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ghosts and demons
« on: October 05, 2016, 09:24:25 PM »
Be warned: many kids will flat out refuse to play this. Also, I'm not yet done with the translation bit - and need to change some of the text in the final copy.  There are also a few other minor issues - these will be fixed in the near future.

So, I've been working on a new grid based ppt.
Many of my kiddos, after having seen 'conjuring', kept asking me to show them another horror flick - I kept refusing.  Instead, given that Halloween is around the corner, I've decided to make a horror themed game.  I did try to play it with the kiddos and.... I keep getting one or two kids in each class who keep refusing to play it due to the fear factor.  The gifs, the whispering, the intro - it all gets to them.  In other words, I haven't tested it in class yet. which is a shame. 

There are a few scares added to the main menu (this is rather obvious if you look at the edit screen.  Aside from that, it's just another grid game.  But yeah - I'm a bit disappointed in the students' reaction thus far.  I've tried to make it as scary as I could and it seems as if I may have gone overboard.  I suspect that this will work out much better if you use it in middle/high schools. 

Aside from that, I'd say that 25 slides is too many for this sort of game - 20, as is the case in the pirates game, is easier to make and works out extremely well in class.  In the future, I'll stick to 20 slide games.


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« Last Edit: November 22, 2016, 08:40:52 PM by maximmm »

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Re: ghosts and demons
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2016, 07:51:27 AM »
Hey!! 

I think this would be fantastic for my middle school students.  They really love the horror stuff.  BUT the videos aren't working :( 

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Re: ghosts and demons
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2016, 08:24:51 AM »
Hey!! 

I think this would be fantastic for my middle school students.  They really love the horror stuff.  BUT the videos aren't working :(

install latest codecs and see if the problem still persists - You can get them from here=== https://www.codecguide.com/download_kl.htm

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Re: ghosts and demons
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2016, 01:19:35 PM »
Oh how I wish I could see this. But it doesn't load the page~ says error. Anyway you still have it??

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Re: ghosts and demons
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2016, 02:20:17 PM »
Thanks Maximus, it looks good. To the poster above, I got the error, but just clicked the download button anyway, and it downloaded. Not sure what is up with it, but it still worked.

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Re: ghosts and demons
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2016, 03:57:49 PM »
Oh how I wish I could see this. But it doesn't load the page~ says error. Anyway you still have it??

Click on the google link above your post.  I haven't updated the link in the initial post - and that ppt has indeed been deleted. 

I've tried the game a few times - a few minor issues still remain.  In the main map, I appear to have forgotten to place some of the whispering sounds on repeat.  Some of the music/sounds is too loud.  Some of the videos are too dark (depending on the monitor you use).  All of this can be easily fixed, but I'm not sure I want to spend anymore time on this game.

The game still freaks students out and they can't bear to play the whole thing.  At the same time, it appears to have a sort of addictive quality to it - once students get brave enough, they ask to play it again - and then the cycle repeats, 10 minutes in and they want to stop ;)  I'd say that making this game this scary was not a great idea - students focus a lot less on the English used than they do on trying to hide behind their books and closing their ears.

It's safe to say that I won't be making any more horror themed games. 

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Re: ghosts and demons
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2016, 08:52:06 PM »
Hi, I still want to try this with some of my students haha. But I'm not sure how to play.... Are there instructions? I'm sorry if it is self explanatory, I don't do a lot of bomb games, or at least haven't this past year, and I am not sure the students have either. (We very recently got a TV /PC for use that we roll around to different classrooms.)
It could also be because my office computer is slow/glitchy and the headphone jack doesn't work, but still.

Edited to add: I tried downloading those codecs and the link didn't work. I do keep keep getting pop up messages during the ppt saying something in korean about ".mp4" so I assume that's the issue with the vids.

It still looks good though! Hopefully I can figure things out and play it with a couple of my middle school/6th grader classes.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2016, 08:56:30 PM by peachkitten »

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Re: ghosts and demons
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2016, 09:13:46 PM »
Hi, I still want to try this with some of my students haha. But I'm not sure how to play.... Are there instructions? I'm sorry if it is self explanatory, I don't do a lot of bomb games, or at least haven't this past year, and I am not sure the students have either. (We very recently got a TV /PC for use that we roll around to different classrooms.)
It could also be because my office computer is slow/glitchy and the headphone jack doesn't work, but still.

