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Offline Brennand

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Grade 1 and Grade 2 afterschool nightmare
« on: March 18, 2013, 10:21:32 PM »
Hi Waygooks,

I am a fresh new EPIK teacher in the tiniest town in Gyeongnam.  So far I feel like I am drowning and I am a terrible teacher.  My co-teacher does not help at all with lesson planning and is not capable of producing a complete English sentence. 

I have to teach one grade 1 and one grade 2 afterschool class.  This isn't much I know, but I am lost as to what I should be doing with them.  For grade 1 I have the grade 1 teacher to help me out which is nice except that I think she has her own idea of what a good English lesson is and it is not what I am doing.  Since I wasn't given a textbook I just jumped right into teaching "Head & Shoulders" and Phonics.  With tons of repetition my last class seemed to be working.  However, the teacher was 'surprised' that I didn't have textbooks for them and told me I should get them...as though it's my responsibility.  How does this work?  Am I actually supposed to travel 1.5hrs to the nearest city so that I can find a bookstore that might carry some lame textbook for 6-year-olds?  I have to teach them tomorrow and I have no idea what to do.  I was going to stick with phonics but I'm worried that the grade 1 teacher is going to think I'm terrible.

Grade 2 is another story.  I don't have a co-teacher for that one and they tore me to shreds last week.  Half the class was listening to me until they got distracted by the other half of the class that seemed to be training for MMA in the back.  Why do these kids constantly hit each other??  Any ideas for how to structure lessons in a way that keeps their attention as well as ways to maintain control?

Any help on these issues will be much appreciated.  Thanks fellow Waygooks!

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Re: Grade 1 and Grade 2 afterschool nightmare
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2013, 11:57:36 PM »
Here's a similar thread. I posted my daily schedule there.

http://www.waygook.org/index.php/topic,52308.msg338570.html#msg338570

I also use Sadlier Phonics Level K as opposed to the alphabet package that I attached to my post in the other thread.

Is this an actual after school program? The kind where you have to sign another contract? If so, and you were hired through your school rather than an after school program provider, then technically you are responsible for getting the books yourself. I didn't realise this until my school told me that I must use and get books for the class. Actually, they forgot to tell me and then I had no books and was, "tsk, tsk'd," for not having books. So, I had my CoT send me a generic text that told the parents that they could either purchase the book themselves or send their kid with money. I sent the text to all of the mothers (they already had my number from the sign up sheet, so I wasn't giving anything away). Based on their responses and with the help of my CoT, I ordered the books from Kyobo.

Kyobo - Sadlier Phonics Level K

http://www.kyobobook.co.kr/product/detailViewEng.laf?ejkGb=ENG&mallGb=ENG&barcode=9780821579008&orderClick=LAW&Kc=
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Re: Grade 1 and Grade 2 afterschool nightmare
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2013, 12:15:55 AM »
Thanks a lot, Teacha!

It's an afterschool program at my school and it is part of my regular teaching hours.  So I guess by what you're saying is that I do in fact need to get textbooks.

My co-teacher mentioned something on like the first day but I didn't really understand and I actually took it as just a casual suggestion.  It still kind of boggles me that I would be expected to research textbooks and have them ordered within a week of arriving and not knowing anything about my Ss or teaching little kids in general. 

How did you go about finding your textbook?  Did you find that the Sadlier Phonics book that you mentioned was a good one?

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Re: Grade 1 and Grade 2 afterschool nightmare
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2013, 12:30:43 AM »
No problem.

Actually, mine is not a part of my regular teaching hours. It's additional. They were going to hire a teacher from an after school program, but offered me the work first.

I also teach a grade 3/4 and a 5/6 after school class that ARE a part of my regular work hours. I was not expected to get books for those classes, but I chose to anyway because it makes lesson planning a heck of a lot easier.

As for the Sadlier Phonics book... I will admit that I felt as if I was in a crunch and had to make a quick decision as to which book I should choose. I used to work at a hagwon and used the Sadlier Level K with my prekindergartens, so I was already familiar with it. Honestly, I didn't mind the Sadlier Phonics series. Although I didn't like the pace in which I was expected to finish the book at my old hagwon (waaayyyyyy too quickly - pretty much, "GO GO GO... no time to explain... WRIIIIIIIITE!"), I kind of liked the books. They're quite simple and thorough.
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Re: Grade 1 and Grade 2 afterschool nightmare
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2013, 10:41:19 AM »
Half the class was listening to me until they got distracted by the other half of the class that seemed to be training for MMA in the back.  Why do these kids constantly hit each other?? 

