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Offline debbie413

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Disciplining Bad Behavior
« on: September 03, 2018, 07:49:57 AM »
Can anyone recommend any discipline methods for 5th grade students? I was observing my first week and there are some 5th grade students that will just get up during class and do whatever they want and my co-teacher won't really do anything. I have some rules set in place, but I have yet to present them to my class and wanted to get some feedback before I started teaching.
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Re: Disciplining Bad Behavior
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2018, 08:53:49 AM »
I think rewarding positive behavior works better than punishment. Have a rewards system set up where, if the whole class behaves, then they get a class party. Other students will keep those kids in check.

If they continue to not behave, then talk to them after class, or have your co-teacher conduct a meeting between you, the students, and their homeroom teacher. If you to punish them during class, it can become distracting and take away from other students, which is exactly what those students want you to do. They want attention.
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Re: Disciplining Bad Behavior
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2018, 08:58:55 AM »
I find isolating students who misbehave can be effective. If a lot of students are being noisy, picking out one kid, making them stand up and waiting for everyone to get quiet, then addressing their bad behavior, asking them something like 'is it ok to talk while the teacher is talking?' then telling that student to stay behind for cleaning.

A reward system is effective but I find there are usually a few students who like to mess around and just two or three students can encourage the others to become uninterested and misbehave. It's generally best to start strict as well seeing as we're in a new semester.
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Re: Disciplining Bad Behavior
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2018, 02:14:39 PM »
For the kids that are constantly talking, rocking back and forth in their chair, or ignoring the teacher altogether, I ask them to stand up and I take their chair. I usually give the chair back once they participate or if I think they're improving. Super effective.

Most of the time, disobedience becomes a chain reaction. So when the whole class forgets our class rules, I either don't reward them for the day, give minus points, or take away their game time. Ideas to replace the class game: writing lines, writing the alphabet (upper and lowercase), or doing individual exit questions.

Other ideas:
-Give them a limit on warnings. For me, if we do the "Be. Quiet." chant 4x in a row without any effect, the whole class doesn't get rewarded.
-Hover over students who misbehave. Sadly, some students are oblivious to what's going on and don't notice for a while. Stopping the whole class and waiting on a kid to correct themselves shows how much they're being disruptive.
-Turn off the lights or cut off the sound until they're ready.
-Lower your voice as you lecture (maybe even just lipsync for a while) so students realize they need to quiet down.

I hope this helps!

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Re: Disciplining Bad Behavior
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2018, 12:50:24 PM »
There's lots of good advice here, but to echo one of the formor posters, a class reward/punishment system is what works for my classes. I don't use a naughty box, but I have a reward/consequence sheet with I bring with me to every class. For good behaviour (answering questions, participating, etc), I check off boxes on the reward sheet. For behaviour I don't care for, I check off boxes on the consequence sheet. I'm a bit harsh because the students need 3 checks on the rewards sheet to get a class stamp (25 stamps = movie day), but if I check even 1 consequence they don't get a stamp. More than 2 consequence checks and they lose a stamp. It felt mean at first, and there were several classes who got no stamps for several weeks, but I stuck with it and let peer pressure do it's thing. Now, all I have to do is give a warning and they pull it together pretty quickly.

Also, this seems a bit silly, but I started off by having the consequences be quite mundane - i.e all my classes need to have their English book, English notebook, pencil, eraser, and clear plastic file EVERY class. If anyone didn't have one of the required materials, I checked the consequence box right away and no one got a stamp. Like I said, a bit silly, but I think the students were so surprised at this rigid expectation that they didn't bother trying anything more extreme.

I hope you can find something that works for you. Sticking with what you decide is the most important, because that more than anything will show the students how to behave in your class. Good luck!
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Re: Disciplining Bad Behavior
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2018, 08:41:16 AM »
Quote from: ak1700 on September 07, 2018, 12:50:24 PM
There's lots of good advice here, but to echo one of the formor posters, a class reward/punishment system is what works for my classes. I don't use a naughty box, but I have a reward/consequence sheet with I bring with me to every class. For good behaviour (answering questions, participating, etc), I check off boxes on the reward sheet. For behaviour I don't care for, I check off boxes on the consequence sheet. I'm a bit harsh because the students need 3 checks on the rewards sheet to get a class stamp (25 stamps = movie day), but if I check even 1 consequence they don't get a stamp. More than 2 consequence checks and they lose a stamp. It felt mean at first, and there were several classes who got no stamps for several weeks, but I stuck with it and let peer pressure do it's thing. Now, all I have to do is give a warning and they pull it together pretty quickly.

