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For the sake of "integrity" figure I'd post this. We could all use a laugh these days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDLzLUmtU3w
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  • Waygook Lord

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    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
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They have one of their grad students translate and often get a 2nd pass from editors. Also, like 75% of professors with a staff, their students/interns/assistants write 80% of it while they write 20%. It's their research and project but the boring stuff they leave to those paying their dues. Some do write the whole thing.

This isn't as bad as it sounds. They're getting valuable experience and will get support from their researcher/prof in finding jobs.
I doubt they can do that while studying in the US or the UK for their PhD. Getting students to do his research got a former president of Korea University ousted and has cost others as well.


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    • March 03, 2011, 09:45:24 am
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In uni, I did a fair amount of gruntwork for prof research papers.
I spent about 40 hours going through water sample slides IDing and counting diatoms.
I also spent a few days on a dinghy counting auks, gulls, and various other  waterfowl on their island colonies in the northern part of the Straight of Georgia.

The work was boring as all heck, but it was pretty exhilarating to be doing actual primary research. I even got my name (in very fine print) on the seagull article along with all the rest of the class who participated in it.


I doubt they can do that while studying in the US or the UK for their PhD. Getting students to do his research got a former president of Korea University ousted and has cost others as well.
If they don't supervise the research it's a problem. But it's not if they have a postgrad student type up their data or stuff they've collected and gather information. This is everywhere.

It's like law clerks writing opinions or Congressional interns writing laws. It's just how things work.
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In uni, I did a fair amount of gruntwork for prof research papers.
I spent about 40 hours going through water sample slides IDing and counting diatoms.
I also spent a few days on a dinghy counting auks, gulls, and various other  waterfowl on their island colonies in the northern part of the Straight of Georgia.

The work was boring as all heck, but it was pretty exhilarating to be doing actual primary research. I even got my name (in very fine print) on the seagull article along with all the rest of the class who participated in it.
The Korean professors weren't giving the students any credit, which I think is what got them into hot water.


  • Kyndo
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    • March 03, 2011, 09:45:24 am
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The Korean professors weren't giving the students any credit, which I think is what got them into hot water.
Yeah, that's pretty shady.
If you rope somebody in to help out, you better give them some kind of credit.

On a tangent, what are ethics involved in giving recompense rather than credit?


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There are legitimate editing and proofing companies that specialize in academic papers - theoretically open to everyone, but mainly used by people whose first language isn't English. Enago is a major one. There's another big one based in Taiwan, the name of which escapes me. Some of the main academic publishing companies like Wiley, Taylor and Francis, etc. also offer pre-submission supplemental editing services. With some of those companies, there's definitely a blurry line between refining and outsourcing a person's work, and there can also be a mismatch in expectations between editor and researcher. Unsurprisingly, countries that have a deep-rooted culture of copying and cheating send a lot of terrible papers, expecting the editing services to work some kind of magic and make them publishable. The best these companies can really do is take a good paper and make it great, or save a mediocre paper from automatic rejection. The better companies will allow their editors to preview a paper before agreeing to edit it, so if it's a complete turd it'll get passed over. In those cases, the author will keep shopping around until they find some shady operator who will take it, a process that is almost certainly followed by rejection from journals and then outraged e-mails from the author about how they were promised publication, etc. etc.



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Yeah, that's pretty shady.
If you rope somebody in to help out, you better give them some kind of credit.

On a tangent, what are ethics involved in giving recompense rather than credit?

Typically, compensation involves getting credit hours toward your advanced degree.


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No, I mean *compensation*. Not something we already paid for lol.

No, I kid. I basically bought my degree with my amazing ability to look through a microscope/binoculars and count things for hours on end.


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  • Waygook Lord

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No, I mean *compensation*. Not something we already paid for lol.

No, I kid. I basically bought my degree with my amazing ability to look through a microscope/binoculars and count things for hours on end.
An admirable skill.