No useful advice for you but this cracked me up. I have 12 first graders afterschool with no co-teacher and I know exactly what you mean. Fortunately (or unfortunately) mine isn't a 'real class', which the kids know, so I'm just planning to do crafts with the kids that are interested and let those who aren't run amok as long as they aren't hurting each other.

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Re: Grade 1 and Grade 2 afterschool nightmare
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2013, 11:07:08 AM »
I normally stick with the alphabet and phonics on the first few lessons. You can use starfall.com and youtube for songs until you get a textbook.

 Also, try to get a chant or rhythm you can teach the kids to get their attention. It also helps to have a bag of candy with you. Ask them very simple questions and ask them to raise their hands. You can show them by raising yours. I normally reward for effort, too. This will get their attention but not for long so make sure you have a funny quick video to show them.

I find that with the younger kids, the class needs to be fast paced and loud.

I will upload an example lesson that I used previously that worked well after lunch.

I'm normally stern with multiple violators and normally send them to a rear table if it gets too much, but don't be too stern. They are very young children after all

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Re: Grade 1 and Grade 2 afterschool nightmare
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2013, 04:47:18 PM »
I teach both 1st and 2nd Grade once per week and struggled to keep their attention until I began using a very simple system of reward/punishment.
 
I draw three squares on the board and put an 'X' in a square every time there is a disruption. It's actually quite funny to see how serious the kids get and to watch them scold their classmates for misbehaving.

I tell them that the choice is a fun game, if they're good or '손모리' (hands on your head) game for three 'X's. I've yet to fill those three boxes!

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Re: Grade 1 and Grade 2 afterschool nightmare
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2013, 05:43:11 PM »
Completely the same situation with me.  I teach 1st and 2nd grade after school classes by myself with about 20 first graders and 15 2nd graders (separate classes both twice/week). There English level (on a scale from 1-10) is 0-1. I am the least stressed out person you will meet and I am absolutely frustrated. However, there's hope....

My co-eacher showed me this link on Naver.com that has phonics and vocab lessons.  They each include a simple story, chants and songs as well as some Korean translations and sounds.  I have yet to put it into use but I'm sure it will be much more practical then what I had planned previously with the kids.  I will use them for two days each and with lots of motions.

Check it out if you are completely lost like I was. Hope this helps.

Here's the link:

http://study.jr.naver.com/hbstudy/phonics/

 

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Re: Grade 1 and Grade 2 afterschool nightmare
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2013, 06:36:00 PM »
The first month is gonna be slow going and with lots of disciplining, just accept it. And yeah, you're gonna have to be a shouty teacher for a bit. At the end of the month if they all know the alphabet and some phonics that's enough.

Personally I have a bell system, (one ring, clap, two rings, clap hands on head etc) and I will just keep going with that until every single child is co-operating. Put them in teams and do team points. Kids don't care about individual points, but they love to tell off other people in their team. Boys that are fighting can stand at the back facing the wall for five minutes. Even if you can't really control them, after a while they'll be complaining to their moms about how it's not fun and they won't be signed up again, to be completely honest.

As for the textbook....I'd just ignore it until someone actually makes you do it...

Added: also structure. I write everything we're gonna do on the board at the start, make sure it's clear you'll be playing a game, but that they have to do other stuff first.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2013, 06:38:45 PM by sarahxcore »

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Re: Grade 1 and Grade 2 afterschool nightmare
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2013, 07:07:50 PM »
I'm right there with you, Brennand. My situation is that I teach grade 1 by myself (with Korean homeroom teacher in room, or maybe outside the room...); grade 2 by myself (with or without Korean homeroom teacher); grade 1 & 2 after school (about 20 students, half of whom did not show up yesterday) - completely by myself - no other teacher; and grade 3 & 4 after school - also completely by myself. (and regular lessons with co-teacher for the other grades, 3-6)

I was told to choose my topics for after school lessons for the entire year ... on like my second or third day on the job. I am new to Korea, new to teaching. So I chose some topics. I'm worrying that some of them will be too difficult or should be stretched over a longer period of time.

Today's second grade regular class was a nightmare. The kids were bored. I felt bad. They were noisy. Yesterday's after school (1 & 2) I THOUGHT would go well, but the kids wouldn't listen to a story, didn't care about a song, and wouldn't play the game. Last week after school (3 & 4) was too above their level, my fault, and they were bored/confused. I felt bad.

