Read 3483 times

  • hangook77
  • Waygook Lord

    • 5607

    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
    • Near Busan
Re: Discrimination against Male Teachers
« Reply #40 on: October 31, 2022, 03:27:15 pm »
What's the deal?

My director told me she won't renew my contract because they want to hire a female teacher. My foreign co-worker said that before he got hired at our academy, he was denied from a different branch of the same academy because they wanted a female teacher. I've seen it numerous times in job postings "Looking for female teachers only". If they were looking for a female teacher the whole time, it really feels like they just temporarily hired us because pickings were slim.

On the surface level, sure, I get why academies do it. But it's just wierdly normalized here. This is legitimate discrimination based on gender, but nobody seems to really talk about it.

Apparently all the new EPIK hires in my area I am told are females.  Maybe a couple of guys.  It use to be mostly guys who came to Korea. 

Well, maybe now some of you will tell Korea to screwoff.  Gotta go to where the demand outstrips the supply and pays you much better too.

So, as I always say, go to China. 

Korea can be arrogant and obnoxious without you.  If they want female teachers because they will be more complaint with worse and worse work environments then let them have each other. 

(I guess in my case, I have to wait for the vaccine restrictions to get lifted.  But for those of you who took it and don't care, go for it.  Country is already opening up and sending out PU letters.) 

Billy?  Care to interject here?

Korea is getting dumber and dumber all the time.....

The ease of hiring teachers lately has made them become smaller and smaller minded just because they can.  I have no doubt decades from now, China will do the same.  But that day is not today. 
745sticky, Augustiner, Bakeacake, D.L.Orean, Lazio, Mithras, Renma, Rye are still blocked and I can't see them.


Re: Discrimination against Male Teachers
« Reply #41 on: October 31, 2022, 04:40:04 pm »


Billy?  Care to interject here?



I think most people can check my posting history. I don't have much to say that I haven't said already.
Beyond Inappropriate


  • Bakeacake
  • Expert Waygook

    • 545

    • July 12, 2010, 01:35:40 pm
    • Pohang South Korea
Re: Discrimination against Male Teachers
« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2022, 06:19:17 pm »
Apparently all the new EPIK hires in my area I am told are females.  Maybe a couple of guys.  It use to be mostly guys who came to Korea. 

Well, maybe now some of you will tell Korea to screwoff.  Gotta go to where the demand outstrips the supply and pays you much better too.

So, as I always say, go to China. 

Korea can be arrogant and obnoxious without you.  If they want female teachers because they will be more complaint with worse and worse work environments then let them have each other. 

(I guess in my case, I have to wait for the vaccine restrictions to get lifted.  But for those of you who took it and don't care, go for it.  Country is already opening up and sending out PU letters.) 

Billy?  Care to interject here?

Korea is getting dumber and dumber all the time.....

The ease of hiring teachers lately has made them become smaller and smaller minded just because they can.  I have no doubt decades from now, China will do the same.  But that day is not today. 

the statistics of women vs men who go into the field of teaching staggeringly skews toward woman. is not surprise that the majority of new hires are woman, as that is overwhelmingly the gender that goes into the profession.

more so for teaching primary school,  which epik is almost entirely consisting of these days

they're choosing who they want.  They have a massive pool to choose from. Im certain that if asked to defend their choice of a woman over a man, they would have ample evidence and qualifications to point toward.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2022, 12:07:43 pm by Kyndo »


  • gogators!
  • Waygook Lord

    • 6341

    • March 16, 2016, 04:35:48 pm
    • Seoul
Re: Discrimination against Male Teachers
« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2022, 10:39:28 pm »
Good points by the baker, but don't forget one of the big reasons Koreans favor female teachers is that they and their children find them less threatening than make teachers.


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

    • 7966

    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Discrimination against Male Teachers
« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2022, 12:45:46 am »
the statistics of women vs men who go into the field of teaching staggeringly skews toward woman. is not surprise that the majority of new hires are woman, as that is overwhelmingly the gender that goes into the profession.

True, but when it comes to teaching English abroad, more men than women are applying. Women in general have stronger familial bonds / friendship bonds in their places of origin, meaning they’re less likely to come, and once here, less likely to stay for more than a year. Recruiters / job positions get more male applicants than females applicants. But female applicants are who are preferred. At every level, including university.


  • Kyndo
  • Moderator LVL 1

    • I am a geek!!

    • March 02, 2027, 11:00:00 pm
    • 🇰🇷
Re: Discrimination against Male Teachers
« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2022, 09:42:12 am »
At every level, including university.
One of the big universities in my area employs approximately 70 native English speaking instructors. Of those, only 7 or 8 are female. This looks *really* bad during department reviews.  :huh:
Last year when they hired a handful of new instructors, I was told that so long as the female applicants meets the basic requirements and don't come across as a complete psychopath during the interview, they were pretty much guaranteed a job.

