male interaction in the clubs here than we are used to in Western culture?

That's sad. You claim to have plenty of Asian action but because you're not getting in a club like you're used to, that's a problem? Huh?

If you claim to have gotten all this 'action' like you claim, then why is it an issue how you got it? Why not, I don't know, enjoy having fun with your friends? Or even just enjoy meeting people for the sake of making new friends?

I find the generalisations made about women in this thread really sad. Not all Korean women are materialistic. Not all Western women are 'snarky and annoying'. We're all individuals and we all deserve to be treated with respect. To the guys that already do so, thank you very much.  Also, if a guy is with a girl you consider unattractive or vice-versa, who cares? Chances are they are together for reasons much deeper than appearance.

Your summation is a bit off. Let me help you out.

Korean nightlife is frustrating to me because I don't enjoy listening to house / techno and jumping around acting like i'm having seizures. I like to dance closely to attractive girls to American top 40 ect. Korean nightlife is frustrating because like I mentioned there isnt great deal of male to female interactions(I find Korean culture to be pretty segregated gender wise) and in general a lack of a hook-up / one night stand culture that you find in other parts of the world.

Thats not sad, sweetie. Whats sad is you thinking your idea of fun is somehow better and more righteous others.

The problem is in Korea with its lack of one night stand culture it takes more work. This can be annoying when you are not looking for a girlfriend and don't want to invest alot of time and money into a chick just to hookup.

I do enjoy having fun with my friends and do it daily. How is that gonna satisfy my manly needs again?!? Your a bright one I see.

Why do you take generalizations so seriously? They are peoples opinions, not the end all be all. Relax. Ovcourse not every Korean girl is materialistic ect. And in regards to the Western dudes dating ugly Korean chicks, that affects us if it is a trend. It happens for a reason. Maybe they are together because that is all he could get at the time? Think outside box.

Right, because a woman's only "sexually liberated" if she's willing to sleep with a guy she met an hour or two earlier in the club. Women aren't "sexually open" if they're not willing to sleep with strangers and open themselves up to potential health and safety risks like STDs, pregnancy, and rape. Heaven forbid a woman want to establish some trust and gain some knowledge about a potential sexual partner.

One-night stands aren't for everyone and can potentially be very dangerous. Choosing to get to know your partner beforehand doesn't make you a prude. Nor do one-night stands make you "sexually liberated / open." Please don't attack a woman's sexuality because she's not willing to let you put your [redacted] inside of her because you talked to her or danced with her for a few hours. She doesn't owe that to you, and it doesn't say a damn thing about how open or "liberated" she is.

I don't know why this one contribution is sticking in my craw while I'm overlooking all the other BS.

Waygook, this thread isn't giving any advice or help and should be deleted.

I see you are pretty narrowed minded if you can't see that sexual liberated / openness can mean or be used numerous ways. No one said one nights stands are for everyone, but they are apart of life. Deal with it.

[#basedcowboyshirt]

Thats not sad, sweetie.

Continuing a misogynistic, gag-inducing argument on the internet when clearly nobody agrees with you is, though.
Also condescendingly calling anyone 'sweetie' is pretty cringe-worthy.

How is that gonna satisfy my manly needs again?!? Your a bright one I see.

Nice one, bro.

Also, ew.

[BachataHeights]

@basedcowboyshirt

Do you have anything to say on the actually topic or do you just like to spam a thread?

Atleast the faery lights and ardentis addressed the topic, albeit in a narrow minded self-righteous way....

[yankees1477]

@#basedcowboyshirt- If i could hug you I would!

@ BachataHeights- Obviously you are alone in this thinking.  Just let it rest.  This thread is going nowhere but down hill fast.

[ardentis]

Right, because a woman's only "sexually liberated" if she's willing to sleep with a guy she met an hour or two earlier in the club. Women aren't "sexually open" if they're not willing to sleep with strangers and open themselves up to potential health and safety risks like STDs, pregnancy, and rape. Heaven forbid a woman want to establish some trust and gain some knowledge about a potential sexual partner.