My friends have all been offering suggestions but somehow, what they're telling me just isn't clicking in my head. What on earth do I do for 1) regular lessons for grades 1 and 2 and 2) after school lessons for 1 & 2 and also 3 & 4? I have 3 & 4 after school tomorrow and I'm scrambling to find an idea for "in the home."

Regular lessons for 3-6 are going okay. I think I suck less now even in the second full week of classes. But grades 1 & 2, and the after school classes - i.e. the classes where I'm on my own - I feel totally overwhelmed and confused.

The kids are cute and I want to like them, but right now I'm just dreading having to deal with the young ones or the bored 9 & 10 year olds. I'm taking any and all advice. If I can just get through the week, maybe I can spend the weekend planning the next few weeks and make my life easier.

Waygook, help a new, frazzled teacher! Much thanks.

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Re: Grade 1 and Grade 2 afterschool nightmare
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2013, 11:10:07 PM »
I'll tell you, I feel bad for you. What they're doing to you is really unfair. You aren't supposed to have to teach them alone. That's not how the system is supposed to work. What you've got are lazy co-teachers who would rather sit in the teacher's room and play with their phones than help you, right?

What I would like to suggest is telling one of the handlers that you really, really need some help in the room during the AS classes so that the students understand what they should do and how they need to behave. You have tried to tell them but they don't understand. Given this, you cannot teach them anything and the classes are not helping the students. They need to help. Not teach, but help.

If they just won't, you'll have to dial back your expectations. For the smallest ones, you'll have to work with songs. Use ABC Song and various others like Body Song. Do lots of worksheets involving coloring. As to the horrible ones who won't sit down and fight and etc, just ignore them. Really. If you ever get any complaints, just say, 'I asked <co-teacher> to help me deal with these students, but they wouldn't help. So, I had no choice but to only work with the students who would listen/behave.' Don't get caught up in the hopeless cause of trying to discipline a first grader who doesn't know any English. That won't get you anywhere.

For the older ones, what I would do is lots of stuff about them. And creative stuff. They like to draw and make things, so do like art classes. Have them make their own house after you talk about rooms. Make monsters after talking about body parts. Draw their town using location words. Make family trees. Make class schedules. Make calendars so they can talk about their birthdays. They take FOREVER to finish these things, often, so you can stretch it out over several classes. All you need is the paper [colored is best] and crayons. Scissors and glue will let them go further, though. Once they start with that, they will become MUCH quieter. Then you can have them come up and do 'presentations' to you, which you can reward with stickers [they LOVE stickers. Trust me on this. Go to Dream Depot and ask to see their sticker racks, and get a few sheets. They will go crazy to get these, especially if you give them a badge or something where they can 'collect' them and compare theirs to their friends'].

For the record, I STRONGLY object to this idea that NETs should be expected to handle disciplining and teaching 1G and 2G ES students alone. These students know NO English. They hardly know [written] Korean. It is completely unreasonable and irresponsible to expect a NET to handle them alone. I've done it and it's a zoo. Korean CTs HAVE to be present or it's meaningless. Even the good ones won't learn anything in that environment.

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Re: Grade 1 and Grade 2 afterschool nightmare
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2013, 12:08:26 AM »
I have a similar grade 2 class for 3 weeks now, as my topic was linked to by teachateacha.

Not much to say about it. It's all been said, and it seems that the school just wants a baby sitter...but didn't consider that it might be more beneficial to hire a Koren speaker.

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Re: Grade 1 and Grade 2 afterschool nightmare
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2013, 03:00:50 PM »
Hi, I also teach grd 1+2 (and 3-6)

My first grade text book looks like this:

1. Hi Minsu
2. Good bye
3. Thank you
4. one, two, three
5. Jump and stop
6. I like gimbab
7. May I have some water?
8. I love you

The only useful thing about my textbook is that is has songs and animated videos which allows me to talk less. my co still makes me plan a game or activity for these kids to do. And because they are young they lose interest so quickly so its very challenging!

I highly recommend having a routine in your class, like starting each class with head shoulders or the abc song. It lets the students know that you know what you doing and they can become familiar with a song.

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Re: Grade 1 and Grade 2 afterschool nightmare
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2013, 03:26:04 PM »
No problem.

Actually, mine is not a part of my regular teaching hours. It's additional. They were going to hire a teacher from an after school program, but offered me the work first.