For me, this immediately raised 2 questions:

1) Why were they hiring new professors when student intakes are at record lows, classes have been cancelled for the last 2 or 3 semesters due to insufficient student enrollment, and nearly a third of all the instructors are being forced to do 1 on 1 tutoring in lieu of teaching a class in order to retain their pay?

2) Why were there so very few female instructors hired in previous years that the gender ratio has become so incredibly skewed, and why does the uni have so much trouble retaining its female employees?


  • L I
  • Waygook Lord

    • 7966

    • October 03, 2011, 01:50:58 pm
Re: Discrimination against Male Teachers
« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2022, 10:29:23 am »
Ask someone on a uni hiring committee about the gender of the applicants. Almost all male. (And they get hundreds of applicants.) Most long termers in the English teaching abroad path aren’t female. Very few are.


  • Kyndo
  • Moderator LVL 1

    • I am a geek!!

    • March 02, 2027, 11:00:00 pm
    • 🇰🇷
Re: Discrimination against Male Teachers
« Reply #47 on: November 01, 2022, 11:13:47 am »
That was true for my local unis back in the day as well, but its not nearly as skewed presently. The majority of applicants are male, but the percentage is probably more along the lines of 70-30. Or at least, that seems to be the ratio in my neck of the woods. I wonder how significant the differences in gender ratios are depending on province, or urban vs more rural areas.


  • hangook77
  • Waygook Lord

    • 5607

    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
    • Near Busan
Re: Discrimination against Male Teachers
« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2022, 11:56:40 am »
I think most people can check my posting history. I don't have much to say that I haven't said already.

Fair enough.
745sticky, Augustiner, Bakeacake, D.L.Orean, Lazio, Mithras, Renma, Rye are still blocked and I can't see them.


  • Bakeacake
  • Expert Waygook

    • 545

    • July 12, 2010, 01:35:40 pm
    • Pohang South Korea
Re: Discrimination against Male Teachers
« Reply #49 on: November 01, 2022, 01:41:41 pm »
Not sure where your ignorant hatred is coming from.  Maybe you should try harder asshole, instead of trolling me.  The picture of the new EPIK hires gathering this past fall that was sent to me were 98 per cent women and yes I was told they were mostly women.  So, it was confirmed to me in my area.  But you go back to being an obnoxious pompous ass.

At any rate, most of the people who use to teach in Korea were men.  But it has been more evenly split in recent years.  There are plenty of women in spite of the stereotype that actually don't like kids nor teaching with them.  But given that it's devolved into a low paying job, maybe they hire more women because they will complain less about that?  Hard to say. 

can you post the picture of the new epik hirees that was sent yo you?


Re: Discrimination against Male Teachers
« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2022, 09:21:34 pm »
Those teachers are ideal.

I thought I smelled a urinal cake.


Re: Discrimination against Male Teachers
« Reply #51 on: November 01, 2022, 10:13:44 pm »
Beyond Inappropriate


Re: Discrimination against Male Teachers
« Reply #52 on: November 02, 2022, 01:30:06 pm »
You like that, huh?

I hear you're slacking off these days, Billy.


Re: Discrimination against Male Teachers
« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2022, 06:29:11 am »
What's the deal? But it's just wierdly normalized here. This is legitimate discrimination based on gender, but nobody seems to really talk about it.

The deal is that “discrimination” and “racism” are concepts and values from current Anglo-civilization. You assume that is a thing here, in a different civilization. However you have assumed wrong; in fact recognizing that the myriad of things differ and treating them appropriately differently is a thing here. Not only is recognizing the non-equality of things not immoral, but it is considered delusional to think otherwise.


Re: Discrimination against Male Teachers
« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2022, 06:54:55 am »
At least in Korea they're upfront about it. I thought it was comical that on may job applications in the US there is some notice about a non-discrimination policy despite being asked to provide your race, gender, abled-bodied status, and veteran status so that they can discriminate. If you're an abled-bodied white male who hasn't served in the military then you're SOL for a lot of jobs.

Maybe next time you interview at the local Applebee's don't start spouting off about white genocide conspiracy theories the way you do here.


  • lonestar_mel
  • Adventurer

    • 25

    • January 03, 2022, 11:45:11 am
    • Asan-si, Republic of Korea
Re: Discrimination against Male Teachers
« Reply #55 on: November 14, 2022, 01:28:34 pm »
My best friend and I applied together to teach in Korea. Once via EPIK, and the other via Recruiter. She didn't have any teaching experience like I did, but she was able to secure a position in August 2021 at a Hagwon. We both interviewed for the same Hagwon. When she arrived, she told me the parents at her academy only wanted female teachers. Idk why they bothered to interview me LOL. Sometimes, it's the parents who influence the decision at Hagwons.

As for myself going into a Public School, all my co-workers at my school told me the kids tend to listen to male teachers because a male voice sounds more strict. Chungnam Office of Education also doesn't care about gender when it comes to selecting teachers since the decision isn't being made by helicopter parents.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2022, 02:25:39 pm by lonestar_mel »