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« on: July 03, 2008, 10:18:08 am »
wow, this site is amazing. i have no idea where Jeollanam-do is, I'm in Sam Cheok, but I'm glad I stumbled upon this site. I'm with Epik, and we have a similar lesson share site, but I find the lessons are geared for middle school and won't work for my high school girls. to be honest, i don't know how they work for anyone at all. i'm not sure if there's something wrong with me or what, but stuff from our EPik handbook that other people do just fails miserably in my class, either painful dead air, or it gets rowdy and out of control.

i'm about 2 more bombed classes away from jumping off my apartment building, but i think this site will stave off those thoughts for the time being. I'll upload the lessons i found successful, although to be honest, i can count them on one hand.

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Re: newbie
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2008, 12:05:50 pm »
Hello Amanda!  Glad you find it useful.  Welcome to Waygook.  :D :D
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Re: newbie
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2008, 02:02:34 pm »
Is Samcheok in Gangwondo?  I work in a high school too - in Gyeongsangnamdo - miles away from Gangwon I'm afraid. 

Unfortunately there are not many native teachers in high schools yet, so not much in the way of materials.  I don't know if EPIK provide anything useful, but my school kind of hoped I would provide everything.  After three years I finally have some idea of what keeps the students entertained.  I can send you some of my stuff if you want. 

I also recommend bogglesworldesl.com although you should check the materials for mistakes and appropriate content before you print them.  The guy who runs bogglesworld is an absolute legend - and a maniac, as he has built the whole site with his own teaching materials, which are not always the highest quality, but certainly the most accessable and Korea orientated.  He also fields any question on his message boards.  I'd say respect him as highly as any English teacher I've come across in Korea.

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Re: newbie
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2008, 11:05:11 am »
yes, Samcheok is a tiny place in Gangwon-do, by the sea, home of the (in)famous penis park. My orientation group is the first bunch of foriegners to teach in the highschools out here, so it's a bit rocky. My school provides no materials at all, they won't even give me a copy of the text book the other teachers work with, This is my first year teaching (just out of uni). so i'm a bit overwhelmed. Contrary to Epik rhetoric, the coteachers aren't involved whatsoever. Although it's technically illegal, they don't come to most of my classes, so the kids see this as rest time/study other classes time. So I'm always exhausting myself making lessons after school and on the weekends.

The middle school teachers who have been here 1 year before me have settled into a kind of cynical blase mode, and they tell me spending time on lessons is a classic beginner mistake. They spend no time on lessons, but they can just follow the grammar outline from the middle school text, then give a worksheet, and the coteacher is there to explain grammer and discipline.

Boggles world is great, I've used some of the material for my adult classes, but I fnd I really need to adapt it for the highschool girls. A certain level of participation is needed for role plays, gap fills etc, and if they are just sitting there silent, refusing to move, it falls painfully flat.

I would love to see what material you use in your classes, what works. Cuz i'm tearing my hair out. I keep looking for some kind of secret formula or answer to unlick the mystery of how to be an effective ESL teacher, but I feel like everything is working against me. Anyways, thanks for the reply. Does it get any better after your first year here??

amanda

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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2008, 10:41:52 am »
haha no prob. i appreciate the encouragement and advice. i walked out of a class for the first time yesterday. just tired of struggling to get their attention, and the disrespect. i'm shorter than most of them, and the youngest teacher, so I guess if I'm not entertaining them, or dangling candy at them, they don't even acknowledge me. you're right about being expected to be an entertainer, or celebrity, rather than an educator, and that's tough after the novelty wears off. i'm a shy person too, so i can't just do some ridiculous pantomime of what they perceive my culture to be. are you teaching all boys? have you been at the same school for 3 years? looks like you have a really nice class room.

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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2008, 10:58:59 am »
oh yeah, where do you get those text books? In Samcheok you can't buy a single English book, reading or teaching. Is it possible to order online? Or should I suck it up and make the trip to Seoul?

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Re: newbie
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2008, 09:16:24 pm »
Welcome to the forum raisedbywoolves and rianshearer.  I'm glad to see more people joining and contributing.  We kind of hit a slow stretch the last couple months. 

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Contrary to Epik rhetoric, the coteachers aren't involved whatsoever. Although it's technically illegal, they don't come to most of my classes, so the kids see this as rest time/study other classes time.


Yeah, that's pretty much how it works.  The lack of interest on the part of coteachers, plus seeing each class only about six times a semester---once every two weeks, not taking into account holidays, tests, and random cancellations---makes me feel like an entertainer a lot of the time.  Many Korean teachers feel the same way about our classes, telling us (and the students) that it's a chance to get away from the rigidity of the Korean English classes, and there are certain behavioral expectations in place for English teachers / monkeys.  I work in a middle school, and even though a lot of students are bigger than me, I can still scare them if I need to, haha. 

