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Offline BayouDrank

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Talking about race in the classroom?
« on: June 23, 2014, 04:36:30 PM »
I saw this video and started wondering if I could somehow incorporate it into my summer camp about foreign cultures and travel:



Anybody ever try anything like this in Korea? In an elementary school? I wonder which ways I could divide the class up...

I'm not sure I'll do this at all, just kicking the idea around. I can imagine something like this backfiring big time with students/teachers/parents. Thoughts?

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Re: Talking about race in the classroom?
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2014, 05:04:49 PM »
I would not recommend doing this because the time benefit and the chance of something going extemely wrong is high.   It was emotionally manipulative enough and adding in the extra dimension of misunderstanding due to language barriers would probably means such an exercise could have extreme unintended consequences.

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Re: Talking about race in the classroom?
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2014, 05:12:00 PM »
I agree. You would need to do a lot of prep work with your Co-Teacher, most of it would be on agreeing what kind of answers you're giving to your student's questions, which comes in part from anticipating their questions. This all relies heavily on your perception of Korean culture.


It's a worthwhile endeavor, though.

Maybe you could give the kids headbands or something at random and then slowly provide a certain color of headbands a privilege and then set them a task to do.

Maybe make a spaghetti tower or something and give blue headbands an unlimited amount of tape and spaghetti, and then give green headbands a harsh limit.

Or redesign some Minute-to-Win-It games where privileges alternate between green and blue headbands.

Your co-Teacher would have to do the bulk of the talking as far as, "how did you feel?" "What does this mean" thing goes, but at least the vehicle for discussion comes from you.

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Re: Talking about race in the classroom?
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2014, 05:47:30 PM »
We did this experiment in my school in South Africa when I was in grade 7. It was used as a way to introduce a discussion about Apartheid and it was very useful to that end. But I will tell you that if you don't alternate between who gets advantages and who doesn't then it is precisely zero fun for the kids with the disadvantage. Just something to think about.

Offline William George

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Re: Talking about race in the classroom?
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2014, 08:30:10 PM »
Well, if you're into unethical social experimentation on children, go ahead.

Or, you can lead by example and show them that their believed teacher isn't cool with bigotry and hope they grow up sane.

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Re: Talking about race in the classroom?
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2014, 10:24:14 PM »
Unless you have an extremely close working relationship with your co-teacher and his/her English is good enough that there are zero miscommunications between the two of you, you yourself are fluent in Korean, and/or your students are proficient enough in English and intelligent enough that they can have meaningful discussions about this afterwards,  I don't see any way in which this doesn't go horribly wrong. I understand you wanting to do something worthwhile and teach the kids something meaningful, but I'd say just put this in the bad idea file and leave it alone.

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Re: Talking about race in the classroom?
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2014, 11:57:48 PM »
Do not try this in Korea. If you want to do something like this, make sure that the students are not active participants, but rather observers of situations you made. For example, telling them a story about it or having a game with rules where each person is one character in the game, but certain characters are restricted from doing things other characters are, and then talk about fairness, and expand it to the greater world.

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Re: Talking about race in the classroom?
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2014, 02:15:31 AM »
Yeeeeaaah this seems like a bad idea. It seems way too complicated for elementary ESL UNLESS you *really* simplify it. Maybe you could give everyone in the class either a white wristband or a black wristband, then have them each draw a picture or write some sentences or whatever. Tell the kids wearing the white wrist-band that you want them to bring you their pictures, and then hang them on the wall and say what nice pictures they are. Don't say anything about the pictures from the kids with the black wristbands. If they ask you, don't be mean, just say something like "No, I'm not going to put your picture on the wall because you have a black bracelet".

If the kids don't immediately throw a fit, take a bathroom break or do a different activity for a little while to let them think about how weird it is. After the break, ask the kids if they know why you chose only pictures from kids with white bracelets, and ask the kids with the black bracelets how it made them feel. Then talk about how racism is random like that, how back in the day it was drinking fountains and what not, and some places are still like that. If your kids know/like Michael Jackson, you could talk about how MTV wouldn't show his videos because he was black (just like you wouldn't put the pictures on the wall, get it? get it??), but then he made the most popular video of all time so everyone realized how stupid that was and now MTV plays music from all races and of course there are many black artists who are very popular. You could show them Thriller or parts of it for fun if you think they would be interested (a lot of my High school girls like MJ). Then put the pictures from the kids with black wristbands on the wall too and say something like "That's better, right?"

