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Offline rpgraham

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Re: The 7 major English speaking countries.
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2011, 03:37:12 PM »
For many South Africans and Canadians, English is not their first language.  For many Filipinos, Nigerians, and Indians (among others...Ghanaians, Trinidadians, etc), English is their first language. 

But in Korea, there are 7.  4 seasons, 7 English-speaking countries.

I personally like the idea of a culture lesson about those 7, while also acknowledging--and teaching--that they are NOT the only 7 English-speaking countries.
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Re: The 7 major English speaking countries.
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2011, 03:54:00 PM »
OK, fair enough. So go make PowerPoints for all those countries too, then. Sheesh  :D
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Re: The 7 major English speaking countries.
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2011, 04:05:16 PM »
----For many South Africans and Canadians, English is not their first language.  For many Filipinos, Nigerians, and Indians (among others...Ghanaians, Trinidadians, etc), English is their first language.----

About 23% of Canadians are French, the rest are English, let's not throw the word "many" around like it's meaningless here people. Why are we still talking about this?   

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Re: The 7 major English speaking countries.
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2011, 04:54:58 PM »
Here's a Canada ppt I put together for a kindergarten class. It's easy enough to add to for older students though.

And to whoever said Canadians don't identify with "Canucks," we do have a hockey team named that. Sure, we don't usually refer to ourselves as that, but it is a well established nickname for Canadians - so if you're telling students about it, maybe just say that "Canuck" is a nickname for Canadians.

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Re: The 7 major English speaking countries.
« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2011, 05:11:48 PM »
Here's an awesome powerpoint about Canada that a friend gave me.

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Re: The 7 major English speaking countries.
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2011, 08:08:23 PM »
And to whoever said Canadians don't identify with "Canucks," we do have a hockey team named that.

I said "many," not "none."  :)   If one must use the term "canucks," it should definitely be taught as a slang term, as you suggest.  In the original PPT, it seems to be used the same way we would say "Korean," "Japanese," or "American." 

If we're going to debate the accuracy of identifiers based on hockey team names, might I point out we also have the Montreal Canadiens (who are SO much better than the Vancouver Canucks :P). 

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Re: The 7 major English speaking countries.
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2011, 09:17:37 PM »
----For many South Africans and Canadians, English is not their first language.  For many Filipinos, Nigerians, and Indians (among others...Ghanaians, Trinidadians, etc), English is their first language.----

About 23% of Canadians are French, the rest are English, let's not throw the word "many" around like it's meaningless here people. Why are we still talking about this?

According to the ever trusty Wikipedia, Canada has over 34 million people.  23% of 34 million is, what, 8 million people?  I'd say that's "many."

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Re: The 7 major English speaking countries.
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2011, 10:44:12 PM »
Um, as an American we do not just eat pizza, hamburgers, clam chowder (yuck) and chicken. We are the melting pot of the world; Americans eat all kinds of ethnic food. So, the question what do Americans eat? A little of everything from around the world. A lot of Koreans have told me that when they think of America they think of hamburgers and fries and that's all they think American's eat; which is false. They are shocked to find out we eat all sorts of different foods. In America Mexican ingredients are the most sold in our country which should tell you something. Where are the tacos, burritos, nachos.. etc?

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Re: The 7 major English speaking countries.
« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2011, 11:26:42 PM »
To clear up the confusion, the 7 "English speaking countries" are so called because they have the greatest number (not percentage) of NATIVE English speakers. India and Nigeria have tons of English speakers and I have no doubt that they have been speaking English for generations but it is still not their native language. They likely have another "home language".

South Africans are sort of lucky in Korea because they qualify to teach here even if their home language isn't English, but of course they will have a degree from an English speaking University where they studied their entire course in English. English is also VERY widely known and well spoken by the great majority of the population. South African English native speakers are descendants of British immigrants which account for only about 5-8% of the population.

