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Disrespectful Grade 6 class. Advice please.
« on: May 15, 2014, 03:36:37 PM »
Hi all,
I see these students once a week.  It's a very small school and there are only 4 students in the class.  They are very smart, and seem to be somewhat advanced, but I have been asked to teach from the textbook. 

This is all good except the Korean teacher also teaches grade 1 so when I come in, she takes the grade 1s to another class leaving me alone.

So as you can imagine, the students go from angels to full blown disrespectful jerks.  They talk amongst themselves while I teach, despite being very firm with them and telling them to listen.  They mock me.  They put the least amount of effort into the activities. 

The stuff in the text book is obviously too easy for 3 of the 4 students.  But I don't have much choice in what I teach them so i just try to inject interesting activities everywhere possible.  But even if they think some things are interesting they would never show it.  They poo poo absolutely everything and I have to be a dictator just to get them to play a game.  (that's never fun for anyone).

I'm not sure what I should do.  I could definitely make it more challenging if it weren't for the one student that is slowing everything down (I'm not sure if he is actually behind or if he's just the least motivated). 

It seems to me the biggest problem is that they don't see me as an authority figure.  Of course this is to be expected in our line of work but that is why we tend to have Korean teachers in the room to fil that role.

Any advice is appreciated.  Thank you!

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Re: Disrespectful Grade 6 class. Advice please.
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2014, 04:40:55 PM »
Bribe them. I know it may not be what you want to do morally, but find out what they like, and then let them do it if they do the "boring" part of the lesson well.

When I worked in a hagwon, I had to do that with one of my middle school classes. They went from being my worst class to being great. For some reason they used to really like playing junior scrabble. So I would give them an outline of the activities we had to do at the start of the class, and then I would let them play scrabble for the last 7 or so minutes. It wasn't even really worth playing scrabble for that long, but they liked it.

If one student started acting up, I would just tell them that they couldn't play scrabble at the end and the rest of the class would tell the culprit to be quite straight away. I guess the difficult part is finding out what it is they would like to actually do. I think scrabble was seen as special, because it was my own game I had brought into the academy, and I don't think the Korean teachers would have known about it, so I guess that sort of made them think of it as being something illicit that they could do only in my class.

I hope this helps.

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Re: Disrespectful Grade 6 class. Advice please.
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2014, 05:53:10 PM »
That is helpful.  Thank you, Jay.  I was thinking about some type of way to bribe them.  But you are right it is hard to figure out what they like when I only see them once a week (or less if I'm lucky).  I do have a couple of my own games that have proved popular when I was doing private tutoring.  Now I've just gotta figure out when I can fit it into the class.

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Re: Disrespectful Grade 6 class. Advice please.
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2014, 06:09:49 PM »
I second the bribery. You can go complicated and do a points system, or do what Jay suggests and go with games. A few games that have been really popular here are UNO, Sorry! REVENGE (card game, comes with vague instructions that you'll have to flesh out but my students are obsessed with it), and an UNO dice game. The other teachers have since found UNO for their classes, but no one's found Sorry or the dice version of UNO, so those remain English-class-only and special.

Scrabble Slam is another card game that might go over well if your students are pretty advanced. I've used the cards for other games since my students' vocabulary just isn't broad enough to play it the way the box suggests. Slam and Bananagrams are good for just racing to spell as many words as they can, a point per letter.
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Re: Disrespectful Grade 6 class. Advice please.
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2014, 06:28:22 PM »
I do also have to agree a bit with Mr Stink Finger.  These students really need to be taught about proper respect.  But it really ought to be their Korean teacher that does this.  Also I think calling their parents will be a last resort since it will likely just make them more resentful.  Being honest with myself, I was a lot worse when I was their age and if any of my teachers (especially the foreign teacher who only came once a week) did something like that to me, any respect that I previously had for that teacher would have been lost forever and I would have tried even harder to make their lives miserable.

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Re: Disrespectful Grade 6 class. Advice please.
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2014, 11:19:10 PM »
Throw them out and tell the co-teacher in detail what they did. You will usually be able to do so if you don't do it too much. Don't tolerate that behavior. At the same time make something fun, then take it away at the last minute to drive home the point. It will make them behave better when they get tired of missing out. You may have to explain the causality though. Some children need to be thoroughly explained to in order to help them. The problem is, they are going through puberty and don't realize how annoying they are being. 6th graders are like this and cause a lot of issues. It is the nature of the beast and you have to overcome the behavior issue.

