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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2013, 11:15:02 AM »
I had my students choose English names in winter camp.  I don't see why people are anti-English names. We used Spanish names in High School, and everyone liked it. My kids didn't mind at all. They liked that they got to pick their own names. I think it's ok whether you want to  use their Korean names or have them choose English names.

Personally I hated using Spanish names in high school.  I never responded well to being called Maria all semester because my name is not in fact Maria. 
Some students like English names and some don't.  I just try to call the students whatever name they tell me, if it's English fine, if it's Korean also fine.  However, I think that students respond much better (and quicker) when you call on them using their real name rather than an English name. 

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2013, 11:58:54 AM »
^ Definitely true. Last term I made a cheat-sheet with my students' real names, Romanized, so if someone was acting particularly insane, I could bust out the Korean name. They listen much better when addressed as "Min Gyu" than as, say, "Jack", especially when it comes out of the mouth of a foreign teacher!

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2013, 12:03:14 PM »
The idea of English names, to me, seems too similar to the forced taking of Japanese names during the colonization period. But yes some kids do like English names so up to the teacher.

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2013, 03:15:59 PM »
"You are as many people as the number of languages you speak."

Having a nickname in a foreign language is entirely normal, common, appropriate.


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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2013, 12:58:14 PM »
Just to give everyone a head's up...had kids make namecards with their Korean names and of my 280 students, about 5 asked me if they could use their English name.  One begged to be Abraham Lincoln and actually started quoting the Gettysburg Address.  I think everyone was right about the kids using their names.  Thanks again for the input. 

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2013, 03:13:37 PM »
My co-teachers actually suggested that our students choose English names. They have English names too, and only go by them in class. The students really seemed to enjoy picking a new name. Just give them variety so that they can find one that suits them. I used some very simple names and some from movies and cartoons. If a student doesn't want one, obviously you shouldn't force it on them, but I didn't have this problem.

I can't speak for how well they will listen to these names in class yet, as this is my first time teaching English. I doubt they will be as effective as Korean names, since they use them everywhere else. Maybe I will keep both names on the seating chart for emergencies.

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2013, 04:12:19 PM »
At the beginning of class I had all the students introduce themselves and if they used an English name I wrote it down next to their Korean one on my seating chart. A lot of my students go to hagwons so it seems like they're used to using English names in English class but I prefer using their Korean names (especially if they're misbehaving) because they actually respond when I do. I find they're more likely to ignore me if I use their English names...

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2013, 09:34:55 PM »
Students absolutely prefer their own names over English names. I've discussed this with both my students and co-teachers. English names have usually been done for the benefit of the teacher who is not familiar with Korean names or pronunciation.

Respect your students and use their real names. You'll get much more out of them and earn their respect in return.

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2013, 09:41:33 PM »
Why the hell is there even a debate here? This is the one opportunity you have in life to play god with hundreds of children. Give them all names and address them accordingly. I have three or four Bobs, a few Joes, yes, because that well does not run eternal. But theres also a Boba Fett, one kid is named Vonnegut. You complete artistic license. Use it.
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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2013, 01:06:34 AM »
Most of the time, I'd just let the students decide. From an administrative perspective, it's better to learn their Korean names if you have to track grades or attendance or thing like that and report it.

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2013, 03:20:55 PM »
I have a few students that want to use English names, but to force one on a student seems slightly off to me.  I'd recommend using name cards that they carry with them- maybe in the textbooks.  It can be a fun initial project to make them too.

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2013, 02:31:57 AM »
Just wanna echo everyone else: stick to the Korean names.  Despite my personal beliefs against English names, I've found that the students respect and feel closer to you if you've taken out the time and energy to remember them.  I've known some kids for two years and every once in a while, and they're still pleasantly surprised.
I couldn't agree more.

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2013, 10:34:57 AM »
The idea of English names, to me, seems too similar to the forced taking of Japanese names during the colonization period. But yes some kids do like English names so up to the teacher.

I agree and it is that exact reason why I do not give my students English name. I dont introduce the concept. I think many of them have gotten accustomed to NT having them do this. I tell them, no not this year. I instead have them write their names in hangul and alphabet. They put them on the desk and when I need to call them, I read the name. Most students, I have memorized their names, the more quiet ones, I usually have to look at their card.

I once had an NT tell me she choose to bring up giving her students English names because the pronouciation was easier. Rubbish! You are in Korea, learn the names and yes some of the phonetic sounds are difficult  but it gets easier. I feel to impose names on students that are mostly uninterested in learning another language, will cause them to become less interested. It sends the message, you are speaking English, now you must change your identity as well.

Thats my take on it. During camp at a new school, a teacher insisted that the students have names. One little boy began crying because he didnt want to change his name. During the entirety of the camp, he was withdrawn. However I have some students that insist on using an English name, they seem to be upset when they cant be called by it. I wont do it inside the classroom but during lunch i will refer to them by their chosen name.  They are happy with the compromise. I also explain to them why I feel its un-unnecessary to have it.

I've also had this conversation with adult Koreans that have changed their name because their foreign friends due to pressure or being told its too difficult, I will call you..... What message is this sending?

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2013, 11:12:58 AM »
I've also had this conversation with adult Koreans that have changed their name because their foreign friends due to pressure or being told its too difficult, I will call you..... What message is this sending?
In Korean, every greeting, phrase, and name is multi-syllabic and complex. Almost impossible for Anglophones to say 100% correctly unless they've studied the language extensively and know hangul. My first month in Korea and I am still trying to figure out how to say some of my kids names. But back in the States if you have a hard to pronounce name (foreign or otherwise) be prepared to have people shorten it so they don't feel embarrassed every time they try to say it. As someone with a European last name (3 syllables) who has seen it butchered countless times, I don't hold out any hope for people with Korean names. It's a bummer, but so is the Korean language.

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2013, 12:21:31 PM »
I learned Hangul before I came and it was useful right away because I'm a solo teacher and had to read the roll sheets. If  I hadn't read the roll sheets everyday for every class I certainly wouldn't have learned their names, I would have had to use nametags which are a huge distraction. It took me a really long time to memorize their names but I know them all now(roughly 200) and use them a lot. At first I didn't have the confidence to use their names in class but it's pretty effective.

Because of this having English names was kind of pointless and didn't even occur to me at first. Now some of them have told me their English names and I can see that that could be a problem. I have several Amys. I'd rather use their real names because for administrative purposes it's important. I make the roll sheets, do all the testing and records and evaluations etc. If you are just an assistant teacher and have large classes you don't see often I wouldn't try to memorize everyones names, English or not. Just ask the names of the kids that talk to you a lot and you can learn their names.

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2013, 02:20:06 PM »
This issue's been bugging me for a while, and I came across this thread while doing some research for a blog post.

In short, I think renaming is a way for English speakers to make themselves at home in Korea. It assumes that Korean students should conform to Western ways of describing the world, rather than assert their individuality.

Here's the long version if anyone's interested:

https://theculturemuncher.wordpress.com/2013/04/14/a-korea-by-any-other-name/

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2013, 04:17:01 PM »
Most students don't really take the English names seriously so I don't either.

I have given my students names before and sometimes they stick, sometimes they dont. The students who have English names that I use, I have a special bond with them so they will automatically answer regardless if I call them by their English name or Korean one.

I always try to learn their Korean names, too. I think it's important.

There are two students who I have called "Bean" and "Cappuccino" since Grade 1 (they are in Grade 3 middle school now) and actually respond automatically if i call them that. They even sign their name with that nickname on all their tests and worksheets I give them. It's quite funny.

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2013, 05:07:36 PM »
My school has many international students who are studying Korean. Almost all the classrooms have name signs on them with the names in Hangeul.

When learning to write in your native language, what's one of the first things you learn to write? Your name. For beginning language learners, having a 'languagean' name and being able to write can be a significant milestone. A small one, but still significant.

For more advanced learners who can already write/speak to some degree, it's not that big a deal.

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2013, 09:01:01 PM »
I would be in the 'don't rename them' camp. That said a couple of my students like using English names, but the others prefer Korean.

Also it's important to learn the correct pronunciation of their names. You don't want to be calling 김청일 김정일 by mistake!

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2013, 11:21:49 AM »
What if a student wants to be called, "pig man".  Would that be acceptable?  If having a real name is recommended, he also likes Iron Man, so should I try to call him Stark or Tony?

My suggestion, or idea, would also be to call them their Korean name with their English name if you see them outside of class.  Is that acceptable?

I thank you for this post because I was about to give my students English names but find it is a bad idea.  The reason it has taken me so long is because I was aware of the Japanese Colonization. 

I read some good ideas here already to remember students' names, what are some others?  Would having them choose an English name and using both English and Korean names be a good idea?  Sorry, but I have wrestled with this idea for a while.

 

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