(Stolen from Wikipedia)

Rank Country First language
1  United States 214,809,000[22]
2  United Kingdom 58,200,000[23]
3  Canada 18,232,195[24]
4  Australia 15,581,334[25]
5  Ireland 4,400,000[26]
6  South Africa 3,673,203[27]
7  New Zealand 3,500,000+ (approx.)[28]
8  Philippines 3,427,000[9]
9  Jamaica 2,600,000+ (approx.)[29]
10  Trinidad and Tobago 1,145,000

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Re: The 7 major English speaking countries.
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2011, 11:32:23 PM »
(Stolen from Wikipedia)

Rank Country First language
1  United States 214,809,000[22]
2  United Kingdom 58,200,000[23]
3  Canada 18,232,195[24]
4  Australia 15,581,334[25]
5  Ireland 4,400,000[26]
6  South Africa 3,673,203[27]
7  New Zealand 3,500,000+ (approx.)[28]
8  Philippines 3,427,000[9]
9  Jamaica 2,600,000+ (approx.)[29]
10  Trinidad and Tobago 1,145,000

What's the betting that's the exact source of information they used when deciding who to accept?
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Re: The 7 major English speaking countries.
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2011, 11:42:06 PM »
In America Mexican ingredients are the most sold in our country which should tell you something. Where are the tacos, burritos, nachos.. etc?

Could tell you something might be in the air! (ok, I doubt any of it will ever happen, but it is not beyond the realm of possibility...)

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2008/04/mexico-reconque.html
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Re: The 7 major English speaking countries.
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2011, 11:44:44 PM »
People slam wikipedia all the time, but it comes up trumps a lot of the time after a bit of research. most bullshit gets weeded out...

(This was a response to a post that has now disappeared. I don't talk to myself. At least I don't admit to it.)
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Re: The 7 major English speaking countries.
« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2011, 12:01:27 AM »
About South Africa....the 'rainbow nation'  :-*

Most Indians in South Africa (about 2 million) have been there for many generations and only ever speak English. Most don't even know any Indian languages... So, they're native language speakers as far as being educated  within a British system and only speaking English as a home language.
Most Afrikaans speakers speak native level English.
Most university educated people in SA have native level English ability,whatever their background...
We all have variations in our  accent and pronunciation though.(sometimes depending on province,much like in the Uk and USA where accents vary).
We also study standard  British spelling and pronunciation at school, which sometimes confuses the kids if they've had an American or Canadian teacher...


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Re: The 7 major English speaking countries.
« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2011, 12:13:21 AM »
OK, fair enough. So go make PowerPoints for all those countries too, then. Sheesh  :D

It's nice that someone does it.

These types of PPTs help in adult classes too.

India is a big trade partner here, as are many other countries where English is not a first language. 
I'll use some of these PPTs next week.  You've saved me a buttload of work. Thanks.

As an aside, I always mention that the Island folk don't really speak English when they are cavorting amongst themselves.  They have some special language, like the South Afrikkans have. 

These days I'm training CS folk to understand Finnish-English (Finglish).   


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Re: The 7 major English speaking countries.
« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2011, 01:21:43 AM »
People slam wikipedia all the time, but it comes up trumps a lot of the time after a bit of research. most bullshit gets weeded out...

(This was a response to a post that has now disappeared. I don't talk to myself. At least I don't admit to it.)
Hahaha sorry I removed it because I somehow wrote my response in the grey quote box... I'm useless I know. Then I just gave up. But yes... I agree!

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Re: The 7 major English speaking countries.
« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2011, 03:06:24 AM »
OK, fair enough. So go make PowerPoints for all those countries too, then. Sheesh  :D

It's nice that someone does it.

These types of PPTs help in adult classes too.

India is a big trade partner here, as are many other countries where English is not a first language. 
I'll use some of these PPTs next week.  You've saved me a buttload of work. Thanks.

As an aside, I always mention that the Island folk don't really speak English when they are cavorting amongst themselves.  They have some special language, like the South Afrikkans have. 

These days I'm training CS folk to understand Finnish-English (Finglish).   