Also, this seems a bit silly, but I started off by having the consequences be quite mundane - i.e all my classes need to have their English book, English notebook, pencil, eraser, and clear plastic file EVERY class. If anyone didn't have one of the required materials, I checked the consequence box right away and no one got a stamp. Like I said, a bit silly, but I think the students were so surprised at this rigid expectation that they didn't bother trying anything more extreme.

I hope you can find something that works for you. Sticking with what you decide is the most important, because that more than anything will show the students how to behave in your class. Good luck!

I'm going to try this.

Students not bringing their book or a pen gets on my last nerve. I have a class of 30 and more than half of them don't bother to bring their book or a pen most classes.

Some purposely leave in it their other classroom and demand to be allowed to go get it once the bell has already rang! Sounds mundane but it makes my blood boil haha
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Re: Disciplining Bad Behavior
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2018, 10:08:35 AM »
Quote from: debbiem89 on September 10, 2018, 08:41:16 AM
Quote from: ak1700 on September 07, 2018, 12:50:24 PM
There's lots of good advice here, but to echo one of the formor posters, a class reward/punishment system is what works for my classes. I don't use a naughty box, but I have a reward/consequence sheet with I bring with me to every class. For good behaviour (answering questions, participating, etc), I check off boxes on the reward sheet. For behaviour I don't care for, I check off boxes on the consequence sheet. I'm a bit harsh because the students need 3 checks on the rewards sheet to get a class stamp (25 stamps = movie day), but if I check even 1 consequence they don't get a stamp. More than 2 consequence checks and they lose a stamp. It felt mean at first, and there were several classes who got no stamps for several weeks, but I stuck with it and let peer pressure do it's thing. Now, all I have to do is give a warning and they pull it together pretty quickly.

Also, this seems a bit silly, but I started off by having the consequences be quite mundane - i.e all my classes need to have their English book, English notebook, pencil, eraser, and clear plastic file EVERY class. If anyone didn't have one of the required materials, I checked the consequence box right away and no one got a stamp. Like I said, a bit silly, but I think the students were so surprised at this rigid expectation that they didn't bother trying anything more extreme.

I hope you can find something that works for you. Sticking with what you decide is the most important, because that more than anything will show the students how to behave in your class. Good luck!

I'm going to try this.

Same. What I'm doing now gets results, but I feel like I need something more regimented to help cut down on the beginning-of-the-semester bullshit. This seems like a good system to try out next year.
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Re: Disciplining Bad Behavior
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2018, 02:19:19 PM »
i think whatever system you use, the most important thing is to be consistent
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Re: Disciplining Bad Behavior
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2018, 03:20:11 PM »
Quote from: oglop on September 10, 2018, 02:19:19 PM
i think whatever system you use, the most important thing is to be consistent

YES.

My first mistake was giving up on my chosen system or not rigidly implementing it every single time. Lesson well and truly learned the hard way.
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Re: Disciplining Bad Behavior
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2019, 01:26:38 PM »
I find that a mixture of positive reinforcement and punishment works best. Taking away a whole class' break time has been super effective, although I can't always do this, especially when their lesson is before lunch. Making lessons boring, such as writing lines rather than doing a game, has also been effective. They often find out that other classes have had fun lessons and that they haven't been able to do the same activities because they are worse-behaved.

My reward system has been great, I do the teacher vs. students thing and when they win, I give them a star. Competition between classes has been fierce and one of my worst classes improved drastically when their teacher helped explain it a bit more.