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Re: Disrespectful Grade 6 class. Advice please.
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2014, 11:50:33 AM »
Well, if the textbook is really easy for them, why don't you zip through the chapter for the day and try something a lot more challenging. Too challenging, at times, can be a good thing. It makes them see that there's a hell of a lot they don't know, and they'll be impressed with your command of the English language. This usually helps in them giving you more respect and seeing you as a teacher.

If your CT isn't there, you can get away with a lot. If he/she brings it up that you should ONLY teach from the book. Tell the CT the truth, it's too easy the kids are bored etc. they should be willing to compromise.

Sweets should only be given to reward an effort. I think giving sweets to bribe them might work, but it'll make you look weak and almost submissive. As Shinigami said, kick them out of they're disruptive. If a student decides to call your bluff and refuse, take their name down and threaten to show it to the CT. You could also put your phone in front of the class and set it to film the lesson. First use the stick, then the carrot.

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Re: Disrespectful Grade 6 class. Advice please.
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2014, 03:13:33 PM »
Be careful with bribes, they can make the situation worse. If you bribe too much, they won't do anything at all without one. That's why I think a point system works much better. I'm not sure how your school is set up, but if I kick my students out, they will run and play outside.

I have a chart on the wall like this:
Fantastic -2 stickers
Great - 1 sticker
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Warning
Hands on head
Time out -in the corner, facing the wall. No distractions allowed.

The students each have a magnet or close-pin with their name on it that I move up and down.

You need to establish the authority that you've lost. So, I'd suggest doing a little blow up at them, scare them. Don't smile. Be firm. Don't play any games for a couple classes. After they've finally settled down, you can lighten up a bit. Don't give too many warnings.

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Re: Disrespectful Grade 6 class. Advice please.
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2014, 04:03:34 PM »
I have a similiar problem with a 5th and 6th grade afterschool class. I don't have to teach from a textbook. They are absolutely addicted to their cellphones, their levels range in the intermediate level but the students help eachother communicate to me. I've sat them down and asked them what their interests are in order to make activities that suit their interests (there is only 6 students total, 3 boys 3 girls). The boys only interests is phone games. They don't like watching movies, tv, or sports. The girls only interest is their cellphones as well, but more kpop. However the boys absolutely detest it, and will resign any participation if I include kpop into an activity. The students have become more disrespectful as this semester has progressed despite me disciiplining them with my mentor korean english teacher. I've done a variety of themed lessons including using superheroes, pirates, Dinosaurs, Travel etc but nothing seems to peek their interest.  I bribe them randomly so they don't expect it every single time but even that doesn't peek their interest either. Candy, snacks, videos, special activities, etc. I've asked other teachers about this, and honestly they haven't been able to find a way around it either. I read this post and figured I'd post it here to see if anyone had any advice. I want them to be able to have a good time, But they literally have no interests outside of their phones. When class is over they leave and sit outside the classroom until the teachers leave playing their phone games because they know if they go home they will be forced to study.  I want to make the class fun and enjoyable for them, its not that they aren't good at english necessarily either, they just have no interest in it.

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Re: Disrespectful Grade 6 class. Advice please.
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2014, 04:51:48 PM »
Walk in the room like  an alpha male (even if you're female), head high, standing straight, shoulders back.

What i've done:

A) Write their names on the board, get their parents phone number and write it under the names.

Keep a tally and tick under the names for good behavior, right answers, etc. 

Tell them if any student recieves less than (whatever appropriate) ticks you'll let their parents know.

Set up your camera in plain sight to record the class, you can use this as evidence or scare tactic.

Usually it takes at least one call for the students to know you're serious.

I don't believe foriegn teachers are responsible for disciplining students. 

To cover your own ass:
B) Create a good lesson, have a good attitude, make English 'fun', ask your boss for advice.  If they talk etc. just continue, get through the material.  But be sure you ask your boss for advice on the situation, so if the kids quit or do poorly on a test then its clear you told someone about the problem and asked for suggestions.  If it's a hagwon then usually learning is secondary to keeping students in the program.  That being said, what are your goals w/the school, yourself? 

If you want to be 'a great teacher' and 'have the kids learn as much as possible', you'll need to do A.

If you just want to do your best but not stress yourself out, do B.  However your school communicates with parents the progress of their kids (objective w/ some kind of test, or subjective with conversations with parents), you'll need to address that.  Those 4 kids are customers, and thre's a very small chance any customer would get kicked out, it's more likely you just have to deal with it, whetherthey learn or not isn't important, their staying in the program, and doing wel on the progress test is.

Good luck.

