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Offline ejmclaine

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Re: NongHyup troubles
« Reply #180 on: April 14, 2011, 03:29:44 pm »
I would be less apathetic if I thought changing banks would make a difference. I just think that most people don't really understand the fundamentals of the financial system in general.

Essentially, it goes something like this.
1. The government asks the Federal Reserve for money.
2. It gives them a piece of paper (bond) that says they'll pay it back 'someday'.
3. The Fed prints money and hands it over.
4. The government is supposed to pay back the principal + interest.
5. Problem: The interest is never printed, and thus can never be paid.
6. Banks are allowed to 'lend' money with only a 10% reserve, which means for every 1$ you give the bank, they can lend 10$ to someone else. Of course they don't actually HAVE this money, they're just creating it out of nothing and signing a piece of paper that says you have access to it, in hopes that the borrower actually WILL pay it back once you go to work and earn it (plus interest of course).
7. Lots of people aren't able to pay it back.
8. The banks are giving millions to their employees in salaries and bonuses, even though the money only exists on paper.
9. As soon as people catch wind, and try to withdraw their actual PHYSICAL money (which doesn't exist anymore, since it was given away) the entire system collapses.

The system is created so that inflation occurs indefinitely, 'compensating' for the fact that we have more interest to pay and no physical cash with which to do that. The only reason this system was set up in the first place was so that the people in power could toy with us, to enslave us, to put us in a state of perpetual debt. The sooner everyone realizes this, and accepts that there is no inherent worth in a piece of paper with a number on it, the sooner we can take back our freedom and diminish the wealth of the cowards who created the system in the first place.

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Re: NongHyup troubles
« Reply #181 on: April 14, 2011, 03:36:13 pm »
I just went to the bank.  There was a line in the lobby, but an employee was directing people to the ATMs.  I used the Nonghyup ATM with just my bankbook (the check card still doesn't work--they said they should work tomorrow.)

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Re: NongHyup troubles
« Reply #182 on: April 14, 2011, 04:46:45 pm »
My local NH ATM still doesn't work, bankbook or no.   >:(  I'm in Siheung.  Anybody in Incheon have luck with the ATMs there?

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Re: NongHyup troubles
« Reply #183 on: April 14, 2011, 06:34:18 pm »
My part of daejeon and then my friend also in yongcheon doesn't work bank book or card or whatever

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Re: NongHyup troubles
« Reply #184 on: April 14, 2011, 06:35:54 pm »
My local NH atm machines finally worked. I finally got to transfer the money. It was around 5pm.

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Re: NongHyup troubles
« Reply #185 on: April 14, 2011, 07:22:42 pm »
One of the Siheung (Gyeonggi) NH branches left their lobby open after hours so people could come in, but I noticed people were using ATMs too, so I tried and succeeded with my bank book.  The card still didn't work though.  I did get the cash I needed, but the card was still giving me that error message.  At least it's something.

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Re: NongHyup troubles
« Reply #186 on: April 14, 2011, 08:22:39 pm »
I didn't read the whole thread and don't know much about what's going on, but are transfers to other banks still working?

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« Reply #187 on: April 14, 2011, 08:24:31 pm »
apparently it's still down...sucks!

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Re: NongHyup troubles
« Reply #188 on: April 14, 2011, 08:37:17 pm »
I think when eventually they get things working again, take your money elsewhere. I am not sure about here but if in were anywhere else that bank would be screwed.
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Re: NongHyup troubles
« Reply #189 on: April 14, 2011, 08:57:52 pm »
My NH debit card is still as dead as Steven Seagal's film career.  :'(

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Re: NongHyup troubles
« Reply #190 on: April 14, 2011, 09:27:42 pm »
 going to the pub with pockets bulging full of 100 won coins, not a great look.. you'd be surprised at how 100 or so coins tests (and at some points exceeds) the tensile strength of your belt buckle.. damn you to hell Nong hyub, let me spend my money!

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Re: NongHyup troubles
« Reply #191 on: April 14, 2011, 10:51:06 pm »
I would be less apathetic if I thought changing banks would make a difference. I just think that most people don't really understand the fundamentals of the financial system in general.

