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Offline vitamin-d

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Re: ~ Music Genres ~
« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2011, 01:25:08 pm »
Hmmm... don't know why that might be guys. Sorry.
It's clearly working for some people, and it works on both my school computers and home laptops.
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« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2011, 02:12:30 pm »
Nice ppt. I'm just as much into alternative/independent music as the next guy, and of course there are hundreds of sub-genres contained in that umbrella term, but its funny how biased this was towards that. As much as I don't like most mainstream garbage it might be better to at least give some contemporary examples of popular genres (Pop-Lady Gaga, Rock-Kings of Leon, Rap-Eminem for example) before delving into the alternative genres so they at least have a more accurate picture of what is popular in the West.

Believe me I'd be so happy if all my students started listening to Porcupine Tree or MF Doom or something but the truth is most people, Korea included, will listen to commercial music only and be happy with it. Just look at K-Pop. Its the same commercialized garbage we have back at home. Or even looking past K-Pop, how many times have you heard that Sex on the Beach song at bars and clubs? Or the shots song? Or my new favorite the Barbara Streisand song?

That said, nothing wrong with introducing them to some more intelligent stuff like Antony and the Johnsons or This Will Destroy You. In my opinion, just give them what they want first (the popular genres they probably know) and then slip in the alternative stuff that you want to teach after.

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« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2011, 08:29:45 am »
I'm inclined to disagree. My aim here wasn't to educate students on what music is popular or unpopular in the west, nor to hope that they'd start following the Mars Volta, but to have them listen to very different styles of music and use their knowledge of English to work out which they were listening to. My aim here was to improve their knowledge of the language of music and how it is described. Lady Gaga, Kings of Leon and Eminem are essentially pop artists and have more similarity with each other than Fanfare Ciocarlia, Joanna Newsom & Venetian Snares. The students already know their genre and would have had no trouble answering the questions, thus rendering the lesson defunct. In actual fact, my lesson began with a discussion of the artists, genres and instruments they like/know - so those you mentioned, and many others, had already been noted...

I felt that using video or household names would distract them from the task at hand.

In hindsight, my students have been very receptive. Most loved the example of Gypsy, some were crazy for electronic, and others hated the ballad. As with all people from all cultures their opinions were mixed, but importantly they absolutely did have both positive and negative opinions (in English) regardless of whether they've heard of these artists. I've been very pleased and surprised with how they've digested music that's so different to what they're used to hearing, and have received compliments from my co-teachers on the originality and freshness of the material. I even discovered that one of my cos likes post-rock  :P

Basically, I didn't want to dilute the exercise by pandering to popular culture or by trying to impress them with music I know they'll like. The main aim was to get them describing music, thinking about the instruments used and forming and expressing an opinion. To do that, it was necessary for me to use vastly differing artists.
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« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2011, 11:55:35 am »
This lesson is Super, Sophisticated, Sensational PPT work, SIMPLY Wonderful- I take my hat off to you.....thank you...

and I learned a lot myself....

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« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2011, 11:06:49 am »
HELP!!!!

I can get this to work in my office on PPT 2003 perfectly. But in my classroom on Powerpoint 2007 it opens no problem but the sound won't play. Does anyone have any idea why this might be? I just had a very awkward class when it wouldn't play!!
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« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2011, 01:28:06 pm »
Thanks a ton, this is fantastic!

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« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2011, 01:45:29 pm »
If you guys want to use a little bit famous rap song that doesn't have cuss words, try

"Roxanne Roxanne" by UTFO.

It was famous enough in the 80s that it spawned 100 different reply songs.

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« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2011, 09:42:53 am »
I'll check that out, thanks.
Does anyone know how to help Nmonk, other than install Office 2003 in the classroom?
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« Reply #48 on: May 04, 2011, 03:52:33 pm »
Did he not allow some of the content to be run when he started the file? Sometimes, when I run things in 2007/2010 that pops up as soon as I open a file. The top one is to protect. The bottom is to run it/trust it. Maybe it works.. maybe not -_-;;

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« Reply #49 on: May 04, 2011, 04:55:20 pm »
To be honest, It made me cringe a little. I think music is such a subjective medium and i wouldn't teach my kids about genres. But... that's just my opinion. I think I've spent too much time studying the subject at university and probably come off sounding like a snob.