I also teach a grade 3/4 and a 5/6 after school class that ARE a part of my regular work hours. I was not expected to get books for those classes, but I chose to anyway because it makes lesson planning a heck of a lot easier.

As for the Sadlier Phonics book... I will admit that I felt as if I was in a crunch and had to make a quick decision as to which book I should choose. I used to work at a hagwon and used the Sadlier Level K with my prekindergartens, so I was already familiar with it. Honestly, I didn't mind the Sadlier Phonics series. Although I didn't like the pace in which I was expected to finish the book at my old hagwon (waaayyyyyy too quickly - pretty much, "GO GO GO... no time to explain... WRIIIIIIIITE!"), I kind of liked the books. They're quite simple and thorough.

Hey. I was just wondering what book you bought for your grade 5/6 after school class? Starting mine next week and could use a few suggestions! Thanks.

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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2013, 07:58:15 PM »
I'll tell you, I feel bad for you. What they're doing to you is really unfair. You aren't supposed to have to teach them alone. That's not how the system is supposed to work. What you've got are lazy co-teachers who would rather sit in the teacher's room and play with their phones than help you, right?

What I would like to suggest is telling one of the handlers that you really, really need some help in the room during the AS classes so that the students understand what they should do and how they need to behave. You have tried to tell them but they don't understand. Given this, you cannot teach them anything and the classes are not helping the students. They need to help. Not teach, but help.

Well (and maybe your post wasn't directed at me), I kind of feel it is unfair, only because I am so new at teaching, but my co-teachers aren't being lazy. One is at another school on Mondays, and the other one is teaching the other regular classes. It's just how the school made the schedule, where I have to be alone. Co-T said she'd join my next after school class (3&4) to observe/help with discipline (just this once) but the class I really need her for is 1&2 (Mondays).

I've been told to limit coloring/crafts and do more speaking. I guess the previous NET did coloring almost the whole year, managed to stretch the alphabet out the entire year (wtf?). (This is for after school classes. I have no idea what she did for regular classes.) I did a cut & paste activity today with 3&4 and ... I think they liked it. They were engaged. It wasn't chaos. However, we ran out of time, which I kind of expected. Next time I would have some of the items pre-cut for them to speed up the process. So here's a situation where stretching the lesson over two weeks would be great, but I've chosen my topics already. I've been told that some changes to the list are okay, but I'm not exactly going to know which lessons to change until I have more experience, right?

Anyway, yeah ... limit the coloring and do speaking instead ... by myself ... with hyper little kids... and discipline them, too? Gahhh!

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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2013, 11:22:53 PM »
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I've been told to limit coloring/crafts and do more speaking.

Hah. More speaking with young kids? Ignore this. If they aren't going to be in there with you, how would they know, anyway? Just don't give them coloring sheets, but instead use things where they draw from nothing instead.

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So here's a situation where stretching the lesson over two weeks would be great, but I've chosen my topics already. I've been told that some changes to the list are okay, but I'm not exactly going to know which lessons to change until I have more experience, right?

Again, how would they know? The times I didn't have CTs with me in the AS classes, I did what I felt like doing. So, stretch it. Let the kids finish what they started. Forget the 'chosen topics' list. Just push it back a week. It's almost the only upside of no CT--you do what you need to do.

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Re: Grade 1 and Grade 2 afterschool nightmare
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2013, 12:05:46 AM »
Steps to teaching English in Korea:

1) Hire most unqualified candidate possible in order to keep salary at minimum (this is not an insult to anyone, I was dangerously under qualified when I first got here, and still may be).

2) Tell them they are only assistants and not real teachers

3) Pair them with someone who doesn't speak English, resents their presence, hates their job or, preferably, all three.

4) Provide no guidance, feedback or support by 'real' teachers

5) Throw them into multiple grade levels with multiple comprehension levels with no information on special needs students, target of lesson or resources available

6) Expect new foreigners to know which books to purchase, where to purchase them, and how to get them in the classroom within 3 hours of plane landing at Incheon.  Look baffled when this is not done.  Under no circumstances offer help.

7) Expect children to be fluent within 2 weeks, maximum

8 ) Blame foreigner for all problems, but don't even mention to them that there is a problem

9) Release report that the NSET program has been a failure because foreigners don't work as hard as Koreans.  Well, release it after your afternoon nap and 6 hour soju dinner.

