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  • Mr C
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    • October 17, 2012, 03:00:40 pm
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Re: Does anyone know what happened to After School Programs
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2023, 04:23:44 pm »
https://youtube.com/shorts/jofLAekIfmg?feature=share

Yeah,  wokeness isnt an issue at all.  Progressives make complete sense.

Are you suggesting wokeness has happened to afterschool jobs?


  • Kyndo
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Re: Does anyone know what happened to After School Programs
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2023, 07:30:24 am »
Are you suggesting wokeness has happened to afterschool jobs?
Absolutely. When was the last time you were allowed to sleep during one of your lessons? Damn all this mandatory wokeness!  >:(


  • hangook77
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    • September 14, 2017, 09:10:12 am
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Re: Does anyone know what happened to After School Programs
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2023, 08:08:55 am »
In my case, it's in addition to my existing job.
I suspect that it would not be possible for an E-2 visa holder to do after school prgrammes as their *only* job, as it would be next to impossible to make it a full time job without going against E-2 visa sponsorship requirements (namely, the position must be full time, without sub-contracting).

I don't know why it became such a bog deal.  It was not a big deal several years ago.  I remember lots of E2's did them.   I think the corporate gigs are also blocked from E2s now.  Not sure if it's the companies themselves doing this or not though. 


  • Kyndo
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Re: Does anyone know what happened to After School Programs
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2023, 08:38:11 am »
I don't know why it became such a bog deal.  It was not a big deal several years ago.  I remember lots of E2's did them.   I think the corporate gigs are also blocked from E2s now.  Not sure if it's the companies themselves doing this or not though. 
I don't have direct knowledge of the precise reasons, but here's my opinion why we presently see a lot less of this available to E2s :

I think it's a change in how the jobs are structured. It used to be (and maybe it's still the case? I'm not certain) that there were agencies that hired E-2s on a full time basis, and then basically sub contracted them to various schools that needed after school teachers / company lessons).

This was (and still is) of questionable legality.
We're seeing this kind of employment a lot less because, I'm assuming, immigration is now holding those companies more liable: rather than just slapping the E2 holder with a fine and/or deportation, theyre also going after the companies with fines and closures. Combine this with more frequent checks, and it becomes less profitable to subcontract E2s out. Also, E2s are a bit more aware of Korean labour laws these days (due to easy access of English language translations etc), so it's harder to convince teachers to risk their stay in Korea over these kinds of jobs.


  • hangook77
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Re: Does anyone know what happened to After School Programs
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2023, 09:47:55 am »
I don't have direct knowledge of the precise reasons, but here's my opinion why we presently see a lot less of this available to E2s :

I think it's a change in how the jobs are structured. It used to be (and maybe it's still the case? I'm not certain) that there were agencies that hired E-2s on a full time basis, and then basically sub contracted them to various schools that needed after school teachers / company lessons).

This was (and still is) of questionable legality.
We're seeing this kind of employment a lot less because, I'm assuming, immigration is now holding those companies more liable: rather than just slapping the E2 holder with a fine and/or deportation, theyre also going after the companies with fines and closures. Combine this with more frequent checks, and it becomes less profitable to subcontract E2s out. Also, E2s are a bit more aware of Korean labour laws these days (due to easy access of English language translations etc), so it's harder to convince teachers to risk their stay in Korea over these kinds of jobs.

Still not sure sure why it's a risk to hire E2s.  Just hire them, send them, and pay them.  Seems easy enough.


  • Kyndo
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Re: Does anyone know what happened to After School Programs
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2023, 10:42:00 am »
Still not sure sure why it's a risk to hire E2s.  Just hire them, send them, and pay them.  Seems easy enough.

As I see it, it is because many of the companies that hire E2 workers didn't actually operate the schools that required the after school classes. They worked essentially as a middle-man or agency: schools with an open position would pay the company to provide them with an E-2 teacher. In turn, that agency would pay the E2 teacher.

The problem is, visa regulations state that the emploer hiring the E2 must be the one that's providing the teaching job. In the above situation, this isn't happening.

This used to be alright with the companies because if immigration found out and decided that some enforcement of regulations was necessary, they would most often just punish the teacher. However, not only is immigration now enforcing those regulations more often, but they are now also punishing the companies as well. This means it is becoming less and less profitable to run an E2 teacher agency, and hence, you'll see less adverts looking for full-time afterschool teachers with E2 visas.


Re: Does anyone know what happened to After School Programs
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2023, 07:19:05 pm »
Are you suggesting wokeness has happened to afterschool jobs?

I had no idea i had posted that comment here.  Was obviously for another thread. 

Mods can feel free to clean it up if they like