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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #180 on: April 08, 2011, 08:16:02 pm »
I recently joint about ten days ago.
I believe I am one of the newbies creating a download issue.
I'm actually in China.  I was surprised when I found this site, cos I've been trailling the net for lesson plans and games for the past six months
I found this site with a google search for I think a lesson about the weather.  So perhaps google china has made changes?

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #181 on: April 09, 2011, 10:01:19 am »
To those who maintain this website - Thank you for all your hard work!  This site has made my stay here in Korea infinitely more pleasant and less stressful.  As soon as I can get PayPal to accept my credit card I will subscribe and donate. 

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #182 on: April 09, 2011, 11:31:32 am »
I've donated but still  can't seem to download anything. .. -_-;

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #183 on: April 09, 2011, 11:40:39 am »
What happened to the ChipIn donation amount? The last time I saw it, it was over $500 and over 20%. Now it reads $270 and 10%?

Also, for those of us who donated previously through ChipIn, can this be linked to our accounts to show our support for waygook?

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #184 on: April 09, 2011, 11:43:24 am »
hi guys,

im a newbie here, I'dlove to help donate but am not really sure how the previously mentioned ways work.

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #185 on: April 09, 2011, 12:13:51 pm »
What happened to the ChipIn donation amount? The last time I saw it, it was over $500 and over 20%. Now it reads $270 and 10%?

Also, for those of us who donated previously through ChipIn, can this be linked to our accounts to show our support for waygook?

Clear your browser cache, it's at 40% right now (Fri April 8th 2011).  :D  The chipin feature is voluntary like the subscription one, but the subscription one is the only one that will update your profile to "fanatical supporter!" status and allow you to download.  The chipin feature is just there to help out if you feel generous. :)

Best way to donate is through subscriptions as it will update your status:
SUBSCRIPTION PAGE

If an updated status isn't needed, then chipin is the way to go.  See top right corner of page. :)
« Last Edit: April 09, 2011, 12:17:06 pm by Arsalan »
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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #186 on: April 09, 2011, 12:24:48 pm »
Thanks, I see it now. Over $1000! Keep it up waygook fans!

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« Reply #187 on: April 09, 2011, 07:05:02 pm »
Thanks for coming up with such a fair solution. I'd willingly pay more than the $10 charge as this site saves me untold hassle when the mind goes blank . . .

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« Reply #188 on: April 09, 2011, 09:26:25 pm »
Last month I really enjoyed this site's ppt in class. Students liked that very much. Thank you.

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« Reply #189 on: April 09, 2011, 11:54:08 pm »
As someone else mentioned, this site has become known and is very popular among Korean co-teachers now.  This is undoubtedly what caused the huge surge.  It really doesn't surprise me as most Korean co-teachers I know love to copy other people's ideas/activities instead of thinking of/making their own.  Having been here for a few years now, I notice that whenever I revisit a lesson with a different co-teacher they use the EXACT SAME PPT slides and activities as the previous teacher.  There are several Korean sites which KET use religiously for lessons with adaptation.

I personally find it frustrating that many KET take pre-fabricated lessons and teach them exactly as found.  This bothers me because: 1)I'm an certified teacher back in my home country and we learn that personalizing/modifying lessons to our interests, passions, strengths as teachers but more importantly to the needs and interests of our students is extremely important.  2) KET's learn these exact same educational theories and philosophy but ignore them.  3) The students get really bored of doing the few same activities, learning strategies OVER and OVER and OVER again.

As a professional teacher, collegiality and sharing of resources really helps to improve the quality of lessons and education.  It's also a tremendous help to new teachers.  However, copying resources without contributing new ones and using them without modifications to accommodate the teacher's teaching style and the needs of the students only waters down the resources, lessons and education.  I maintain my own site of lesson plans and share it with fellow NET's in my region because I know and trust them to adapt my materials and lesson plans to their classes while reciprocally sharing their ideas with me.  I use to share my site with the extra class (cheryeong class - sorry no korean keyboard) KET's until I realized they were taking my exact lessons and resources and teaching it to my students before my scheduled class so the students had already completed the activities, played the games, knew the answers/tricks and were bored because they didn't want to repeat the same lesson twice in a row.

