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Re: South African Pronunciation!!
« Reply #80 on: June 03, 2011, 03:17:42 pm »
'And to those of you that disagree... JOU MA!'  :P

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Re: South African Pronunciation!!
« Reply #81 on: June 03, 2011, 03:33:43 pm »
T T t t.. TUKS FM.... JOU MA!!!  :P
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Re: South African Pronunciation!!
« Reply #82 on: June 03, 2011, 03:36:58 pm »
I don't know about you guys, but i can understand everything this guy is saying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc3f4xU_FfQ


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Re: South African Pronunciation!!
« Reply #83 on: June 03, 2011, 04:59:08 pm »
Chaps dont change that-hot-dam-accent.For those of you that do...

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Re: South African Pronunciation!!
« Reply #84 on: June 03, 2011, 05:54:07 pm »
I don't know about you guys, but i can understand everything this guy is saying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc3f4xU_FfQ
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Re: South African Pronunciation!!
« Reply #85 on: June 03, 2011, 06:24:28 pm »
i am a black guy from south africa and the kids has become used to my accent !
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Re: South African Pronunciation!!
« Reply #86 on: June 03, 2011, 06:36:14 pm »
i am a black guy from south africa and the kids has become used to my accent !

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Re: South African Pronunciation!!
« Reply #87 on: June 03, 2011, 06:45:31 pm »
i am a black guy from south africa and the kids has become used to my accent !
Honestly, 'the kids has'!?? You're giving us a bad name here.
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Re: South African Pronunciation!!
« Reply #88 on: June 03, 2011, 07:57:19 pm »
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i am a black guy from south africa and the kids has become used to my accent !

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I absolutely hate meeting Saffas that has changed there accent, I want to klap them ,and tell them djy sal jou wat verbeel!


Nice use of the English language in the above quotes. For those Saffas who aren't L1 speakers. Some homework for the long weekend. There/their/have/has/i vs I, also capitalization of proper nouns.

We are supposed to be teaching English(accents aside) if you can't get the simple things right perhaps you better 'klap' yourself.

Lastly, there are plenty of people who know no English in South Africa(several of the workers on my friends farm speak only isiXhosa).

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Re: South African Pronunciation!!
« Reply #89 on: June 03, 2011, 08:24:31 pm »
I don't know about you guys, but i can understand everything this guy is saying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc3f4xU_FfQ
please...PLEASE ... tell me this is not a real S.A. pop music act .... haha   
but on the positive side .. at least the guy is an equal opportunity employer (hiring albinos and people with progeria syndrome).... :laugh:

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Re: South African Pronunciation!!
« Reply #90 on: June 03, 2011, 09:25:14 pm »
To throw in my two cents... I am an American and I have had a lot of trouble understanding South Africans pronunciation. I don't think this is because they pronounce it incorrectly, but because I have never been exposed to the accent before. I can understand how it would be confusing to kids who are trying to learn a new language to have the 'rules' change every time they get a new teacher. If I am a fluent English speaker and I have trouble understanding some South African accents, I don't expect the students to be better at it. Some South Africans I have no problem with, but some I had to listen very closely and ask them to repeat things. Again, not their problem but mine. However, I can understand why a school would want to 'pick one and stick with it' instead of changing pronunciations. I'm not saying I agree with it, but just that I can understand it from their perspective and I could see why they would want to do it that way.
That being said, the school hires you knowing where you come from and what accent you have is part of the package. If they want an American accent taught, they should hire an American teacher. If they don't want the American accent taught, hire a non-American.

Also, our contracts basically say that we are here to do what the school asks us to, whatever that is, so I'd be careful about openly refusing to do something. (Do it the Korean way where you say 'yes I'll change my accent' but then don't. And if they inquire about it you say 'what?' :) )

Maybe you could even start with a lesson about pronunciation and how it's different between nations - highlight some of the key phrases your students have trouble with and practice letting them hear your pronunciation when they know what it means. I find it helps my students if I am really clear about what I expect them to do and know in class.


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Re: South African Pronunciation!!
« Reply #91 on: June 03, 2011, 10:05:38 pm »
I'm an American and personally I've never had too much trouble understanding South African accents. Actually, I think they sound pretty cool. I also think that it is a good idea to expose our students to a variety of accents. If the reason South Korea wants to study English is to keep up with the global market then they need to be prepared to handle different ways of speaking. That said, lets not go pointing the fingers at us Americans now. Its the Koreans who decided to use American pronunciation in the classroom, not us.

I imagine that if any South Africans went to a random bar in the US and spoke couple sentences you'd become instantly popular. I didn't have any South African friends at home but I had a few English and Australian friends and they loved all the positive attention they got. The same can't be said for us Americans who travel abroad. In my experience its always been met with as much negativity as the positive stuff. Anyways, I say don't change your accent just to satisfy your close-minded principal or boss or whatever. Do what you think is best for your students.

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Re: South African Pronunciation!!
« Reply #92 on: June 04, 2011, 05:32:10 am »
I'm American and at my orientation, I found that some SA accents were quite pleasant and easy to understand but others were nearly incomprehensible. I wonder if there are different dialects that dominate parts of SA like Southern or Minnesotan accents in America.

Anyway, presently, there's a charming and beautiful SA girl living almost next door to me who I have no problem understanding. But an  experience that really sticks out in my mind is one that happened during orientation.