10) Repeat, expecting different results.

Good luck!  It really isn't all that bad once you learn how to play the game.  And it is a game.

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Re: Grade 1 and Grade 2 afterschool nightmare
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2013, 12:22:42 AM »


I've been told to limit coloring/crafts and do more speaking. I guess the previous NET did coloring almost the whole year, managed to stretch the alphabet out the entire year (wtf?).

Well, actually, if you're only seeing them once a week for 40 minutes it's not strange at all that they would concentrate on the alphabet for a whole year.  That's actually very realistic and reasonable.  I wish my older kids understood the alphabet better, that's for sure.  English education is rushed through here, like everything else.  It's seen as math or science.  You 'learn' one thing (aka have a test on it) and move onto the next without ever looking back.  But with language, you have to keep using it, even on it's most basic level, and without that fundamental understanding of the basics you'll never progress. 

Think back to kindergarten.  I don't know about you, but we spent A LOT of time on the alphabet.  Yes, we moved on to simple words and such, but it was our native language and we were there all day.  Spending a whole year with the alphabet, when condensed, is like one whole school week (I just did the math 40minX48 weeks/60= 32 hours).  I think you said you only have this class once a week.  Even at twice a week, that's like two weeks of school.  Did you learn all of 'math' in two weeks of school? 

I've met many adult Koreans who get frustrated that they aren't fluent in English after 6 lessons.  I've also worked for some of the same Koreans who expect miracles in the classroom.  You're not going to have a speaking class with 1st graders.  You're just not.  Not only do they not know how to form sentences, they don't have enough vocabulary.  And they don't have enough vocabulary because they don't know phonics yet.  By all means, teach 5 words per letter you study.  But each letter can take 1-3 days to cover.  And you have to review every few weeks to make sure they remember each one.  You have to be realistic, and unfortunately you'll be the only one who is.  Explain even back home we take this long in kindergarten, and these kids are about the same age and this is a foreign language.  You'll probably get bewildered stares, but it's also true for their classes here.  But they just expect miracles in English.  Just put a white face in the classroom and take enough pictures for mom and dad and little Jinho will be fluent by week's end.

Again, good luck. 

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Re: Grade 1 and Grade 2 afterschool nightmare
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2013, 03:33:16 PM »
@fisholas11 that website looks pretty good! Gonna try it out today

Meant to post this earlier, but Procrastination wanted me to come out and play :P

Two songs i find very successful:

Toonbo Alphabet Song


Phonics Song



Finally, here is a lesson plan and a ppt along with a pass the ball game. Little kids go nuts for the game. A good portion is work I can't take credit for and have found on this life saving website.

I hope it helps give you an idea of what to do!


Btw, clapping different rhythms gets their attention pretty well. Good luck, it'll only get better! 

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Re: Grade 1 and Grade 2 afterschool nightmare
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2013, 04:25:31 PM »
No problem.

Actually, mine is not a part of my regular teaching hours. It's additional. They were going to hire a teacher from an after school program, but offered me the work first.

I also teach a grade 3/4 and a 5/6 after school class that ARE a part of my regular work hours. I was not expected to get books for those classes, but I chose to anyway because it makes lesson planning a heck of a lot easier.

As for the Sadlier Phonics book... I will admit that I felt as if I was in a crunch and had to make a quick decision as to which book I should choose. I used to work at a hagwon and used the Sadlier Level K with my prekindergartens, so I was already familiar with it. Honestly, I didn't mind the Sadlier Phonics series. Although I didn't like the pace in which I was expected to finish the book at my old hagwon (waaayyyyyy too quickly - pretty much, "GO GO GO... no time to explain... WRIIIIIIIITE!"), I kind of liked the books. They're quite simple and thorough.

Hey. I was just wondering what book you bought for your grade 5/6 after school class? Starting mine next week and could use a few suggestions! Thanks.

Hey! Well, I am using a series called Super Kids (I found a recommendation for the series on here, actually). I have been doing introductory lessons covering the basics including rules, structure, expectations, names, etc. for the past week and a half, so I have yet to use the book with the kids and can't really say, with confidence, that it's a good series. I will let you know how it goes. Just from flipping through it, I'm a bit skeptical - it seems to be structured similar to the elementary books that we use as part of the curriculum... which I despise. I think your best bet would be to go to Kyobo or something and flip through the books there until you find something that matches your style and the level of your kids (if I were to do this over again, that's definitely what I would do!)   
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