It's probably too late but I'd like to suggest that rather than charging a fee for all members, restrict membership access to NET's by way of Alien Registration Card number.  The ARC number is composed of 13 digits with the first 8 digits indicating birthday and the 9th digit indicating sex and origin.
For the 9th digit it's as follows: 5 (foreign male 1900-1999), 6 (foreign female 1900-1999), 7 (foreign male 2000-2099), 8 (foreign female 2000-2099). 
In addition, I think the idea of having a minimum of 5 posted resources in order to download freely is a great idea.  But for brand new NET teachers with little to no training this task could seem daunting.  Perhaps a trial or grace period could be allowed...ex: 5 free downloads or 1 month trial, then 5 resources must be uploaded by that member before they can access further/unlimited downloads.
 
I'm suggesting this for the above reasons, because KET's already have access to several very large and extensive lesson planning sites, while this is really the only site of comparison for NET's (good job waygook!)  This would help to ensure that NET's have one exceptional resource with untapped/fresh ideas.  I'd also like to add that one of the main reasons NET's are hired and placed in Korean schools is for our fresh ideas, activities and our ability to teach the culture.  If these are all packaged up in nice tidy PPTs, worksheets, activities, games and made accessible to KET's, not only may they be used out of context or incorrectly, but NET jobs here become redundant...might as well upload this site onto the new teaching robots :P

For any KET's reading this:  I do not think ALL KET's teachers copy & paste materials without contributing and ignore the need to adapt/modify lessons for their students.  I have met a few, though rare, KET's who make original creative lessons, use a variety of activities and learning strategies to engage student interest and help them improve, adapt my resources well, and share ideas of their own.  Unfortunately, the majority of KET's I've met, known, taught with, heard about have ruined it for the few which really strive to make a difference in English education in Korea.

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #190 on: April 10, 2011, 01:53:26 am »
I don't have paypal so I really know how other people feel. Most of the people don't have paypal, since they teach in Korea.

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« Reply #191 on: April 10, 2011, 10:00:01 am »
As someone else mentioned, this site has become known and is very popular among Korean co-teachers now.  This is undoubtedly what caused the huge surge.  It really doesn't surprise me as most Korean co-teachers I know love to copy other people's ideas/activities instead of thinking of/making their own.  Having been here for a few years now, I notice that whenever I revisit a lesson with a different co-teacher they use the EXACT SAME PPT slides and activities as the previous teacher.  There are several Korean sites which KET use religiously for lessons with adaptation.

I personally find it frustrating that many KET take pre-fabricated lessons and teach them exactly as found.  This bothers me because: 1)I'm an certified teacher back in my home country and we learn that personalizing/modifying lessons to our interests, passions, strengths as teachers but more importantly to the needs and interests of our students is extremely important.  2) KET's learn these exact same educational theories and philosophy but ignore them.  3) The students get really bored of doing the few same activities, learning strategies OVER and OVER and OVER again.

As a professional teacher, collegiality and sharing of resources really helps to improve the quality of lessons and education.  It's also a tremendous help to new teachers.  However, copying resources without contributing new ones and using them without modifications to accommodate the teacher's teaching style and the needs of the students only waters down the resources, lessons and education.  I maintain my own site of lesson plans and share it with fellow NET's in my region because I know and trust them to adapt my materials and lesson plans to their classes while reciprocally sharing their ideas with me.  I use to share my site with the extra class (cheryeong class - sorry no korean keyboard) KET's until I realized they were taking my exact lessons and resources and teaching it to my students before my scheduled class so the students had already completed the activities, played the games, knew the answers/tricks and were bored because they didn't want to repeat the same lesson twice in a row.

It's probably too late but I'd like to suggest that rather than charging a fee for all members, restrict membership access to NET's by way of Alien Registration Card number.  The ARC number is composed of 13 digits with the first 8 digits indicating birthday and the 9th digit indicating sex and origin.
For the 9th digit it's as follows: 5 (foreign male 1900-1999), 6 (foreign female 1900-1999), 7 (foreign male 2000-2099), 8 (foreign female 2000-2099). 
In addition, I think the idea of having a minimum of 5 posted resources in order to download freely is a great idea.  But for brand new NET teachers with little to no training this task could seem daunting.  Perhaps a trial or grace period could be allowed...ex: 5 free downloads or 1 month trial, then 5 resources must be uploaded by that member before they can access further/unlimited downloads.
 
