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Thai Cave Drama: Thailand vs Korea
« on: July 09, 2018, 07:59:22 pm »
Is anyone else following the story of the Thai football team trapped in the cave? At the time of writing, five kids have been rescued from a horribly flooded cave in which a professional military diver was killed, and no children have so far passed away. Local Thais and people from around the world have collaborated and clearly put the kids' interests first.

I can't help but think that if this happened in Korea, the local authorities would refuse help from other countries. An angry 70 year old man with no background in rescue would be calling the shots from his soju-induced stupor. A bunch of 22 year old recruits who attended a one-day diving course (lecture) would be attempting the rescue while complaining about the "진짜 힘들어" conditions. After a feigned attempt, the recruits would be pulled out "for their safety" because the conditions were "so difficult". The rescue would be labelled "impossible" and there would be many tears and cancelled events. Football-related activities would be banned because they are "too dangerous", yet fire exits would remain locked in schools and alarms would be disabled because they went off too often.

When the next administration took power, the bodies of the children would be retrieved from the caves and the President in power at the time would be charged with a bunch of different crimes. Everybody would demand a "severe punishment" for the President who was clearly to blame for the deeply ingrained culture of incompetence and extreme indifference that led to the deaths of the children. Another tragedy would occur under the next administration and the same thing would happen all over again.


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Re: Thai Cave Drama: Thailand vs Korea
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2018, 08:24:04 pm »
Major difference is that the kids on the Sewol were dead within a day. They didn't have weeks to think about rescue options.


Re: Thai Cave Drama: Thailand vs Korea
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2018, 08:53:28 pm »
I can’t say what the Korean response might be, but yeah, it’s a riveting story. Here’s a nice interactive about the cave put out by the nytimes:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/07/06/world/asia/thai-cave-rescue.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Something tangentially fascinating about this story is that apparently few, if any, of these 12 boys know how to swim. How does that happen..
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Re: Thai Cave Drama: Thailand vs Korea
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2018, 09:17:16 pm »
Thailand were quick to bring in the Thai Navy Seals and professional cavers.

Could Korea have organized that quickly? I think not!


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Re: Thai Cave Drama: Thailand vs Korea
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2018, 10:18:53 pm »
Thailand were quick to bring in the Thai Navy Seals and professional cavers.

Could Korea have organized that quickly? I think not!
Not only that but they sought and accepted international assistance, which park turned down out of pride.


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Re: Thai Cave Drama: Thailand vs Korea
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2018, 10:31:43 pm »
Something tangentially fascinating about this story is that apparently few, if any, of these 12 boys know how to swim. How does that happen..
I can't swim. Sure, I've taken like one week of school mandated lessons way back in like grade 7. But since then, I haven't swam. So I doubt I can swim at all in a body of water deeper than say 5 feet.


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Re: Thai Cave Drama: Thailand vs Korea
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2018, 05:20:23 am »
I can’t say what the Korean response might be, but yeah, it’s a riveting story. Here’s a nice interactive about the cave put out by the nytimes:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/07/06/world/asia/thai-cave-rescue.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Something tangentially fascinating about this story is that apparently few, if any, of these 12 boys know how to swim. How does that happen..

I never had any swimming classes in school. The reason I can swim is that my parents sent me to swimming camp (day camp with a focus on lessons and pool games).

Swimming can be quite intimidating to go from level 0 to level 1.
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Re: Thai Cave Drama: Thailand vs Korea
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2018, 06:36:47 am »
Sure, that one kid can’t swim is not at all shocking. That an entire soccer team can’t swim is surprising to me. And I guess I have this image of rural Thailand being something of a bucolic paradise where kids, for want of hagwon, have to make their own fun and so go cannonballing at the local watering hole and chase snakes and whatever else. I don’t blame them or anyone for their lack of swimming skills, just not what I would have expected. I can’t think of anyone from my childhood who didn’t know how to swim even a rudimentary doggy paddle (why does autocorrect insist on changing this to “soggy paddle?) except for my best friend, but he had a good reason; he was deathly afraid of deep water.

Anyway, looks like the weather is mostly cooperating and eight boys have now been successfully extracted, leaving just four more and the coach, whom if all goes well can probably be saved today.

In other news, over 100 dead in Japanese torrential rains.


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Re: Thai Cave Drama: Thailand vs Korea
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2018, 07:30:52 am »
Sure, that one kid can’t swim is not at all shocking. That an entire soccer team can’t swim is surprising to me. And I guess I have this image of rural Thailand being something of a bucolic paradise where kids, for want of hagwon, have to make their own fun and so go cannonballing at the local watering hole and chase snakes and whatever else. I don’t blame them or anyone for their lack of swimming skills, just not what I would have expected. I can’t think of anyone from my childhood who didn’t know how to swim even a rudimentary doggy paddle (why does autocorrect insist on changing this to “soggy paddle?) except for my best friend, but he had a good reason; he was deathly afraid of deep water.