Every class responds to techniques differently though, so you have to find the best methods to suit them. Hope you get/have got them sorted!
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Re: Disciplining Bad Behavior
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2019, 10:23:32 AM »
I do a rewards system. The whole class starts out with 5 stars. If one of the students violates one my classroom rules, the class as a whole loses a star. I find this more effective than managing each kid's individual behavior issues during class time. I also keep the stars on a whiteboard in front of the class a visual cue. At the end of the class, each of those stars amounts to a bonus coupon for each student.  They tend to keep each other in line with this system.  As far as what they can get with their coupons, there has to be some variability so that the kids that like to save up their coupons can get something, and the kids that need immediate reinforcement can get something as well. I think a lack of creativity with the coupon and prize system is relevant too. They really respond to and get excited about a reward system with a bit of imagination thrown into it.  My most successful system was pokemon dollars which they had to trade and collect to redeem for different prizes.
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Re: Disciplining Bad Behavior
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2019, 12:52:48 PM »
Quote from: ak1700 on September 07, 2018, 12:50:24 PM
There's lots of good advice here, but to echo one of the formor posters, a class reward/punishment system is what works for my classes. I don't use a naughty box, but I have a reward/consequence sheet with I bring with me to every class. For good behaviour (answering questions, participating, etc), I check off boxes on the reward sheet. For behaviour I don't care for, I check off boxes on the consequence sheet. I'm a bit harsh because the students need 3 checks on the rewards sheet to get a class stamp (25 stamps = movie day), but if I check even 1 consequence they don't get a stamp. More than 2 consequence checks and they lose a stamp. It felt mean at first, and there were several classes who got no stamps for several weeks, but I stuck with it and let peer pressure do it's thing. Now, all I have to do is give a warning and they pull it together pretty quickly.

Also, this seems a bit silly, but I started off by having the consequences be quite mundane - i.e all my classes need to have their English book, English notebook, pencil, eraser, and clear plastic file EVERY class. If anyone didn't have one of the required materials, I checked the consequence box right away and no one got a stamp. Like I said, a bit silly, but I think the students were so surprised at this rigid expectation that they didn't bother trying anything more extreme.

I hope you can find something that works for you. Sticking with what you decide is the most important, because that more than anything will show the students how to behave in your class. Good luck!

Totally second this. I do something very similar. I cut out loads of stars (about 3-4 in), laminated them, and added a magnet. If everyone 100% had their materials, the class earned a star. Which I put on the whiteboard. If the whole class were exemplary in their behavior, the class earned a star. There are rewards when a homeroom reaches a certain number of stars. And no mercy! After several months, and I've gotten to know the students, maybe cut some slack. I also keep a tub of pencils at the door for kids to grab if they forgot their pencil. But if their butt hits the seat without a pencil, no class star.

I also have an individual reward system. The kids have small charts they've glued into either their English notebook or textbook. They earn a stamp if: 1. Their team wins a game. 2. They demonstrated good effort 3. Their name is drawn from the Magic Box (I have small boxes with the students' names in them. I use this to call on students to answer, read, etc. It's a reward for standing up and speaking in front of the class.)4. Teacher Choice (If I observe a student helping another student or a student doing something especially great.)

I have very few problems, but I'm also at a school with some really nice kids. That makes a huge difference.

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Re: Disciplining Bad Behavior
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2019, 10:11:42 PM »
When I taught in Yongin, I gave detentions to students who misbehaved.
I would make them clean the classroom during their 10-minute breaks.
But I still used positive reinforcement for students who made positive
behaviors in class.
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Re: Disciplining Bad Behavior
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2019, 03:27:16 PM »
Student discipline is incredibly important.   I wish I could say that I worked it out but this would not be true.

I do not like using rewards as I believe it conditions children to work for extrinsic rewards instead of for the joy of learning. 

I have seen some outstanding teachers who were really good at managing classroom behaviour.   Their students  genuinely avoided stepping out of line.  There is a 'fear factor' there.   The best teachers I have seen do raise their voices when it is necessary to do so.

I remember seeing one outstanding grade one teacher in my home country.  A little girl (about 6 Western age) had disobeyed the teacher.  Before the teacher had finished her sentence the student was up moving to the back of the classroom to move her name from the 'green zone' to the first 'red zone'.   This zone system display was on the wall at the back of the classroom.   It went (from the top):

* Green zone
* Red zone (first)
* Red zone (second).   Students did not want their name moved to the 2nd 'red zone'.  The first red zone was bad enough.

On one occasion I did hear this female teacher say to one student "........ you are in the amber zone".
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Re: Disciplining Bad Behavior
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2019, 07:51:05 PM »
One thing I found effective is if you change seating plans. For really bad classes, I changed seating plans every day. I made it random by pulling names out of a bag and putting them up on the board. This is for my after school classes though because they have their own desks with stuff in them during their regular classes.
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Re: Disciplining Bad Behavior
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2019, 02:14:18 PM »
how about writing dairy for a week or 2 weeks?
so that they can think what they did wrong and how to change it in the future.
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