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Online Skyehawks

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Korean Student Study Behavior Issues
« on: April 17, 2017, 08:46:44 AM »
So here is the scenario:

I teach both grade 1 and 3 in high school this year. I taught grade 3 last year, but grade 1 is new to me this year.

On day two of the semester I gave out their midterm speaking test scenarios (only 3 of them). 1st grade also found their speaking test partners that day as well.

3rd grade found out last week (They are third grade, have had me before, and should be able to have these conversations already)


Regardless of the fact that I have given their speaking test questions to them almost 2 months in advance, have given specialized lessons with at least 1 day spend on a game or video set that covered key word phrases used in each of the speaking test, and spending and entire class on script writing their conversation answers, I am still getting messages from students saying that "this is hard."

me:

you have had your questions for almost two months now
1st grade has known their speaking test partner since day 2
3rd grade has had speaking tests proctored by me before
I have covered each scenario in depth with their own lessons
I have given you an entire class to write your answers with two teachers in the class to ask for help if needed
I have opened up my facebook or Kakao to anyone who needs help to message me and ask
This is a conversation test between two students
The test is to have a conversation of at least 2 minutes
This means each student just has to talk for 1 minute


Them: Teacher, even though the test is in three days, I just started yesterday.... This is so hard


Me: idgaf at this point- I have done my job



Has anyone else put this much effort in a conversation class towards a speaking test and encountered students still doing work at the last minute and complaining?

Only one student bothered to ask me for help with a script through social media (yes I helped them with it)

But seriously, after all this time, there is little I could have done to make the test easier than it already is.

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Re: Korean Student Study Behavior Issues
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2017, 09:52:21 AM »
I remember you posting about this speaking test a while back.  It's a nice take on how to do a speaking test and sounds like you put a lot of thought and effort into it.

I guess the students decided it's too hard and can't be bothered.  Maybe it's the first time they've encountered this style of speaking test.  It's a shame your CTs haven't backed you up a little bit more.  But yea, don't worry because you've done your job, you can't do much more.

My speaking test is five simple questions and I give them two or three example answers for each, about a month before so they can prepare.  No one does though.  It's one of those times when you have to accept that no one really cares and you just have to switch to zombie mode and sleepwalk through it and not worry too much.

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Re: Korean Student Study Behavior Issues
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2017, 10:51:55 AM »
Well my coteacher also knows I gave them the answers on day two. I also went over in detail the type of conversation each is and what each conversation should include.

Since 27 students is my highest class, that is only 14 groups aka 28 minutes. I am even giving them about 10 minutes to study before the test in class after going through what the test will look like, how it will be given, and the guidelines for losing points again.

My coteacher even told me

"They will have trouble. Of course they deserve it."


me: awesome coteacher who understands for the win

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Re: Korean Student Study Behavior Issues
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2017, 11:45:58 AM »
I remember you posting about this speaking test a while back.  It's a nice take on how to do a speaking test and sounds like you put a lot of thought and effort into it.

I guess the students decided it's too hard and can't be bothered.  Maybe it's the first time they've encountered this style of speaking test.  It's a shame your CTs haven't backed you up a little bit more.  But yea, don't worry because you've done your job, you can't do much more.

My speaking test is five simple questions and I give them two or three example answers for each, about a month before so they can prepare.  No one does though.  It's one of those times when you have to accept that no one really cares and you just have to switch to zombie mode and sleepwalk through it and not worry too much.



I can really relate to your situation. I have been teaching Convo and Grammar to Intermediate ESL students and they are always complaining about Performance Tasks and home works. When I give them a task, they will not do it until the day of the presentation.
Good thing I have found a solution about that.
I've prepared evaluation sheets for each of them and that will be an attachment to their certifications to be sent to their parents.  ;D

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Re: Korean Student Study Behavior Issues
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2017, 01:17:32 PM »
Kudos for putting in all the effort, but I think to expect them to begin studying 2 months ahead of time, even if you give the material to them way early is not realistic. That's so far off that they have a lot of things competing for their time before that. 

I understand your frustration but also look at it from the students' point of view. Your speaking test (I presume) is worth 10% of their overall English score. On top of that, they have lots of other subjects and such to study for so yes, a lot of them will leave it to the last minute. 