I'm suggesting this for the above reasons, because KET's already have access to several very large and extensive lesson planning sites, while this is really the only site of comparison for NET's (good job waygook!)  This would help to ensure that NET's have one exceptional resource with untapped/fresh ideas.  I'd also like to add that one of the main reasons NET's are hired and placed in Korean schools is for our fresh ideas, activities and our ability to teach the culture.  If these are all packaged up in nice tidy PPTs, worksheets, activities, games and made accessible to KET's, not only may they be used out of context or incorrectly, but NET jobs here become redundant...might as well upload this site onto the new teaching robots :P

For any KET's reading this:  I do not think ALL KET's teachers copy & paste materials without contributing and ignore the need to adapt/modify lessons for their students.  I have met a few, though rare, KET's who make original creative lessons, use a variety of activities and learning strategies to engage student interest and help them improve, adapt my resources well, and share ideas of their own.  Unfortunately, the majority of KET's I've met, known, taught with, heard about have ruined it for the few which really strive to make a difference in English education in Korea.

LIKE! you make a very good point, but I think it may be too late :(

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #192 on: April 10, 2011, 10:08:00 am »
As someone else mentioned, this site has become known and is very popular among Korean co-teachers now.  This is undoubtedly what caused the huge surge.  It really doesn't surprise me as most Korean co-teachers I know love to copy other people's ideas/activities instead of thinking of/making their own.  Having been here for a few years now, I notice that whenever I revisit a lesson with a different co-teacher they use the EXACT SAME PPT slides and activities as the previous teacher.  There are several Korean sites which KET use religiously for lessons with adaptation.

I personally find it frustrating that many KET take pre-fabricated lessons and teach them exactly as found.  This bothers me because: 1)I'm an certified teacher back in my home country and we learn that personalizing/modifying lessons to our interests, passions, strengths as teachers but more importantly to the needs and interests of our students is extremely important.  2) KET's learn these exact same educational theories and philosophy but ignore them.  3) The students get really bored of doing the few same activities, learning strategies OVER and OVER and OVER again.

As a professional teacher, collegiality and sharing of resources really helps to improve the quality of lessons and education.  It's also a tremendous help to new teachers.  However, copying resources without contributing new ones and using them without modifications to accommodate the teacher's teaching style and the needs of the students only waters down the resources, lessons and education.  I maintain my own site of lesson plans and share it with fellow NET's in my region because I know and trust them to adapt my materials and lesson plans to their classes while reciprocally sharing their ideas with me.  I use to share my site with the extra class (cheryeong class - sorry no korean keyboard) KET's until I realized they were taking my exact lessons and resources and teaching it to my students before my scheduled class so the students had already completed the activities, played the games, knew the answers/tricks and were bored because they didn't want to repeat the same lesson twice in a row.

It's probably too late but I'd like to suggest that rather than charging a fee for all members, restrict membership access to NET's by way of Alien Registration Card number.  The ARC number is composed of 13 digits with the first 8 digits indicating birthday and the 9th digit indicating sex and origin.
For the 9th digit it's as follows: 5 (foreign male 1900-1999), 6 (foreign female 1900-1999), 7 (foreign male 2000-2099), 8 (foreign female 2000-2099). 
In addition, I think the idea of having a minimum of 5 posted resources in order to download freely is a great idea.  But for brand new NET teachers with little to no training this task could seem daunting.  Perhaps a trial or grace period could be allowed...ex: 5 free downloads or 1 month trial, then 5 resources must be uploaded by that member before they can access further/unlimited downloads.
 