One-night stands aren't for everyone and can potentially be very dangerous. Choosing to get to know your partner beforehand doesn't make you a prude. Nor do one-night stands make you "sexually liberated / open." Please don't attack a woman's sexuality because she's not willing to let you put your [redacted] inside of her because you talked to her or danced with her for a few hours. She doesn't owe that to you, and it doesn't say a damn thing about how open or "liberated" she is.

I don't know why this one contribution is sticking in my craw while I'm overlooking all the other BS.

Waygook, this thread isn't giving any advice or help and should be deleted.

I see you are pretty narrowed minded if you can't see that sexual liberated / openness can mean or be used numerous ways. No one said one nights stands are for everyone, but they are apart of life. Deal with it.
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If talking about how any aspect of a woman's sexuality cannot be determined solely by her willingness to hop into bed with strangers -- and by the way, I'm not knocking one-night stands, I'm just saying that they're not for everyone, which is clearly the opposite of what you're suggesting since you think a woman's a prude if she's not into them -- makes me "narrowed minded [sic]" or self-righteous, I am totally okay with that.

It's actually kind of funny that you're saying I'm the one who's limiting the definition of sexual liberation or openness when you're the one who's putting one single parameter on it. And you're also calling me narrow-minded for suggesting that there are other things to consider when talking about such a topic. I think you need to reconsider the definition of narrow-minded. Actually, judging from the language you've used and attitude you've displayed in this thread regarding women, I think you need to reconsider a lot of things.

[Jrong]

I applaud BH for being honest. He is a normal, straight male. Nothing wrong with one-night stands, they're pretty normal. Most single testosterone-filled men who can, will. You may think he's misogynistic but we don't know him well enough to make that judgement. Words need to be interpreted within the context of culture AND his own personality as he may use words differently than you.

When I read posts like these, I remember how "non-normal" most posters on this forum must be.

[deanitsin]

If you genuinely believe that Korea lacks a "one night stand culture", then you either haven't been here very long, or you're doing it wrong.

Sorry you're having bad luck (as others have said, you may want to consider that it might have something to do with your attitude), but I don't think the right solution is to assume it's an entire country. Maybe try a new haircut, do a little shopping or brush up on your conversational skills.

Or you could stop being a condescending fill-in-the-blank that women, Korean or otherwise, can probably smell coming from a mile away.

[ardentis]

I applaud BH for being honest. He is a normal, straight male. Nothing wrong with one-night stands, they're pretty normal. Most single testosterone-filled men who can, will. You may think he's misogynistic but we don't know him well enough to make that judgement. Words need to be interpreted within the context of culture AND his own personality as he may use words differently than you.

When I read posts like these, I remember how "non-normal" most posters on this forum must be.

Most of the replies I've seen haven't said that they're anything problematic or abnormal about one-night stands. With my own reply, I was merely stating that you can't really judge how sexual a woman -- or a man, for that matter -- is based on their willingness to engage in what is risky behavior. One-night stands are risky for both parties. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with them or that they're not normal. But you can't deny that there is an element of risk involved for both partners, especially for a woman in a heterosexual hookup.

Do all "normal" straight males complain about having to spend money on a woman they're trying to sleep with? Because BH has done that several times, both when talking about booking clubs and then in his charming reply to myself and faery_lights. Do they talk about how it takes "work"? Or about how awful it is that you've got to go out with a girl one or two times before she sleeps with you? Or how they don't care about a woman's attitude because w/e, she's just a walking vagina?

Unfortunately, it might be "normal," but that doesn't mean that it's okay to think that way or say those things in a public forum.

[woman-king]

I applaud BH for being honest. He is a normal, straight male. Nothing wrong with one-night stands, they're pretty normal. Most single testosterone-filled men who can, will. You may think he's misogynistic but we don't know him well enough to make that judgement. Words need to be interpreted within the context of culture AND his own personality as he may use words differently than you.

When I read posts like these, I remember how "non-normal" most posters on this forum must be.

No one is actually knocking people for having one-night stands, though, or saying they're immoral.  I'm pretty sure there's been allusions to ONS and to casual sex/hook-ups before on this site without stirring up the pot so much.  He's getting a reaction because of his overall "LOL Korean women are so uptight amiright?" attitude.  Not because he likes sex.   