Edited to add: I tried downloading those codecs and the link didn't work. I do keep keep getting pop up messages during the ppt saying something in korean about ".mp4" so I assume that's the issue with the vids.

It still looks good though! Hopefully I can figure things out and play it with a couple of my middle school/6th grader classes.

Hmm....  The link I gave you definitely works - Here is a more direct link - http://files2.codecguide.com/K-Lite_Codec_Pack_1244_Basic.exe
If this doesn't work, I give up - haha  :rolleyes:

The game works pretty much the same way as this one - http://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=12380.0

You do need to initially edit the ppt to fit the lesson content you are teaching.

Given that you only have one pc/TV that you have to roll to different classrooms, I take it you work in a hagwon?

I should point out that this game does indeed require a fairly decent PC.  A number of computers in my schools have an issue where the video lags behind the sound - only half of our computers play it correctly - still, even it should work even on the crappiest pc once you install the codec pack, albeit with a bit of lag. 

« Last Edit: October 31, 2016, 04:08:52 AM by maximmm »

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Re: ghosts and demons
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2016, 09:02:49 AM »
This is great, I can tell you put a lot of work into it. I'm going to use it as part of a special-day lesson and add trivia slides.

As a warning to others: the file is huge and very media heavy, so yeah, you'll definitely need a computer with a decent amount of RAM and a good processor. None of my work computers will be able to play it seamlessly because they're all cheap, out-dated PsOS (half of them will probably end up crashing half-way through). Maybe if they'd install more than 4 GB of RAM, especially in light of the resource-heavy software they've got installed along with it...

Anyway, I'll be using it on my personal laptop. No muss no fuss.

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Re: ghosts and demons
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2016, 10:28:15 AM »


As a warning to others: the file is huge and very media heavy, so yeah, you'll definitely need a computer with a decent amount of RAM and a good processor. None of my work computers will be able to play it seamlessly because they're all cheap, out-dated PsOS (half of them will probably end up crashing half-way through). Maybe if they'd install more than 4 GB of RAM, especially in light of the resource-heavy software they've got installed along with it...

Anyway, I'll be using it on my personal laptop. No muss no fuss.

Well, the school I'm at today, I'm using a pc with only 2GB of ram, win 7 32 bit and intel core 2 duo 3ghz processor - this game works well - no lag at all.

It's like you said - the real issue is that they have a ton of other software which causes slowdowns and crashes.  On one school computer, none of my games run at all, even though that computer has really good specs (I suspect that they need to reinstall powerpoint on that PC in particular). 




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Re: ghosts and demons
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2016, 10:44:11 AM »


As a warning to others: the file is huge and very media heavy, so yeah, you'll definitely need a computer with a decent amount of RAM and a good processor. None of my work computers will be able to play it seamlessly because they're all cheap, out-dated PsOS (half of them will probably end up crashing half-way through). Maybe if they'd install more than 4 GB of RAM, especially in light of the resource-heavy software they've got installed along with it...

Anyway, I'll be using it on my personal laptop. No muss no fuss.

Well, the school I'm at today, I'm using a pc with only 2GB of ram, win 7 32 bit and intel core 2 duo 3ghz processor - this game works well - no lag at all.

It's like you said - the real issue is that they have a ton of other software which causes slowdowns and crashes.  On one school computer, none of my games run at all, even though that computer has really good specs (I suspect that they need to reinstall powerpoint on that PC in particular).

Pretty much, they've just got too much crap going on in their computers and not enough hardware to support it all, and, I suspect, a lot of corrupted files due to incompatible software.

Either way, it makes it impossible to play media-heavy files on a lot of these computers. I have some stuff disabled and (without approval) uninstalled on my personally assigned school computer, but they've still got stuff going on in the background that I'm not savvy enough to get rid of. Your game won't crash on it, but the videos lag a lot. Most of the other computers here just can't handle it at all.