I don't give my students any speaking test material until 1-2 weeks before the actual test because I know they won't study it until just a few days before the actual test. I know as a student myself, I typically did the same when I was in high school and uni. There's nothing wrong with putting all that effort in, and you should commended for it. But I would set more realistic expectations because you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2017, 01:26:03 PM by bjinglee »

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Re: Korean Student Study Behavior Issues
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2017, 02:22:03 PM »
I expected procrastination. I, myself, was one. But what I am commenting on is how they do things last minute, when I even had a class to work on the answers. AS IN some of them did not even start writing their answers until after the class in which i set aside the week before to work on answers together. I.E. they did bubkis/bupkis in that class.

I was not expecting them to work on it since the day I gave it to them. That is why I purposely designed class games or video lessons that introduced all the necessary vocabulary and phrases that they need to use in their answers.

What I do not understand is some of them essentially saying "I find English hard, so I will put in as little effort as possible because I am not going to do well anyway."

That mentality is what gets me. I understand foreign languages are hard, but still for some of them to put 0 effort in until 3 days before the test astounds me.

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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2017, 08:20:12 PM »
This isn't a Korean thing in the least. Where I am in the States, give kids several days to build something, tell them which materials they have to bring, and find that they start on the day before it's due and complain that you didn't give them the things you told them to bring themselves.

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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2017, 10:04:42 PM »
This isn't a Korean thing in the least. Where I am in the States, give kids several days to build something, tell them which materials they have to bring, and find that they start on the day before it's due and complain that you didn't give them the things you told them to bring themselves.


Basically.  Procrastination (and complaining) is pretty universal.  I did my fair share of procrastinating while in school but I was well aware that was on me so didn't complain lol.  Some of my peers definitely liked to whinge though. 

For my middle schools I'm expected to create and facilitate speaking tests. I just give them the materials the day of as they should already know the key expressions from previous classes. At the beginning of class I'll do a brief review, then I'll let them practice for a few minutes until they're ready (I have tiny classes so this is all doable within one class period with time to spare at the end for a game or some activity). 

Last year I made dialogues where they would fill in the blanks with their own answers then practice with partners before being tested.  Speaking tests are usually pretty brief (but the frequency is generally every three weeks)-- half a page typed on average (double spaced like a script), a full page sometimes (generally for the 3rd graders).  Even though levels were all over the place, most seemed to memorize their dialogue pretty easily. 

This year I'm mixing it up with a different setup though I may still do some scripted fill-in-the-blank dialogue.  I create 6 variations to plug into the key expression/s, practice all of them with the class, then each student has to roll a die 2 - 3 times and say the correct key expression that's been assigned to the rolled number (images accompany each as well).  Usually I try to make a question that goes with the key expression for the entire class to ask the student that's being tested. 

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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2017, 11:03:00 PM »
my experience teaching HS students: if it's not on the suneung, they won't give a crap. your speaking tests might be worth some small percentage of their coursework mark, but in the grand scheme of things that's such a small percentage that it's completely meaningless to them. instead they're too busy focused on studying some obscure english grammar point that no-one has used since 1912. and this starts even from 1st grade HS.

that might sound negative, but i mean it in a good way. if you adjust your expectations accordingly, you won't be quite so disappointed. expect no-one to do the work, and be surprised and give a lot of praise to the students who do. they will appreciate it and really remember it.

i've sure we all had subjects at school and/or university we didn't care about, and put minimal effort into. for a lot of these HS students, that subject is english conversation class. sucks since that's what we teach, but yeah.

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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2017, 11:24:52 AM »
Also keep in mind that your Grade 3 high school students are also studying and preparing for their 수능 all year long, and that's a lot more relevant of a worry than an English speaking test.

As others have suggested, it sounds like you worked hard and prepared something, but you should also try to avoid getting frustrated that the students aren't falling in perfectly with what you planned. They have a lot of other classes, subjects, and tests.

Consider shortening your time frame, like a few others suggested.



I totally agree with this.  :laugh:
There was an incident when my students didn't even open the mini workbooks I handed out to them. They even told me that they were just forced by their parents to study English.

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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2017, 12:06:42 PM »
I've done these speaking tests before.

As was mentioned before: Have the students create something the week before. They present their creation the next class period. Collect their work sense some will lose it.

The day of the speaking test: Give the students their material back. Give them 10 minutes to practice. Ask for volunteers. If no one volunteers, have the group that went previous select the next group.

**Important note: Give the students general feedback the same class period. And send their grades to their main teacher the same day.

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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2018, 01:02:47 PM »
in some case, agree with you