[sejongthefabulous]

I applaud BH for being honest. He is a normal, straight male. Nothing wrong with one-night stands, they're pretty normal. Most single testosterone-filled men who can, will. You may think he's misogynistic but we don't know him well enough to make that judgement. Words need to be interpreted within the context of culture AND his own personality as he may use words differently than you.

When I read posts like these, I remember how "non-normal" most posters on this forum must be.

I also respect people for being honest, but I don't necessarily like people who share honest opinions in inappropriate situations. It's rude to walk up to strangers and profess you desire to sleep with them, but I suppose it's honest. It's also honest to state that you have shallow narrow-minded opinions about sexuality and you want them to be as easy and open as possible....but it's hardly going to earn you respect from everyone.
Yes we don't know this guy.....but he isn't off to a great start. Respect should be earned, but if you are a brand new member of a community and your first few threads involve attacking people with varying opinions, you risk annoying people. Also when more experienced members start mentions that such discussions may be inappropriate for the forum, you shouldn't attack their advice as a new member, specially when the majority of people commenting on your thread are unsettled by your comments.
I don't think anyone is normal, but I don't think it is abnormal to want to keep an efl teaching forum somewhat professional. Most of us don't want to revisit the days of English Spectrum and all the crap that community started by hosting western style parties and such.

...what's wrong with having a culture that is different? I don't find this frustrating, but I've learned how it's done here.

[BachataHeights]

@#basedcowboyshirt- If i could hug you I would!

@ BachataHeights- Obviously you are alone in this thinking.  Just let it rest.  This thread is going nowhere but down hill fast.

I am alone in what thinking? I am no different than any other single young male coming to Korea that likes to go out clubbing, dancing, and meeting / hooking up with women.

I'd advise you to let it rest. This obviously isnt a thread for you as you are a female. Thanks :)

If talking about how any aspect of a woman's sexuality cannot be determined solely by her willingness to hop into bed with strangers -- and by the way, I'm not knocking one-night stands, I'm just saying that they're not for everyone, which is clearly the opposite of what you're suggesting since you think a woman's a prude if she's not into them -- makes me "narrowed minded [sic]" or self-righteous, I am totally okay with that.

It's actually kind of funny that you're saying I'm the one who's limiting the definition of sexual liberation or openness when you're the one who's putting one single parameter on it. And you're also calling me narrow-minded for suggesting that there are other things to consider when talking about such a topic. I think you need to reconsider the definition of narrow-minded. Actually, judging from the language you've used and attitude you've displayed in this thread regarding women, I think you need to reconsider a lot of things.

Where did I call a female prude or any other term in relation to her not being into one night stands? Here is a hint, I didnt.

And when did I say anything about that being the only parameter on sexual liberation / openness? That is just the one I was using for this topic. Like I said there is many parameters / ways one can use those terms.

[ardentis]

If talking about how any aspect of a woman's sexuality cannot be determined solely by her willingness to hop into bed with strangers -- and by the way, I'm not knocking one-night stands, I'm just saying that they're not for everyone, which is clearly the opposite of what you're suggesting since you think a woman's a prude if she's not into them -- makes me "narrowed minded [sic]" or self-righteous, I am totally okay with that.

It's actually kind of funny that you're saying I'm the one who's limiting the definition of sexual liberation or openness when you're the one who's putting one single parameter on it. And you're also calling me narrow-minded for suggesting that there are other things to consider when talking about such a topic. I think you need to reconsider the definition of narrow-minded. Actually, judging from the language you've used and attitude you've displayed in this thread regarding women, I think you need to reconsider a lot of things.

Where did I call a female prude or any other term in relation to her not being into one night stands? Here is a hint, I didnt.

And when did I say anything about that being the only parameter on sexual liberation / openness? That is just the one I was using for this topic. Like I said there is many parameters / ways one can use those terms.

Okay, then please explain this:

Speaking solely (hehe, Seoul-ly) from my experience talking to Korean friends, they are more wary and skeptical of the one night stand brand of sexual activity than people are back home.

I def found Koreans to be less sexually liberated / open than back home and in other parts of the world.

Take a girl on a date once or twice and your golden.

Meet her at the club that night...not so much lol

Within that context, why exactly do you say that Korean women are less sexually liberated or open? And please tell me what the opposite of sexually liberated or open is, if not prudish?