Look on the bright side, the semester's almost over and you can recharge over break, even if it's only for a little while.  Start off the next time with something fun and relaxing.  The "find someone who . . . " activity works well for me on first classes.  (Even though it won't be your first class with them, you could just pretend, haha).  Not sure if they'd consider the bingo too childish, but whatever, you can also get them to make sentences from their answer sheets (ex: Whose favorite color is purple? ________'s favorite color is purple.)  The drawback is that the students will have to move around the room, something I don't know'd work with high schoolers. 

There's another thread on classroom discipline with some good tips.  I haven't tried many of them because I don't see them enough to have any consistant reward / punishment system.  Plus, they kept moving the students around to different classes so the rosters don't stay the same for very long.   I just try to keep looking on the bright side and not getting too frustrated with the students.  Yes, they can be lazy and yes, there really ought to be someone in the room helping me and yes, the students really ought to be able to keep their mouths shut for two fucking seconds . . . but they're good kids, most of the time, and it's a good job, most of the time, so, yeah. 

My lessons aren't high-tech because (a) I don't have the time, and (b) the equipment in the language lab doesn't work half the time.  So I just try to keep it simple, making worksheets, activities, and trying to incorporate stuff from the book.  Some of the lessons are brutal, though, so I've got to try to do more fun stuff.  I don't give candy, though, because I don't believe in rewarding students for shit they're supposed to do. 

As for coteachers, there are pros and cons to having them in the room.  To generalize a little bit, they either never show up or they try to do everything (and do everything in Korean).   Neither one is ideal, and so at the beginning of next semester at the workshop I'm going to try to come to an understanding about what would make our classes work best.  Last semester I gave them the option of not coming to class if they didn't want to, since they always complained of being busy, and something like 75% never came.  I'm going to try laying down the law a little bit more next time around.  Raisedbywoolves, if the coteachers don't show up . . . meh, just do your best.  It's frustrating to spin your wheels for five classes a day and have nothing go right, but if nobody else gives a damn about that, neither should you.  Just do your best, try to teach them something (anything, even if it's not directly "English"), and look on the bright side. 

You'll also gradually get a better understanding of Korea as your year goes on, so you can scout out better opportunities if you'd like to stay another year or more.  You could always try Jeollanam-do, haha . . . I had never heard of Samcheok before you mentioned it.  It looks very scenic, I'll give you that.
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Re: newbie
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2008, 04:40:20 pm »
Sam cheok is a pretty place, it's true. a bit small and conservative, but better beaches than Busan, if you can handle the glares of fully clad bathing 아주마's who've never seen a bikini before, except in their nightmares.

I'm definitely trying the "find someone who" thing next semester since i've seen it cited over and over and over in forums, books etc, though i've been holding off due to their inherent distate for mobility. First class back though is going to be class room rules and language, since they STILL just say, "TEACHER! UNGHH!" and make a pained face when they need to go to the washroom. I'm definitely pretending it's my first class. They won't remember a thing from last semester anyways. So I'm going to come back and pretend I became a bitch over my holiday.

Thats really inefficient and strange you see your classes so infrequently. Imagine it was science, or math, it wouldn't make any sense. Haha I know a teacher here who was actually asked to teach math, in English, so I guess we're not exactly dealing with logicians (he's a drummer).

It's so easy to become frustrated and burnt out and just give up, so it's encouraging to know some people find their stride, or a formula that works, and stick it out.

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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2008, 06:12:38 pm »
I'm just finishing up my year and I have made lesson plans all year long.  Why is that a mistake?  Imagine your classroom if you had no plan at all and just played games?  I, too, feel that students think class is free time, but I just keep plugging along.  My co-teachers always come in with me.  The second semester has been especially good.  I think the teachers realize I'm working hard and the lessons are less a waste of time than they thought. They let me teach and they interpret when they have to.  I have middle school girls and high school boys and girls.  The HS boys are bad!  They don't care at all about English.  I started the year with an introduction.  I introduced myself, showed pictures, etc, then asked the students to introduce themselves.  For the girls I asked which is their favorite boy band.  The boys I asked which is their favorite sport.  This seemed to help establish some kind of connection.  My lessons are generally grammar (even high school) and conversation (especially high school).  I listen to what the students are saying (incorrectly) and try to use that in the next lesson.  I show a lot of videos and have the kids do a lot of worksheets.  Sometimes I just steal someone else's lesson.  Sometimes I use the textbook.  I also use the introduction stuff all year.  I talk about that boy band and use those names in the lesson.  For instance comparative and superlatives:  Who's the cutest band, Big Bang, TVXQ or FT Island?  Same thing with the sports for the boys.  I try to spend only about 15 minutes on actual games to reinforce the lesson.  Some of the games and activities involve getting up and walking around or doing something.  Since they all seem to like to draw, Pictionary is good.  Giving directions for what to draw is good.  Jeopardy is good.  Steal, Switch or Bust has always been a hit in all my classes.  In high school this semester I spent the last 5 or 10 minutes teaching them slang.  Believe it or not, they remembered it the next week!  And the co-teachers were also engaged.  I only give candy once in a while and I try not to entertain.  It took me most of the first semester to get a handle on how to do this whole ESL thing.  I've taught various classes in the past, but this was new.  If your co-teachers aren't coming into the classrooms with you, have you spoken with them about this?  Would they be willing to sit in the back and do nothing?  Sometimes, just having the Korean teacher in the classroom improves the students behavior.  Also, acting "like a bitch" as you put it is good.  You have to have a no nonsense attitude, but still have fun.  The kids should have fun, but you have to enjoy what you do, too.  You're teaching teens and they are concerned about teenage stuff: who likes who, who's hair looks nice, which boy the girls like most, music, video games, parents and school.  They're not the enemy, although some days it may seem like it.  Just relax and you'll do good.  You may even find some of your students know enough English to joke around with you!
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Re: newbie
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2008, 12:21:41 pm »
Kyobo books has English instructional books you can order online. You need you coteacher's help to navigate unless you know Korean. Whatthebook.com will meet your other reading needs.

http://www.kyobobook.co.kr/index.laf

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Re: newbie
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2008, 03:42:42 pm »
Re: wattawoman

Wow, it sounds like you've got a handle on things, that's encouraging.
You're right about lessons. it's a shame so many teachers just give up, i mean co-teachers and native speakers alike. After the co-teachers stop coming, lots of NS stop trying, and just resort to crosswords, bingo, 7-up etc.. just killing time, which the kids don't respect. There's so much criticism on both sides of the board, Koreans who think Foriegn teachers are lazy and worthless, Foriegners who can't see another solution without any support. I don't want to just cash in and cop out, I actually WANT to be doing the job I'm getting paid for... give these kids the skills to communicate in English, and yes, try to have SOME fun doing it. I've asked for more co-teaching, but they say it's impossible to work into the schedule. So I need to make do. I am thinking about writing a report letter home to each parent and having it translated by the co-teachers, a kind of end of the year report card.This might motivate the kids to behave better and participate. I don't know. But bad kids usually come from troubled homes, at least in my experience working in Vancouver, and I don't want to be responsible for some poor kid getting beat. So, I still haven't sussed out how I'm going to bring their participation up from their current 0%, but I have gotten a lot of ideas from this board, so I'm almost looking forward to next semester. Your highschool boys sound like my girls. It's interesting how the participation, ability and interest levels in English drastically drop when they come from middle school into highschool.

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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2008, 11:56:24 am »
Wow, raisedbywolves!  This is the most action this website has seen in AGES!!  You're popular already!  hahaha

And in answer to your question...yes, it gets better hahaha
I COMPLETELY understand.  I had the WORST first month ever...but you know what?  You've got nowhere to go but up from there, right? :)  Chin up, and hold in there, you'll get the hang of it.  And I was shy too, but eventually you'll come to the conclusion that you shouldn't be shy of them, THEY should be shy of YOU!  (feel the power! :P)  ...clarification..."shy", not scared...if they're scared of you, you should check and make sure you didn't turn Korean overnight :P 

And a few months off for Summer vacation will make you forget all about the fears and frustrations, so you can start fresh in the fall :)

Also, there's absolutely nothing wrong wtih walking out of a class if you're at the end of your wits.  if you can't deal, that's because the co-teachers aren't doing their job, and the action speaks volumes to them. 
After you did it, wasn't some kid sent as a representative of the class to apologize to you?  I've done it a few times, and that's what always happens for me.
...don't walk out all the time though hahha, it'll lose it's effect.
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2008, 09:00:43 am »
Raisedbwolves,

As someone who also works at a girls high school, I can totally relate to the frustration. It DOES get easier as you get more comfortable in the school and as the students get used to you.

Good luck!
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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2008, 08:51:24 pm »
I'm lucky enough to be in a mixed high school, so the atmosphere is quite good.  Yes, I've been at the same place for three years - that's why my language skills are stunted and my conversation topics often related to Kimchi, Dokdo and Sonyeo-shidae.  If you get really sick of your job, there are plenty of others.  I mean I'm not suggesting you quit, but if you're that stressed, consider another place in Korea.  There are lots of cool jobs.
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