What views Demartino!

The reality that my ears ring 24/7 is not a view. Or maybe that high pitched sounds (like children screaming, or shouting) more than sting, is not a view. That being a teacher for so many years, is a factor in hearing loss and problems associated with sound, is a fact, not my view.
Given this and the fact I have lived here so long, most likely Korea has something to do with ear pain. Okay, this is my view, but pretty reasonable. And, it's not just me.

As for my rebuttal, well, you just don't get it, ever. You have hijacked yet another simple, cordial thread with your pettiness, statistics, and academic confusion. I just wanted to hear how others are having ear problems, simple as that. I'm pretty sure others did as well. But no, that wasn't going once you decided to derail yet another thread.

Not much of a rebuttal, but F...me, what do I know? I'm just an unstable, tattooed meathead.  You can come back with as many retorts as you like. You are what you are, and always will be. You're way better at arguing than me, so you will get me in the end, every time. But, I'm still glad that I'm not you.

The reality that my ears ring 24/7 is not a view. Or maybe that high pitched sounds (like children screaming, or shouting) more than sting, is not a view.

Right, all those things are true, but they do not in and of themselves support the conclusions that you have drawn. They are a possible indicator of a cause, but we also have to then eliminate other potential causes before settling on this one.

That being a teacher for so many years, is a factor in hearing loss and problems associated with sound, is a fact, not my view.
Given this and the fact I have lived here so long, most likely Korea has something to do with ear pain. Okay, this is my view, but pretty reasonable. And, it's not just me.

Okay, but again, this doesn't support the conclusion. Are there other activities you engage in which may expose you to high levels of noise? Would you have had hearing problems if you worked in a different country or in a different profession or both?

I just wanted to hear how others are having ear problems, simple as that. I'm pretty sure others did as well. But no, that wasn't going once you decided to derail yet another thread.

Well if that's all you wanted, why did you have a problem with the suggestion of various other factors? Wouldn't you be like "Oh hell yeah. On top of the little sh*ts at work, I'm doing myself no favors by blasting rock music when I work out and the full volume Battlefield 1 probably isn't helping things either. Not to mention that jackhammer crew outside my apartment and the guy at Lotte Mart."

I mean, that's how I'd react if I was just in a place wanting to hear how others were having problems and someone mentioned other causes. I'd certainly keep an open mind. Also, I'd be grateful if someone pointed out something that may cause damage that I am unaware of. Like "X tech in the home we never notice but actually could be causing us eye/ear/breathing/sleep/etc, problems" What you should do is post what kind of problems you have and then list ALL the things that may have caused it and do detail your behavior and exposure to things throughout your life.

On the other hand if I wasn't there to actually listen and get help, but instead to bitch, moan, and blame then yeah, I guess it would be derailed.

You're way better at arguing than me, so you will get me in the end, every time. But, I'm still glad that I'm not you.

This isn't about someone being better at arguing or being glad you are or are not someone. You being glad you aren't me doesn't solve your ear pain or help you determine any causes of it. This is about your ear issues.

At least that's what you say it's about after post after post of talking about me.

9) Smoking
https://www.bloomhearing.co.uk/en-gb/blog/smoking-and-hearing-loss
10) Air pollution
https://www.hear-it.org/air-pollution-can-cause-hearing-loss

Don't bother. He'd try to school Roger Federer on how to hit a drop-shot and argue with Herbie Hancock on how to modulate.

I don't think this sentence puts you in as good a light and me in as bad of one as you think it does. Read it again and look at the comparisons and presumptions that are being made.

I mean for one, I don't think anyone here remotely comes close to Federer in being a giant in whatever field they're debating. If you think me debating L I X V I I S P Q R C O 2 about Korean bus drivers or whether covering your mouth when you're coughing equates to me challenging Federer and not say, debating a fellow amateur, then I think the one who is maybe perceiving things poorly and has an overestimated sense of their expertise is you, not me.