If i were teaching a higher level than elementary, i think it would be good to experiment and try to teach kids what music is, by showing them examples of people who have a totally different idea on the subject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4ea0sBrw6M


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« Reply #50 on: May 04, 2011, 11:57:45 pm »
I'm inclined to disagree. My aim here wasn't to educate students on what music is popular or unpopular in the west, nor to hope that they'd start following the Mars Volta, but to have them listen to very different styles of music and use their knowledge of English to work out which they were listening to. My aim here was to improve their knowledge of the language of music and how it is described. Lady Gaga, Kings of Leon and Eminem are essentially pop artists and have more similarity with each other than Fanfare Ciocarlia, Joanna Newsom & Venetian Snares. The students already know their genre and would have had no trouble answering the questions, thus rendering the lesson defunct. In actual fact, my lesson began with a discussion of the artists, genres and instruments they like/know - so those you mentioned, and many others, had already been noted...

I felt that using video or household names would distract them from the task at hand.

In hindsight, my students have been very receptive. Most loved the example of Gypsy, some were crazy for electronic, and others hated the ballad. As with all people from all cultures their opinions were mixed, but importantly they absolutely did have both positive and negative opinions (in English) regardless of whether they've heard of these artists. I've been very pleased and surprised with how they've digested music that's so different to what they're used to hearing, and have received compliments from my co-teachers on the originality and freshness of the material. I even discovered that one of my cos likes post-rock  :P

Basically, I didn't want to dilute the exercise by pandering to popular culture or by trying to impress them with music I know they'll like. The main aim was to get them describing music, thinking about the instruments used and forming and expressing an opinion. To do that, it was necessary for me to use vastly differing artists.

I'm not really disagreeing with you. I understand that the point of this lesson is to get the kids using English to talk about real-world things. I'm just saying that us foreign teachers are probably the most accurate representation of Western culture to these kids, and thus everything we do will be interpreted by them as a representation of Western culture as a whole. So whether we like it or not, we are always a cultural representative as well as an English teacher. Thats why I think its important to give an accurate representation of our home cultures rather than just teaching about our specific interests all the time. Or, if you are teaching something about your interests, just make sure to specifically state that it is your interest and not your whole culture's before you teach it.

Koreans do seem to get a little bit of our pop culture but its pretty obvious to me that they still have a wildly different perception of the West than how it actually is. The vast majority of my kids think I eat hamburgers for breakfast, lunch and dinner and never talk to my family for months or years at a time because my society is so individualistic.

I'm not saying force pop culture on them. I'm saying give them an accurate picture of people's interests in whatever country you're from or at least let them know when you aren't. That's all. I feel like there was some sort of passive agenda at work in this lesson, AKA to get kids listening to alternative/art music, which is an agenda I wish I could support myself, but as a cultural representative, I cannot endorse it.

EDIT: Hell, if your students are at a high enough level, you could get a debate going on mainstream music vs. non-mainstream or why people listen to the type of music they do. That would be really interesting to hear from the Korean perspective.
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« Reply #51 on: May 18, 2011, 06:12:58 pm »
Great job indeed. The choice of the singers and the genres is skillful. Thank you very much.

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« Reply #52 on: May 29, 2011, 10:43:47 pm »
This is a great lesson---or at least idea. I'm new and can't download stuff yet. I'm thinking about something similar to this for my class. Here's to hoping it turns out well.

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« Reply #53 on: May 31, 2011, 07:25:36 pm »
This is a great idea and the ppt looks nice, but I'm unable to hear any of the audio :(. Is there anything I need to download to make it work? Do the songs just come on or do you need to click something?

Really want to use this so any help would be great.   

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« Reply #54 on: June 06, 2011, 07:49:40 pm »
Thank you!!  This is exactly what I planned on doing this week~ 

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« Reply #55 on: September 05, 2011, 06:03:25 pm »
I just tried this wonderful lesson today and it went very well with my 2nd Years, thank you for posting this!

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« Reply #56 on: September 07, 2011, 05:35:40 pm »
I've been looking for a music lesson plan idea. I will try this out and see how it goes! Thanks! :D

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« Reply #57 on: September 14, 2011, 10:58:28 pm »
This sounds like it is a really good lesson. I'd love to use it, but I'm new to this site and don't know how to locate the downloads. Thanks for the help! :)

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« Reply #58 on: September 15, 2011, 06:29:43 am »
This sounds like it is a really good lesson. I'd love to use it, but I'm new to this site and don't know how to locate the downloads. Thanks for the help! :)

Welcome to waygook. I believe you need at least 5 posts before you can download anything.

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« Reply #59 on: September 15, 2011, 12:15:54 pm »
Even without the PPT, I can kind of gather how this lesson will go. Seems to be really cool and good for introducing a variety of vocabulary!