Essentially, it goes something like this.
1. The government asks the Federal Reserve for money.
2. It gives them a piece of paper (bond) that says they'll pay it back 'someday'.
3. The Fed prints money and hands it over.
4. The government is supposed to pay back the principal + interest.
5. Problem: The interest is never printed, and thus can never be paid.
6. Banks are allowed to 'lend' money with only a 10% reserve, which means for every 1$ you give the bank, they can lend 10$ to someone else. Of course they don't actually HAVE this money, they're just creating it out of nothing and signing a piece of paper that says you have access to it, in hopes that the borrower actually WILL pay it back once you go to work and earn it (plus interest of course).
7. Lots of people aren't able to pay it back.
8. The banks are giving millions to their employees in salaries and bonuses, even though the money only exists on paper.
9. As soon as people catch wind, and try to withdraw their actual PHYSICAL money (which doesn't exist anymore, since it was given away) the entire system collapses.

The system is created so that inflation occurs indefinitely, 'compensating' for the fact that we have more interest to pay and no physical cash with which to do that. The only reason this system was set up in the first place was so that the people in power could toy with us, to enslave us, to put us in a state of perpetual debt. The sooner everyone realizes this, and accepts that there is no inherent worth in a piece of paper with a number on it, the sooner we can take back our freedom and diminish the wealth of the cowards who created the system in the first place.

Very well put, best explanation I have heard in a while of our unbalanced capitalist banking systems.

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Re: NongHyup troubles
« Reply #192 on: April 15, 2011, 12:32:59 am »
One of the Siheung (Gyeonggi) NH branches left their lobby open after hours so people could come in, but I noticed people were using ATMs too, so I tried and succeeded with my bank book.  The card still didn't work though.  I did get the cash I needed, but the card was still giving me that error message.  At least it's something.

Which branch?

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Re: NongHyup troubles
« Reply #193 on: April 15, 2011, 07:35:29 am »
I got money out today in Jeju. thank goodness!

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Re: NongHyup troubles
« Reply #194 on: April 15, 2011, 07:38:57 am »
I didn't read the whole thread and don't know much about what's going on, but are transfers to other banks still working?

Sorry if this is late.  You can transfer online from NH to another bank.  At least another Korean bank.  I transfered my 6000 won in my NH bank to a Hana account at about 6pm yesterday.  I've read international transfers should be good too.

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Re: NongHyup troubles
« Reply #195 on: April 15, 2011, 07:43:57 am »
I was able to use my card at the ATM in Daejeon this morning with no problems.  I did have some creepy guy looking over my shoulder the entire time I was at the machine and then when my reciept came out he took it right out of my hand and started looking at it.  I think he may have worked at the bank but am not sure.  Anyway I grabbed my reciept back, took my money and left.

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Re: NongHyup troubles
« Reply #196 on: April 15, 2011, 07:44:54 am »
You know of course, this is all Google's and Firefox's fault........   :) :) :) ;D
Everything is not as it seems.

No one owes you anything.... get over it.

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Re: NongHyup troubles
« Reply #197 on: April 15, 2011, 07:53:23 am »
Today is my payday, I think it's the same for all GEPIK teachers. Fingers crossed that our money can get transferred.

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Re: NongHyup troubles
« Reply #198 on: April 15, 2011, 08:19:18 am »
I think when eventually they get things working again, take your money elsewhere. I am not sure about here but if in were anywhere else that bank would be screwed.

If everyone did this you would probably find that you would be in more problems than before. The bank goes under as everyone makes a run on withdrawals and you never end up getting all your cash...I wouldn't over-react.

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Re: NongHyup troubles
« Reply #199 on: April 15, 2011, 08:24:45 am »
So apparently you are, and always have been, able to withdraw cash with your passbook but not your card. This explains why i've been standing next to koreans getting stacks of cash out and when its my turn i get an error message in korean! I havent tried it yet but this is what i've heard. Fingers crossed!!