I had mentioned to some South Africans that the seating charts for the buses to the field trip location had been posted. One of them replied back to me "What's you neem?" (Which is what I heard). So I replied "My name is Jesse." She did a double take and then deliberately enunciated "What - do - you - mean?" But I still had to strain my ears to discern the meaning of this question. I was quite confused. After noticing the perplexed look on my face, one of the other South Africans in the group rephrased the question into "How do you know?" This question I understood. So I explained to them and went on my way.

My conclusion is that it depends on the individual South African as to whether their accent may pose an issue or not.
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Re: South African Pronunciation!!
« Reply #93 on: June 04, 2011, 06:45:30 am »
I'm a kiwi and even though I've mellowed out my tone I still sound like a kiwi.

I've met people who have changed their accent to American and it's just weird, especially when you find out where they're from.

On a side note for the 4th grade elementary school tapes.  That lady with the American accent, especially for phonics time is truly horrendous.  The was she pronounces words really grates me. Why does today become taaday ,   when does Tuesday become Toosday etc...  My co-teacher cracked up when I said she sounded uneducated.

I've been here a few years and to me my favorite Korean English accent is just that.  A Korean person speaking English,  not a Korean person speaking American English.  Whenever I've mentioned this to Koreans they all seem to agree with me  and understand where I'm coming from

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Re: South African Pronunciation!!
« Reply #94 on: July 08, 2011, 03:43:50 pm »
I'm American and at my orientation, I found that some SA accents were quite pleasant and easy to understand but others were nearly incomprehensible. I wonder if there are different dialects that dominate parts of SA like Southern or Minnesotan accents in America.

Anyway, presently, there's a charming and beautiful SA girl living almost next door to me who I have no problem understanding. But an  experience that really sticks out in my mind is one that happened during orientation.

I had mentioned to some South Africans that the seating charts for the buses to the field trip location had been posted. One of them replied back to me "What's you neem?" (Which is what I heard). So I replied "My name is Jesse." She did a double take and then deliberately enunciated "What - do - you - mean?" But I still had to strain my ears to discern the meaning of this question. I was quite confused. After noticing the perplexed look on my face, one of the other South Africans in the group rephrased the question into "How do you know?" This question I understood. So I explained to them and went on my way.

My conclusion is that it depends on the individual South African as to whether their accent may pose an issue or not.
Yes, there are many different accents in South Africa but no dialects. Since most of us grow up speaking English and Afrikaans, we kinda have a strange accent, but accents in England are the same. You can go from one town to the next and hear a completely different accent. Anyway, there are 4 distinct accents, "England accent", Afrikaaner accent, African Accent and Colored accent  (which is the one you probably heard). I have had problems with hagwons about my accent but now I'm working for a public school and everything is well.

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Re: South African Pronunciation!!
« Reply #95 on: July 08, 2011, 05:57:52 pm »
I'm American and at my orientation, I found that some SA accents were quite pleasant and easy to understand but others were nearly incomprehensible. I wonder if there are different dialects that dominate parts of SA like Southern or Minnesotan accents in America.

Anyway, presently, there's a charming and beautiful SA girl living almost next door to me who I have no problem understanding. But an  experience that really sticks out in my mind is one that happened during orientation.

I had mentioned to some South Africans that the seating charts for the buses to the field trip location had been posted. One of them replied back to me "What's you neem?" (Which is what I heard). So I replied "My name is Jesse." She did a double take and then deliberately enunciated "What - do - you - mean?" But I still had to strain my ears to discern the meaning of this question. I was quite confused. After noticing the perplexed look on my face, one of the other South Africans in the group rephrased the question into "How do you know?" This question I understood. So I explained to them and went on my way.

My conclusion is that it depends on the individual South African as to whether their accent may pose an issue or not.
Yes, there are many different accents in South Africa but no dialects. Since most of us grow up speaking English and Afrikaans, we kinda have a strange accent, but accents in England are the same. You can go from one town to the next and hear a completely different accent. Anyway, there are 4 distinct accents, "England accent", Afrikaaner accent, African Accent and Colored accent  (which is the one you probably heard). I have had problems with hagwons about my accent but now I'm working for a public school and everything is well.

Of course we have dialects!  The English that is synonymous with the Cape Coloureds is very different to that spoken by people outside of this area.  Similarly, the English in Cape Town is a slightly different dialect to that of Jhb and other parts of the country.  What exactly is an "African accent"? Call a spade a spade - it's a Black accent and I think that this is too great a generalisation for this group anyway.  There is definitely a distinct British, Afrikaans, Coloured and 'general' Black English accent but there's also a fifth 'white' accent that doesn't quite fit into British or the Afrikaans accent.  My accent is distinctly British (thanks to speech therapy and a British dad) while my sister's and my mom's accents are less English sounding but definitely not Afrikaans influenced since we're native English speakers.

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Re: South African Pronunciation!!
« Reply #96 on: July 08, 2011, 07:20:34 pm »
My co-teachers loved my accent the first time they heard it and are now trying to learn it. Interestingly, they said it is much clearer than an American accent.

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« Reply #97 on: July 12, 2011, 01:38:26 pm »
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« Reply #98 on: July 12, 2011, 02:00:14 pm »
Basically, some SA's are easy to understand while others have a heavier accent.  Pretty much the same for Australians and New Zealander's.  Just depends which area you are from and how much you are exposed to speaking it.

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« Reply #99 on: July 12, 2011, 02:38:53 pm »
Surprisingly, after 8 months at my school, my co teachers informed me they we’re really satisfied with having a British speaker in the school, after years of Canadians.  They said British English was so much clearer and easier to understand compared to the lazy loud Canadian accent from the previous 2 teacher’s

I guess it just comes down to exposure.