I think it's a sin that you've got to work on a computer with 2 GB ram btw. It might be a blessing in disguise since it sounds like they're not able to install any of that bloated software on it. But it's still a sin.
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Re: ghosts and demons
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2016, 10:45:57 AM »
So I modified your game to include question/answer slides.

I also removed or replaced some pictures/gifs, either because they were too hard to see on the screens I use or I felt they weren't age-appropriate for my middle school students (got rid of a few to cut down on file size a little, too... didn't make that much of a difference, but it is a little smaller). Hopefully I didn't screw anything up, but it's been working fine for me so far.

Anyway, I didn't do anything fancy, and users will have to remember to hit "enter" for right answers and to only hit the flashing thing in the lower right-hand corner of each slide to return to the main grid slide (#2) in case of wrong answers or after the completion of each media slide.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0ByLsgHFTP_cJNmprNXgzZGFCVHc

I've never shared a google drive link before, let me know if I did it wrong.

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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2016, 09:16:29 PM »
So I modified your game to include question/answer slides.

I also removed or replaced some pictures/gifs, either because they were too hard to see on the screens I use or I felt they weren't age-appropriate for my middle school students (got rid of a few to cut down on file size a little, too... didn't make that much of a difference, but it is a little smaller). Hopefully I didn't screw anything up, but it's been working fine for me so far.

Anyway, I didn't do anything fancy, and users will have to remember to hit "enter" for right answers and to only hit the flashing thing in the lower right-hand corner of each slide to return to the main grid slide (#2) in case of wrong answers or after the completion of each media slide.

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0ByLsgHFTP_cJNmprNXgzZGFCVHc

I've never shared a google drive link before, let me know if I did it wrong.

Haha - you've done the unthinkable!  You've turned it into a bomb game!
I stay away from those because I have no time to edit the question/answer slides.  But for those that do have the time, I am sure your edit would be useful.

But yes, in regards to dark gifs - much like the videos (which I did make brighter in another edit, which I'll upload at some point), it would appear that this ppt seems OK on some screens/computers, while being too dark on a number of other screens/computers.  I do like the gif you've picked as a replacement though - good choice. 

I can also see that you've made yours a bit less scary - I think it's a good idea.  Like I've already mentioned earlier, I made this game too scary - and even the main menu proved to be a dangerous ground for students. The constant pressure of scares, even in the main menu, made some of the kids afraid to look at the screen during the sections when they were supposed to be using the target language. 

I plan to make 4 more games using the same format - though the future games will be more similar to 'pirates' in terms of videos duration.  This game had too many videos over a minute long. 

The themes for the future games will be 'star wars', 'indiana jones', 'tomb raider' and perhaps a remake of 'xmen' (my first game was x-men, but that was done in the bomb game format, which I can't use due to time constraints). 





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Re: ghosts and demons
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2016, 07:09:22 AM »
Haha - you've done the unthinkable!  You've turned it into a bomb game!
I stay away from those because I have no time to edit the question/answer slides.  But for those that do have the time, I am sure your edit would be useful.

But yes, in regards to dark gifs - much like the videos (which I did make brighter in another edit, which I'll upload at some point), it would appear that this ppt seems OK on some screens/computers, while being too dark on a number of other screens/computers.  I do like the gif you've picked as a replacement though - good choice. 

I can also see that you've made yours a bit less scary - I think it's a good idea.  Like I've already mentioned earlier, I made this game too scary - and even the main menu proved to be a dangerous ground for students. The constant pressure of scares, even in the main menu, made some of the kids afraid to look at the screen during the sections when they were supposed to be using the target language. 

I plan to make 4 more games using the same format - though the future games will be more similar to 'pirates' in terms of videos duration.  This game had too many videos over a minute long. 

The themes for the future games will be 'star wars', 'indiana jones', 'tomb raider' and perhaps a remake of 'xmen' (my first game was x-men, but that was done in the bomb game format, which I can't use due to time constraints).

Yeah, sorry. xD But I have a good excuse!

So I tried out your game, untouched, and I ran into a problem -- not really any issues with your game itself, just in the way my classes are.