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Re: Disrespectful Grade 6 class. Advice please.
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2014, 04:55:01 PM »
I agree with EvilToast in that bribes could have the negative effect of making you seem like you're being weak; it's almost like since they've been bad you're rewarding them for your bad behavior.  I had a co-teacher that, when the students were acting up, would try to just skip to the game which didn't solve anything.  I have a reward system for when they volunteer or win at games, but generally I don't think it's too high of an expectation to expect your kids to be quiet when you're talking and paying attention.  I try as hard as I can to make the lesson interesting and fun and, although it sounds a bit cheesy, I think that in itself should be a reward.   

You might already do this but I first of all use attention getters (such as clapping my hands twice and they say 'Attention!') so they know that I'm about to speak.  Then if that doesn't work, I ask them politely to be quiet and pay attention to me (which usually works with fifth grade as even if they don't understand English they can understand your tone...this may or may not work with 6th grade).  Next I'll tell them that I'll do the attention getter twice and if they're not paying attention they have to write a sentence three times.  I also have to make sure I reinforce this, even just doing it once is incredibly effective as they know that you are serious about this.

Depending on if it's the class or one student, although since you only have a group of four this might not be a problem, I will have them write sentences, such as copying the lyrics of a song.  I'll also make sure they have to show me before they can leave. 

As it's a group of boys it might also be that they're not necessarily trying to make life hard for you, they're just showing off for their friends.  In that case maybe just put them on opposite sides of the room, or at different tables.  Otherwise if they are all grouped together it almost becomes an 'us v. the teacher' sort of situation. 

Honestly, I've found writing lines is the best as they generally will all do it without question and yet they're still learning while they're doing it.  I've had co-teachers who will just yell at them which doesn't help as they can just zone out.  I also disagree that you should just let your Korean co-teacher handle it.  You are their teacher and should respect you as such. 

Either way, good luck!!

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Re: Disrespectful Grade 6 class. Advice please.
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2014, 01:00:19 AM »
I think many giving advice, albeit good advice, don't appreciate that it's a lot more difficult at some schools. It's all very well suggesting telling kids to stand at the back of the class, change seats, write lines or go back to their classroom, but maybe they haven't had to deal with kids who will refuse all of these things, or at the very best change seat and then 20 seconds later get up and go back to where they were before. Sometimes engaging the homeroom teacher is effective, sometimes it isn't. I've had situations where I've repeatedly reported kids to their teacher and seen no change in their behaviour.

I have a particular grade 6 class that are so unruly I may refuse to teach them at all. I'll stick at it until the summer but in September or October if they haven't improved (I suspect they'll only get worse) I'll possibly tell my VP I'm not going to deal with them any more, and if they want to fire me so be it.

I don't know how the school will react but if I'm happy to leave anyway it's either that or I get an easier second semester.

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Re: Disrespectful Grade 6 class. Advice please.
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2014, 01:52:21 AM »
I have a particular grade 6 class that are so unruly I may refuse to teach them at all. I'll stick at it until the summer but in September or October if they haven't improved (I suspect they'll only get worse) I'll possibly tell my VP I'm not going to deal with them any more, and if they want to fire me so be it.

I don't know how the school will react but if I'm happy to leave anyway it's either that or I get an easier second semester.

i know that feel man, i know it all too well. i have one 1st grade high school class at the moment who's behaviour is absolutely atrocious. this is honestly the worst class of students i've ever taught, and in my 16-odd months here in Korea i've taught around 40 different classes at 7 different schools. i teach 20 different classes at my current school, and the behaviour of this class is 10 times worse than the behaviour of the next worst behaved class, that's how bad it is.

i've tried every behavioural management technique in the book with this class and nothing has worked. so earlier this week when i was teaching them i got so fed up that i just walked out of class half way through. so yesterday i spoke to my main co-teacher about them, and apparently they have been giving every teacher that teaches them the same problems, no matter what the subject is, and no matter how experienced or good the teacher is.

so today i arranged to go and speak to this class about their behaviour with the homeroom teacher. before today i had no idea who their homeroom teacher was. once i met her, i now have an extremely strong suspicion that the homeroom teacher is actually the reason this class is behaving so badly.

she's a 25 year old female teacher straight out of university in her first year ever of teaching, here at an all-boys high school. she has absolutely no control over this class whatsoever, and i honestly think they're eating her alive. it took her a full 10 minutes to get them to sit down and shut up before i could speak to them.

the homeroom teachers here in Korea seem to have a huge influence on the students' behaviour. last year i had one 6th grade class of monsters at the beginning of the year. luckily their homeroom teacher was awesome at discipline. it took a while, but after a few months of the homeroom teacher consistently working on their behaviour it improved ten fold.

 if you have a homeroom teacher who's willing to work with you to discipline the kids, it seems to make a huge difference. if you have a homeroom teacher who couldn't care less about the way their kids behave in their and/or other teachers classes, or who is just incapable of controlling their kids, or who actually laughs off and undermines any of your attempts at discipline (this has actually happened to some friends of mine), you can find yourself fighting a losing battle very quickly.