Most of my Korean co-workers/friends can't swim, so at this point, it doesn't really surprise me to hear, although it's interesting to me since, like you, I also can't think of anyone from my childhood who couldn't swim.


Re: Thai Cave Drama: Thailand vs Korea
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2018, 07:38:52 am »
Sure, that one kid can’t swim is not at all shocking. That an entire soccer team can’t swim is surprising to me. And I guess I have this image of rural Thailand being something of a bucolic paradise where kids, for want of hagwon, have to make their own fun and so go cannonballing at the local watering hole and chase snakes and whatever else. I don’t blame them or anyone for their lack of swimming skills, just not what I would have expected. I can’t think of anyone from my childhood who didn’t know how to swim even a rudimentary doggy paddle (why does autocorrect insist on changing this to “soggy paddle?) except for my best friend, but he had a good reason; he was deathly afraid of deep water.

Most of my Korean co-workers/friends can't swim, so at this point, it doesn't really surprise me to hear, although it's interesting to me since, like you, I also can't think of anyone from my childhood who couldn't swim.

That's not as surprising to me given the lack of swimmable freshwater along with the way they schedule free-play out of kids lives here, but perhaps the advent of swim hagwons will change all that. I hope it has a higher success rate than English hagwon; their lives depend on it!


Re: Thai Cave Drama: Thailand vs Korea
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2018, 07:49:09 am »
I went to a beach this weekend (artificial, admittedly) where a lifeguard told me I had to wear a life jacket to swim in the tiny enclosed area of sea that they'd sealed off using buoys. I told him I could swim, he said it's a rule, and I said sorry but I'm just not going to wear one. He seemed to give up.

Fifteen minutes later, after I'd stopped swimming, the guy came back and told me I must wear a life jacket to swim and they were freely available to borrow. I said never mind, I'll just find an island to swim off (there were many nearby).

When I told my co-worker I was planning to go fishing this past weekend, she said it was a bad idea to fish from the shore because it's so dangerous. What?

I think I'm done with this country.


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Re: Thai Cave Drama: Thailand vs Korea
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2018, 07:51:50 am »
Sure, that one kid can’t swim is not at all shocking. That an entire soccer team can’t swim is surprising to me. And I guess I have this image of rural Thailand being something of a bucolic paradise where kids, for want of hagwon, have to make their own fun and so go cannonballing at the local watering hole and chase snakes and whatever else. I don’t blame them or anyone for their lack of swimming skills, just not what I would have expected. I can’t think of anyone from my childhood who didn’t know how to swim even a rudimentary doggy paddle (why does autocorrect insist on changing this to “soggy paddle?) except for my best friend, but he had a good reason; he was deathly afraid of deep water.

Most of my Korean co-workers/friends can't swim, so at this point, it doesn't really surprise me to hear, although it's interesting to me since, like you, I also can't think of anyone from my childhood who couldn't swim.

That's not as surprising to me given the lack of swimmable freshwater along with the way they schedule free-play out of kids lives here, but perhaps the advent of swim hagwons will change all that. I hope it has a higher success rate than English hagwon; their lives depend on it!
If you go to a beach in Thailand, you will see a smattering of Thai people frolicking a bit in the surf (wearing street clothes), occasionally surfboarders, but rarely will you see an actual swimmer.

At every elementary school I've taught at (3), 3rd and/or 4th graders take swimming lessons during school in the spring/summer.  In fact, my schedule last two weeks has been disrupted because of 4th grade swimming.


Re: Thai Cave Drama: Thailand vs Korea
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2018, 07:54:16 am »
I went to a beach this weekend (artificial, admittedly) where a lifeguard told me I had to wear a life jacket to swim in the tiny enclosed area of sea that they'd sealed off using buoys. I told him I could swim, he said it's a rule, and I said sorry but I'm just not going to wear one. He seemed to give up.

Fifteen minutes later, after I'd stopped swimming, the guy came back and told me I must wear a life jacket to swim and they were freely available to borrow. I said never mind, I'll just find an island to swim off (there were many nearby).

When I told my co-worker I was planning to go fishing this past weekend, she said it was a bad idea to fish from the shore because it's so dangerous. What?

I think I'm done with this country.

 :laugh:

Have you tried fishing hagwon? It's completely supervised and far safer. And if you can't catch anything, they'll catch it for you.