Originally, I divided the class into teams and numbered them. When it was a particular team's turn, they could choose another team to challenge, then one member from each team would come up to the whiteboard. I'd read them a question and they'd have to write down the correct answer (their teams could help them out). Whoever wrote down the correct answer first would win the right to pick an option from your game for their team.

The problem I had with this is that the students wanted to play your game in the dark pretty much the whole time. So every round I had to turn on the lights so that the students could see what they were doing, and then I'd have to turn off the lights again. This slowed down the game and kind of took away from the "ambience" a little. It was easy to get around that by incorporating questions directly into the powerpoint. So while I lose some of the benefits of playing the game the way I'd originally planned, my kids can completely lose themselves in your game (which is fine for a free or review day anyway).

And thanks, glad you like my choice of replacement gif. I wanted to find something that looped more "seamlessly" like the ones you have, but I'm not a patient person, lol.

For the rest of it, yeah, the game was a little too scary for a lot of students (even though they're middle school), and it also took too long for some of them to calm down after the first menu scare (got to a point that they would all just kind of "stall" anytime they were on the menu page to see if anything was about to jump out at them). I found I could make it more bearable for the ones that the scares were just too much for by creating a "safe place" (i.e. removing the scares from the main menu, haha).

Half of the class still hide their faces or cover their eyes during the game... but at least no team is dragging their feet around the menu anymore, and they all beg to continue to play the game next class, sooooooooo ~

I feel like your game, completely unedited, would be great for high school and SOME middle school classes... I've only tried it on my second graders, the third graders may be better about it.

And I am totally looking forward to your future games, especially Star Wars. OMG, that sounds amazing.
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Re: ghosts and demons
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2016, 08:13:19 AM »
I dont comment often on here, but Maxim you did one hell of a job. I cant use this with my 6th graders but middle school is definitely good to go!

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« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2016, 12:11:15 PM »
I dont comment often on here, but Maxim you did one hell of a job. I cant use this with my 6th graders but middle school is definitely good to go!

Yes, this is an incredible game! Well done!

I did use it with my sixth grade afterschool class. It was hilarious watching them squirm.

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Re: ghosts and demons
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2016, 12:12:02 PM »
Final edit.  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-mMaBGLmZX9UWhNYmYwQmFfNlU


Replaced one gif with the same one used by Chinguetti.  Brightened up the videos (they come off as being too dark on some displays - especially in bright classrooms).  Replaced 2 videos with videos from ouija origin of evil.  Fixed some sounds on the grid map (I forgot to put some whispering sounds on loop - and removed some of the unnecessary jump scare sounds not associated with a pop-up pic).

Will start working on star wars template soon. 

PS.  This template also gives you a bit of an insight into how I store these templates.  These templates are very big, and using a separate template for each lesson is highly inefficient.  My google drive account would have been out of space a long time ago if I did that.  Instead, I copy the current main grid menu, paste it in the back of the template (if I ever find the need to teach that lesson ever again) and modify the current main grid menu to fit another lesson.  This way, I need to keep only one template on the google drive, instead of many to fit the other lessons.

For example: I've used my pirates template for 10 different lessons, which is reflected in the 10 main grid maps found at the back of the template. 
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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2016, 02:10:03 PM »
Quality stuff here maximmm!

I tweaked it here and there, and replaced one or two videos with clips from 부산행, and used it for my G2 speaking test preparation class.
Went really well: one of the kids literally peed himself laughing at his mates.  :laugh:

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Re: ghosts and demons
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2017, 11:04:09 AM »
Hello,

Is the 'ghosts and demons' game you made still available at all?

I'm trying to follow the link you posted to google drive but it's just saying 'Not Found'

Thanks in advance Maximmm

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Re: ghosts and demons
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2017, 07:46:46 AM »
Hello,

Is the 'ghosts and demons' game you made still available at all?

I'm trying to follow the link you posted to google drive but it's just saying 'Not Found'

Thanks in advance Maximmm

Maximmm has been banned.

Chinguetti has you covered though - her link, which can be found in this thread, is working.