AnyWHO, maybe something REALLY simple and GENTLE would work? I don't know, it might still be risky.


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Re: Talking about race in the classroom?
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2014, 12:11:47 PM »
I agree with putting this in the bad idea file.  Korea has not had to deal with differences because everyone is "Korean."  I think it is difficult for them to understand differences beyond Koreans and foreigners unless they have traveled and live outside of Korea.  To my understanding, even in their laws, they don't have discrimination laws even for those of different religions.  I think another approach to teaching them about acceptance and tolerance of others is needed.

One way is to show them that you, their teacher, is not racist and tolerates everyone.  Lead by example.  Show them pictures of your multicultural group of friends.   You can also incorporate people of every ethnic group in your PowerPoint presentations.  If the students make comments about a certain ethnic group stop the class and let them know how you feel and what you would like them to stop doing.  I think that will have a lasting affect because they will see it in action everyday by your example.  As Gandhi said, "You must be the change you wish to see in the world."

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Re: Talking about race in the classroom?
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2014, 02:52:37 PM »
I don't know. I disagree that  a lesson like this is an inherently awful idea. Perhaps Korea "isn't ready" for this kind of thing, but I don't feel like it isn't worth a try. I think we all know that Korea isn't exactly the most progressive in terms of... anything.  :rolleyes:

My thoughts are:

- Make sure your co t is totally on board and understands and agrees with the message that you're trying to share and is willing to moderate discussion with the class
- Perhaps segue into the lesson by drawing out discriminatory reactions from the kids (how often do we hear/see them laughing at black people or calling Japanese monkeys?), and then going from there?
- If nothing else, have your co t translate the movie and play it with subtitles and then discuss.

Good luck, I think it's worthwhile.

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Re: Talking about race in the classroom?
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2014, 12:37:05 PM »
I would definately do this on students in Korea, that way I can teach these Korean kids what racism will do to you, and what it does to others, especially the few bi-racial kids in this country to have been totally disenfranchised and savagely bullied by homogenous Korean kids.

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Re: Talking about race in the classroom?
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2014, 09:18:57 AM »
My opinion is that unless you have a strong background in anti-oppression training and a major issue with racism at your school I would strongly suggest not doing this.  The "experiment" "teaching activity" whatever you want to call it was done in a different context than exists in Korea.  These kids are very very aware of race and racism (because the experiment wasn't really about race it was about oppression and bigotry) where as in Korea for elementary kids race is more abstract (as someone said it's more about Korean/Foreigner).

I would suggest doing a topic on the awesomeness of difference.  Talk about the fact that there are different people in the world with different skin colour and that it's a good thing.  You can talk a bit about why you shouldn't be mean to people with different skin colour, etc but I would not make that the focus.

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Re: Talking about race in the classroom?
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2014, 11:09:50 AM »
Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. Most of you reiterated my main qualms with the idea--that, while not inherently bad, the context is so different from that of the kids in the example video that it would most likely prove exceedingly difficult to find a common reference point between my students, coteachers, and the points I'm trying to get across to them.

Though some students will make negative reactions when Japanese or black people are brought up or shown in class, for instance, it's true that it's really not an everyday issue for them. The more I think about it, it's probably not something they'll come to appreciate or analyze til around high school or college age...pessimism=realism here.

I'd like this good intention to go unpunished, so I won't be doing this in my lesson.  :lipsrsealed: Let me know if any of you ever end up trying, though. Cheers.

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Re: Talking about race in the classroom?
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2014, 03:24:37 PM »
The only group I would ever attempt this with are advanced adult students or advanced high school students. I can't imagine elementary school students getting much, if anything, out of this video. The kids in the vid are a little hard to understand.   

 

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