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Re: Disrespectful Grade 6 class. Advice please.
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2014, 10:51:55 AM »
Do all that stuff that neilg said.  Bread and circuses for some; crucifixion for others.  Be explicit in what earns points and what takes them away. 

Example:  In my classes, correct answers earn one point.  A correct answer spoken in a complete sentence earns two.  Completing a dialogue with a partner earns three.  Speaking out of turn loses 5. 

Whomever has the most points at the end wins candy.  If anyone ends with negative points, they clean the classroom. 

(Ensure you contact [or have your Ko-teacher contact] the homeroom teachers so they understand that you will occasionally request that some of their students visit the English classroom during their lunch time.)

If (as Johnny Russian mentioned) you have a homeroom teacher who is ineffective or malignant, the class is lost.  Let them do as they wish, but ensure you begin every class with safety videos so they are better prepared for their inevitable careers at Lotteria:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noFCekWiUGE&feature=kp

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Re: Disrespectful Grade 6 class. Advice please.
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2014, 12:51:45 PM »
Are you allowed to take their phones away? In my schools, they have to put their phones in a bag or a box during class and, if they snuck it away and another teacher sees it, they can take it from them. This may be different, especially if you work for a hagwon, but it's worth a shot.

Also, if they don't pay attention or if they won't participate, I make the whole class stand up and do jumping jacks while listening to opera and they have to keep doing them until I tell them to stop. Even if it's just one kid misbehaving, they all have to do them.

If they are so interested in cell phone games, you could try to theme your lessons around them. I use backgrounds and gifs using Kakao characters that my students really enjoy. My 6th grade boys really love Minecraft, so they get really excited if I do a Minecraft bomb game that someone created. It isn't always possible, but it's worth a shot.

Good luck.

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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2014, 11:13:27 AM »
I have 2 classes very similar to this, only I guess they aren't as bad.   I teach alone too.   My Korean Co-Teachers both feel that they're "uncomfortable" to teach English (even though one guys pretty decent at English.   I think he'd rather just smoke and listen to music outside.   I don't really mind too much though). 

Ones a grade 5 (that I get to see in 50 minutes yay).   2 girls, 1 boy.   The boys English level is higher than the others.  The boy sounds like a teenager who reads reddit.   Every minute he needs to say something that sounds like an internet meme.   "Oh my god kimchi" "what the fox say" "d d o n g".   The other two girls (one high level one low) are very soft spoken but he's incredibly distracting.  Overall, this class is manageable.  Just gotta be firm and not constantly yell at him but instead make it clear that we're not moving forward until he's focused.   

My grade 6 is a different story.   2 girls, 1 boy again.   This time, both girls are incredibly high level, and the boy is like Ralph from the Simpsons.   I seriously think he needs special attention.   Everyone seems to know it too.   He'll spend the whole class drawing trains or running around.   He has to headbutt people.   He'll constantly interrupt people and say some strange things such as "teacher. space train."  Anyway, I really need help getting this guy to focus.   He definitely has some attention problem but of course I'm alone with him and he speaks little English.    I honestly don't know what to do with him. 

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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2014, 11:21:30 AM »
Sometimes, you just gotta bite the bullet :( Some kids just don't want to learn English or anything else for that matter...

Anyways, I've found that quick, fun activities coupled with a teaching style that is funny to kids helps a lot. Instead of long lessons, break up the important stuff into smaller sections and use things that aren't hard for them to focus on. I'll attach a few that I use.

I hope that these help you. I don't spend more that 5-7 minutes doing these activities... however you can definitely take about 20-25 minutes on some of these

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« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2014, 12:00:46 AM »
I have a 3rd grade class which has a low overall level. Many kids view it as a  excuse to talk to friends. At first rewarding them was working. However it soon came that the reward was part of the class routine.

They also got to the point where talking to their friends was more important than candy, playing games, watching videos in class. Ive made students stay after and clean the classroom to punish them. If they write on the desks they stay after and clean all the desks. When they don't do homework they have to finish it after class. Normally I just keep them there 10-15 minutes mist kids learned really quickly, and while behavior is still lacking it has drastically improved. I am not competing with 13 kids anymore.


 

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