Re: Thai Cave Drama: Thailand vs Korea
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2018, 07:57:36 am »
I went to a beach this weekend (artificial, admittedly) where a lifeguard told me I had to wear a life jacket to swim in the tiny enclosed area of sea that they'd sealed off using buoys. I told him I could swim, he said it's a rule, and I said sorry but I'm just not going to wear one. He seemed to give up.

Fifteen minutes later, after I'd stopped swimming, the guy came back and told me I must wear a life jacket to swim and they were freely available to borrow. I said never mind, I'll just find an island to swim off (there were many nearby).

When I told my co-worker I was planning to go fishing this past weekend, she said it was a bad idea to fish from the shore because it's so dangerous. What?

I think I'm done with this country.

 :laugh:

Have you tried fishing hagwon? It's completely supervised and far safer. And if you can't catch anything, they'll catch it for you.

Will they also give me a 100% pass even if I don't catch any fish? I'll just say I had a bad day but I really am very good at fishing usually.


Re: Thai Cave Drama: Thailand vs Korea
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2018, 07:59:40 am »
When I told my co-worker I was planning to go fishing this past weekend, she said it was a bad idea to fish from the shore because it's so dangerous. What?

I think I'm done with this country.
Maybe something to do with the heavy rains of the past couple weeks and the risk of flooding/mud?


Re: Thai Cave Drama: Thailand vs Korea
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2018, 08:03:06 am »
When I told my co-worker I was planning to go fishing this past weekend, she said it was a bad idea to fish from the shore because it's so dangerous. What?

I think I'm done with this country.
Maybe something to do with the heavy rains of the past couple weeks and the risk of flooding/mud?

She just seemed to think it was dangerous if it wasn't an 'official' supervised activity. Koreans are deathly afraid of nature.


Re: Thai Cave Drama: Thailand vs Korea
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2018, 08:06:20 am »
When I told my co-worker I was planning to go fishing this past weekend, she said it was a bad idea to fish from the shore because it's so dangerous. What?

I think I'm done with this country.
Maybe something to do with the heavy rains of the past couple weeks and the risk of flooding/mud?

A kid drowned down South recently after getting too close to a flooded stream. That's probably what they were thinking of.


Re: Thai Cave Drama: Thailand vs Korea
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2018, 08:07:33 am »
When I told my co-worker I was planning to go fishing this past weekend, she said it was a bad idea to fish from the shore because it's so dangerous. What?

I think I'm done with this country.
Maybe something to do with the heavy rains of the past couple weeks and the risk of flooding/mud?

A kid drowned down South recently after getting too close to a flooded stream. That's probably what they were thinking of.

Still no reason to panic about an adult going fishing.


Re: Thai Cave Drama: Thailand vs Korea
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2018, 08:41:10 am »
When I told my co-worker I was planning to go fishing this past weekend, she said it was a bad idea to fish from the shore because it's so dangerous. What?

I think I'm done with this country.
Maybe something to do with the heavy rains of the past couple weeks and the risk of flooding/mud?

A kid drowned down South recently after getting too close to a flooded stream. That's probably what they were thinking of.

Still no reason to panic about an adult going fishing.

Things can get lost in translation and she probably was just saying it just as an aside.

Anyways, if you're a real Grizzly Adams you shouldn't care what some city-folk say about nature. If you've been there before you know it's what people do when it comes to city-folk.  And even then, when in a foreign country (or even just a different county back home) it's good to at least consider their warnings and check things out. Sometimes they have a close relative or whomever who fishes every weekend or works as a fisherman or whatever and you should do your due diligence. People who really grew up in the country know to do this lest they end up like the townies with their car stuck in the mud.

Take what your CT says with a massive grain if salt, but don't presume a couple of backpacking trips and a few summers at your uncle's fishing cabin suddenly makes you a nature man.


Re: Thai Cave Drama: Thailand vs Korea
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2018, 08:46:34 am »
I went to a beach this weekend (artificial, admittedly) where a lifeguard told me I had to wear a life jacket to swim in the tiny enclosed area of sea that they'd sealed off using buoys. I told him I could swim, he said it's a rule, and I said sorry but I'm just not going to wear one. He seemed to give up.

Fifteen minutes later, after I'd stopped swimming, the guy came back and told me I must wear a life jacket to swim and they were freely available to borrow. I said never mind, I'll just find an island to swim off (there were many nearby).

When I told my co-worker I was planning to go fishing this past weekend, she said it was a bad idea to fish from the shore because it's so dangerous. What?

I think I'm done with this country.

 :laugh:

Have you tried fishing hagwon? It's completely supervised and far safer. And if you can't catch anything, they'll catch it for you.

Will they also give me a 100% pass even if I don't catch any fish? I'll just say I had a bad day but I really am very good at fishing usually.

Your fishing ability is really quite independent of whether you're able to catch fish or not. :azn: