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Re: Native teacher shouldn't speak in Korean at school?
« Reply #140 on: September 20, 2011, 01:58:26 pm »
I agree with the majority of people here in that limiting Korean to specific situations is best.  I speak 98ish% English in the classroom, but I am blessed with students who are pretty good at understanding me.  I do however help them out from time to time or help myself with discipline by flexing my Korean.  I am not great at stringing sentences together, but I have a decent vocabulary.  Sometimes if you can translate a word instead of making them look it up in a dictionary or explain with simpler terms the class can run more smoothly.
I had a coteacher last year that used his classes to practice Korean then would brag how much he's been studying.  I would get really annoyed, especially since I often got scolded for not giving enough homework, while this schmuck never even got a sideways glance. 
My opinion, don't use it unless you either have to or if can improve the flow somehow.  Outside of class, try to have the kid speak English, sometimes they don't ever get to practice conversation, especially in the public schools.

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Re: Foreign teacher speaking Korean in class
« Reply #141 on: September 21, 2011, 08:02:06 am »
Pretty much echoing the statements above, I make a point of showing the students I know some Korean (right down to writing my name in hangul and English side by side during a self-introduction; nice bit of tangential learning with name orders) but intentionally avoid any situation where they student's could figure out just how much I know (not much FYI). Means they have to keep on their toes behaviour-wise, but communication remains in English. The easiest strategy I've found to hitting this point is to respond to any superfluous Korean with an "I don't understand." in Korean. Followed up with a few more phrases along those lines to ram it home that I'm just refusing to answer in Korean. I mean, I say superfluous because much of the time when they're approaching me in Korean, it's to say something they already should be able to mostly express using just previous target expressions but aren't bothering because it's a minute before the English period officially starts or the like.

If I use Korean in class, it's purely in a written form. As Janitor and Ronan rightly pointed out, a few words here and there truly make a world of difference. Stuff like underlining the verbs and actually writing 동사/자동사 next to them, or scribbling up the meaning of a specific word I'm using in class they won't yet know and don't have in their notes is pretty much a necessity at low level.

I mean, the other point to consider is how much English:Korean your coteachers use. The whole teaching English in English thing doesn't ring true (for better or worse) at all if you have a coteacher who works exclusively in Korean.
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Re: Foreign teacher speaking Korean in class
« Reply #142 on: September 22, 2011, 08:40:34 am »
If it doesn't cause any problems, I use whatever Korean I know if it helps the lesson along.  Or if Korean names or food or Konglish comes up, the kids enjoy seeing me struggle to write the Korean on the board.  I never liked the "no korean" rule, not at low to intermediate levels.  Besides, if anybody tries to enforce it at a public school they'll need more than luck.

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Re: Foreign teacher speaking Korean in class
« Reply #143 on: September 22, 2011, 09:15:06 am »
At my first gig in an elementary school, I found myself forced to use Korean. Without a Korean translator, my first and second graders could not understand anything I said. My school was low-level as it is, but compound that with 30+ unruly students who didn't know the rules of the game or even what topic we were learning, I started speaking Korean.
However, I always drew a line. Rules/explanations were in brief Korean, but all the vocabulary, questions, and students' answers must be in English. My students (bless their little hearts) embraced this as they now understood how to play games, and would excitedly shout the answers in English. If they did ask or speak in Korean, I simply ignored it and stared pointedly until they re-asked in halting English.
At this elementary school, I also taught an advanced class. This class consisted of high-level 6th graders and so I taught them grammar, sentence structure, and even advanced concepts like metaphors. In this case, my usage of Korean was a great boon to them. I could properly explain how the relationship between verbs and nouns affected questions, imperatives, and declarative sentences.

However, this must be tempered with restraint. These students had a lot of interest in English and so, although they knew I spoke Korean, they spoke English to me. It also helps them since I can more properly explain the nuances of English idioms/metaphors in Korean terms so that they could make the connections more easily.

At my current school (high school), I am forbidden to use Korean to the students; I am often faced with black looks. Unfortunately (perhaps fortunately), due to a lonely childhood, my vocabulary is quite extensive. Thus, I often catch myself using words that are beyond the scope of their limitations. My Korean co-teachers do not provide the translation the students require as well. I feel as if I'm a radio rather than a teacher. There is no feedback nor any back-and-forth in many of my classes. If I were allowed to use some limited Korean, I feel that it would be beneficial, but I can also tell that many of my students would cease using English. And so, I try my hardest to suppress my Korean (I am quite fluent, having spent a year teaching in English and Korean).

TL;DR Speaking Korean can help...only with students who have interest in English and will use English regardless. Otherwise, students WILL communicate only in Korean.

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Re: Foreign teacher speaking Korean in class
« Reply #144 on: September 24, 2011, 03:02:06 pm »
I wouldn't speak korean if you can avoid it.  The reason why we're here is because korean teachers can't teach an english lesson in english.  You speaking korean kinda defeats the purpose of you being there.

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Re: Foreign teacher speaking Korean in class
« Reply #145 on: September 26, 2011, 08:48:48 am »
it depends on the situation.
sometimes it's good to refreash your class

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Re: Foreign teacher speaking Korean in class
« Reply #146 on: September 27, 2011, 12:25:30 pm »
i've just been here one day and i've been using some korean to say hello and such.  is this a bad idea?  i want to show the faculty that i'm learning, but should i hide that from the kids?