Ah Jesus, not you again. There's no such thing as 'South Afrikkans' as you would know if you had traveled outside the perimeter. I'm glad someone made you a ppt. Now get back in yer box and heed the warning we were both given. You wanna say something? I'll give you my home address and phone number. But we were told to keep it off this board so I don't want to see you quoting me again. Got that?
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Re: The 7 major English speaking countries.
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2011, 03:08:30 AM »
People slam wikipedia all the time, but it comes up trumps a lot of the time after a bit of research. most bullshit gets weeded out...

(This was a response to a post that has now disappeared. I don't talk to myself. At least I don't admit to it.)
Hahaha sorry I removed it because I somehow wrote my response in the grey quote box... I'm useless I know. Then I just gave up. But yes... I agree!

Not a problem, mate! Just didn't want people thinking I was going mad!
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Re: The 7 major English speaking countries.
« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2011, 03:51:05 AM »
Um, as an American we do not just eat pizza, hamburgers, clam chowder (yuck) and chicken. We are the melting pot of the world; Americans eat all kinds of ethnic food. So, the question what do Americans eat? A little of everything from around the world. A lot of Koreans have told me that when they think of America they think of hamburgers and fries and that's all they think American's eat; which is false. They are shocked to find out we eat all sorts of different foods. In America Mexican ingredients are the most sold in our country which should tell you something. Where are the tacos, burritos, nachos.. etc?

:/
Every English speaking country is a melting pot these days.  I think it's more about the foods that actually come from that place (although pizza is the odd one out).  You'd be hard pressed to find a Korean student who hasn't tried a cheeseburger and fried chicken, but they aren't foods readily associated with Korea.  Australia has more Chinese restaurants than any other cuisine.  It's far easier to get a plate of chow mien than a good old kangaroo steak, but who associates noodles with Australia?  Geez, we don't even have Outback Steakhouse at home.

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Re: The 7 major English speaking countries.
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2011, 10:22:08 AM »
OK, fair enough. So go make PowerPoints for all those countries too, then. Sheesh  :D

It's nice that someone does it.

These types of PPTs help in adult classes too.

India is a big trade partner here, as are many other countries where English is not a first language. 
I'll use some of these PPTs next week.  You've saved me a buttload of work. Thanks.

As an aside, I always mention that the Island folk don't really speak English when they are cavorting amongst themselves.  They have some special language, like the South Afrikkans have. 

These days I'm training CS folk to understand Finnish-English (Finglish).   

Ah Jesus, not you again. There's no such thing as 'South Afrikkans' as you would know if you had traveled outside the perimeter. I'm glad someone made you a ppt. Now get back in yer box and heed the warning we were both given. You wanna say something? I'll give you my home address and phone number. But we were told to keep it off this board so I don't want to see you quoting me again. Got that?

Indeed. Well said Connersean. I'm a South African born and bred and my first and only language is English. I know a tiny bit of Afrikaans from learning it at school but I was a miserable Afrikaans student. We are a nation of many languages and I should learn another African language of course. The point of what I'm saying is that English is the lingua franca of South Africa. In the US there are is a massive Spanish speaking population. My boyfriend is Irish and went to an Irish speaking primary school and wasn't taught in English until he went to secondary school. When I lived in London for two years I heard every kind of language imaginable from fellow Londoners who were living and working in the UK, raising their kids there, etc. So this rubbish about South Africa not rightfully being included in the 7 English speaking countries is ridiculous - most of us waygooks were taught at least 2 languages in high school and a lot of us studied another language at University level, be it French, Japanese etc.

So let's just all calm down to a mild panic shall we?

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Re: The 7 major English speaking countries.
« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2011, 10:31:25 AM »
About South Africa....the 'rainbow nation'  :-*

Most Indians in South Africa (about 2 million) have been there for many generations and only ever speak English. Most don't even know any Indian languages... So, they're native language speakers as far as being educated  within a British system and only speaking English as a home language.
Most Afrikaans speakers speak native level English.
Most university educated people in SA have native level English ability,whatever their background...
We all have variations in our  accent and pronunciation though.(sometimes depending on province,much like in the Uk and USA where accents vary).
We also study standard  British spelling and pronunciation at school, which sometimes confuses the kids if they've had an American or Canadian teacher...



FYI- Canadians also use the British spelling.  :)

 

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