Put it this way, do you think anyone exploring hearing loss in teachers as part of peer-reviewed research NOT want to control for recreational habits or exposure to noise at earlier parts of their lives? Or would they just go "Yup, it must be the kids. Research over. You're right because you're in pain."

Going out on a limb here, but I'm guessing doctors/researchers would probably ask the same questions I did before leaping to conclude it was workplace-related.

Look, since you're pretty erudite, I'm willing to bet you debated things and at least gave other causes a once over before deciding it was your class. Fair enough, that's actually pretty good. Maybe you did do a careful inventory and reached a conclusion after searching for alternatives (and if you didn't maybe you'd benefit from some argument- within yourself). However I'm not sure that would apply across the board to everyone declaring their hearing loss to be due to the kids in class. It's a fair point to raise those other possibilities.

I don't think I have a problem. Seriously, if you post a health related problem and you've already decided what the cause must be, then you get angry at people for pointing out other possibilities, YOU have the problem.

You know, there's a thing (a trope, a meme, a FACT) where if you run into an asshole now and then, that guy is an a$$hole.

But if almost everybody you meet is an a$$hole, you are the a$$hole.

I'm not saying you are an a$$hole (necessarily), but you are definitely the one with a problem.

Unless of course you're a scientologist and you have reached clear.

He's not better at arguing, he's just unmatched when it comes to stamina.

This is perfect    I love the new snarky Ari!

I did, as did everyone else here and we reached the same conclusion and you don't like it, it's really that simple.
You can spin up more fluff than Baa-Baa Black Sheep, but it wont cover the emotional bias you argue with that everyone sees.


Why should I give the smallest crap what you're sure or unsure about?
You were rude, insensitive, condescending and you seem to have zero objectivity when any hint of criticism to Korea (which this whole post wasn't about) comes along.

Dude, I think you're overreacting. My original post really wasn't that bad by the standards of the site. It was sarcastic, sure, but you did get really overheated about it.

Also, the odds that teaching is the sole cause for everyone's hearing loss who claimed it was because of teaching are very low.

The thing was, there was zero attention or consideration given to other factors. Everyone just went straight to teaching. That's just not a good leap to make.

As far as objectivity, how does listing a bunch of other factors to people who have leapt to the conclusion that it is one factor make me the one that isn't objective? The whole point of the post was to insert objectivity to a conclusion that was baseless and likely biased. If people are exposed to similar levels of noise in both a recreational and occupational setting, human nature says they will almost certainly choose to blame the occupational setting.

I studied classical singing in university and after years of rehearsals with loud af opera singers as well as being subjected to my own volume in small practice rooms, I have a constant ringing in my ears and can tell that my right ear can't hear quite as well as my left. It's not bad enough to make me think I'm actually losing my hearing and I never have a problem with hearing tests, but when I stopped singing I became more aware of it and am trying to keep it from getting worse.
But these kids do not help. I don't know why they seem to think that they need to stand right next to me when I'm sitting at my desk, so they're right at my ear level, and scream for me to hear them when they're just saying "hello teacher!" I know they're excited to see me but man. And then you always have those few students that seem to have a special frequency in their voices that make it feel like they're shooting pins right through your ear drums. 'Tis the life of being a teacher but I'm trying my best to get the kids to understand that I can hear them fine if they speak at a normal volume :') so far it doesn't seem like they believe me

Yeah, even with constant reinforcement, it's difficult to get across outside and inside voices with kids. Or even, 2 meters away vs next to your ear. You just got to keep reminding them on a daily basis until they mostly get it. Most of my students stay with me 5 or 6 years or longer, and they do know that shouting, or more so screaming, isn't on. But I still have to give them 'the stink eye', on occasions.

I'm like you, hearing tests are pretty good, but the ringing and the shooting pins ( a good analogy BTW) make your eyes twist for a moment. The doctor said there's nothing  to help the ringing, but sometimes I don't totally trust the doctor's word. Have you tried anything to lower the buzzing?