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Re: Foreign teacher speaking Korean in class
« Reply #147 on: September 27, 2011, 03:18:49 pm »
I use it as a last resort because sometimes it's just necessary if I don't want the entire class grinding to a halt. Perhaps it's my particular students, or maybe it's their age, but I find a lot of my kids don't have great problem solving skills. I don't think it's possible to create a full immersion expereince in 40 minutes, in a class of 30. I've been a student in immersion classes and I have more experience of language learning, of trying to decipher meaning from context, and there were still a lot of times when I didn't have a clue what was going on. But there's a reason immersion classes are usually 1.5+ hours long, in small groups and streamed by level. It doesn't work well otherwise. I think that's part of the reason you see so many kids falling behind and not understanding in the public school system, so for them a word or two in Korean can be the thing which illuminates everything and stops the situation from snowballing. The only time I utterly refuse to engage with them in Korean is if I know for a fact that they can say a particular thing in English, but they're just being lazy by using Korean.

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Re: Foreign teacher speaking Korean in class
« Reply #148 on: September 28, 2011, 01:55:22 pm »
I think if you are learning Korean and you know a bit, then maybe use it in situations outside of school, like day-to-day life..

We're already made spectacles enough of for being foreigners.. I wouldn't want my students to go "OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!" every single time they hear me say a word in Korean.. also, I wouldn't wanna make it seem like I was trying to show-off. If something really needed to be translated, you CT would help you.

Just my opinion.

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Re: Foreign teacher speaking Korean in class
« Reply #149 on: September 28, 2011, 03:40:31 pm »
I think it can be useful. When I worked in a hagwon there was a "no English" rule, which was flimsily enforced at best. Like others I'm a bit embarrassed to speak Korean, but I think if it can make the class run smoother or increase understanding, what's the harm in that?

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Re: Foreign teacher speaking Korean in class
« Reply #150 on: September 29, 2011, 09:44:14 am »
sometime I accidently speak some korean words.

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Re: Foreign teacher speaking Korean in class
« Reply #151 on: October 04, 2011, 01:17:27 pm »
I question our need as English teachers to completely abandon the Korean language in the classroom if it will help the students to be better learners.  I heard that our brain can process better if native language is used wisely when learning a second language. 


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Re: Foreign teacher speaking Korean in class
« Reply #152 on: October 28, 2011, 11:43:02 am »
Well, there are many schools of thought when it comes to ESL learning. Now, I had studied these briefly in my education classes in college, but as my focus wasn't ESL, but rather general education, I'm a little fuzzy.

What we (Native English Teachers) should ideally be doing is a type of immersion program. We offer no supplemental (mother tongue) instruction, and speak only in English. This is compared to a 'sink-or-swim' approach. This has its benefits in that it forces students to quickly adapt and learn, but this is not true immersion. In the one hour that we have with them, students need to learn English in order to understand us, but outside of our classroom there is no external pressure to learn, so this isn't so much sink-or-swim as it is taking a bath. (HOLY RUN-ON SENTENCE, BATMAN)
(EDIT: This approach is the direct method. Thank you, Wikipedia)

Then, our co-teachers, in their regular classes, offer instruction in the mother language while teaching basic vocabulary and phrases. This is very academic, so in my opinion there is not much 'learning' happening here. Rather, this is an exercise in rote memorization. And although this highly technical style of learning teaches the mechanics of language, there is little art to it.

Now, in my first job as an elementary school NET, I utilized a little Korean. The only times I used Korean were to explain the rules of games (after I first said them in English), or to teach more advanced grammar. Slowly, but surely, with continued prompts, my students learned English and I could teach grammatical terms and content in all English. By the end of the year, I was explaining how to parse sentences in English and my students understood me.

This is because our minds create a bridge between terms. If someone who has never seen a donkey before is shown a donkey and told that it was a donkey, there is no prior knowledge for that person to build off of. However, if we were to explain this this animal (the donkey) is a cousin of the horse (which they are familiar with), then a bridge of knowledge can be created that links this new information to old information, thus helping to solidify its place in his/her brain.
It's the same principle. In order for ESL students to learn English, they cannot have vocabulary thrust upon them, that's why we use pictures and body language to convey our message and lesson.
But, if a NET were able to further create a bridge, by providing students with the Korean word/translation side-by-side, students can create a rock solid foundation with which to learn English. Also, a NET who is proficient in Korean can share cultural knowledge and provide a more appropriate translation. 

EX.
A friend of mine stated, "Bah, humbug!" When a mutual Korean friend attempted to translate, he found that the word 'humbug' meant '사기' (fraud, or con). Of course, Koreans do not have the cultural knowledge of Ebenezer Scrooge, so a literal translation does not convey the feeling of the phrase. A NET who is proficient in Korean can provide a more appropriate translation and vice versa.

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Re: Foreign teacher speaking Korean in class
« Reply #153 on: November 02, 2011, 09:54:00 am »
sometime I accidently speak some korean words.


Sometimes using Korean will concentrate the students.
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Re: Foreign teacher speaking Korean in class
« Reply #154 on: November 02, 2011, 02:48:32 pm »

Sometimes using Korean will concentrate the students.

Because Korean is a language that brings people closer together.

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Re: Foreign teacher speaking Korean in class
« Reply #155 on: November 03, 2011, 03:13:07 pm »
I believe Bumsuk is trying to say that in this context, 'focus' would be a better choice than 'concentrate'.
His two scoops of snide make it difficult for one to realize he is trying to correct.

Please re-consider your method of correction. It can be extremely disheartening for a person (especially one who is learning) to be faced with hostility. Our job isn't to cut people down, but rather nurture them.  ;D