I'm suggesting this for the above reasons, because KET's already have access to several very large and extensive lesson planning sites, while this is really the only site of comparison for NET's (good job waygook!)  This would help to ensure that NET's have one exceptional resource with untapped/fresh ideas.  I'd also like to add that one of the main reasons NET's are hired and placed in Korean schools is for our fresh ideas, activities and our ability to teach the culture.  If these are all packaged up in nice tidy PPTs, worksheets, activities, games and made accessible to KET's, not only may they be used out of context or incorrectly, but NET jobs here become redundant...might as well upload this site onto the new teaching robots :P

For any KET's reading this:  I do not think ALL KET's teachers copy & paste materials without contributing and ignore the need to adapt/modify lessons for their students.  I have met a few, though rare, KET's who make original creative lessons, use a variety of activities and learning strategies to engage student interest and help them improve, adapt my resources well, and share ideas of their own.  Unfortunately, the majority of KET's I've met, known, taught with, heard about have ruined it for the few which really strive to make a difference in English education in Korea.

some good points, but it might be better if KETs use materials created by NETs more often since materials made by NETs are likely to contain fewer grammatical and spelling errors.
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« Reply #193 on: April 10, 2011, 10:22:56 am »
Yep, those are some excellent points.  As I've mentioned a few times before, the name of this site is waygook.org, and while we encourage sharing and cross-cultural understanding, this site was created because of the complete lack of resources available to foreign English teachers here.  While Korean English teachers have access to numerous websites and tools---hell, the English teachers' guides are all in Korean---we are left completely on our own, and this site was created to help ease the burden and sense of isolation.  This is a hell of a site, and I don't want to see lessons here stolen and used by Koreans without attribution and for their own personal gain.  I also don't want to see lessons here stolen and reuploaded to Korean-language lesson plan databases. 

I don't think we'll ever go to an NET-only site.  There are over 1,000 Korean members here (judging by looking at email addresses used), but only 2 that have reached the 5-post limit.  But to be fair only about 25% of our total members have reached the 5-post limit (and more than half of registered members have never posted anything), so there are a lot of leeches on both sides. 

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« Reply #194 on: April 10, 2011, 12:05:22 pm »
Yep, those are some excellent points.  As I've mentioned a few times before, the name of this site is waygook.org, and while we encourage sharing and cross-cultural understanding, this site was created because of the complete lack of resources available to foreign English teachers here.  While Korean English teachers have access to numerous websites and tools---hell, the English teachers' guides are all in Korean---we are left completely on our own, and this site was created to help ease the burden and sense of isolation.  This is a hell of a site, and I don't want to see lessons here stolen and used by Koreans without attribution and for their own personal gain.  I also don't want to see lessons here stolen and reuploaded to Korean-language lesson plan databases. 

I don't think we'll ever go to an NET-only site.  There are over 1,000 Korean members here (judging by looking at email addresses used), but only 2 that have reached the 5-post limit.  But to be fair only about 25% of our total members have reached the 5-post limit (and more than half of registered members have never posted anything), so there are a lot of leeches on both sides.

Very good points. Do keep up the good work.

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« Reply #195 on: April 10, 2011, 12:17:19 pm »
I like the idea of donating through a Korean bank account.  I really dislike paypal.

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« Reply #196 on: April 10, 2011, 04:35:09 pm »
Totally understandable! Waygook has been a great help to me. Cheers, R

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« Reply #197 on: April 10, 2011, 04:38:56 pm »
Waygook is an excellent resource. I plan to donate some lesson plans sooner or later! Thank you for your continuing hard work!

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« Reply #198 on: April 10, 2011, 05:07:28 pm »
At least 2 people have mentioned that membership access should be restricted to Native English Teachers. I completely agree. Membership access should be restricted.

Korean teachers already have at least two national sites available to them. I-Scream (www.i-scream.co.kr) and Indischool (www.indischool.co.kr).

I-Scream and Indischool are restricted to Korean teachers. Korean teachers have to enter their teacher license numbers.

I-Scream and Indischool offer games, flash videos/animation, and songs/chants for every single subject (including English).

If they choose to do so, Korean teachers can just sit back and kill 15-20 minutes of class time with the material available on I-Scream and Indischool.

By contrast, we native English teachers have to prove ourselves every day. Most of the time, I feel like I have to perform every single day for every single class.

Korean teachers don't realize that they have so many advantages.

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« Reply #199 on: April 10, 2011, 06:28:34 pm »
This site is really useful to many foreigners. Keep up the good work. I'll definitely post few of my own materials to exchange ideas