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  • jfdemarini
  • Newgookin

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    • September 02, 2013, 08:17:18 pm
    • Ulsan, South Korea
Rewards System Overturned, At A Loss
« on: July 22, 2014, 11:57:17 am »
I've been doing a points system with my classes this year, with the promise of a film after a certain point level was reached. We reached the proper point level last month, but I had to finish enough chapters before the final before showing a film; I obliged.

We started showing the movies last week, and I've got tons of lesson materials and language to teach after the films finish. However, I was informed today that I'm no longer allowed to show movies because it isn't English oriented.

I'm not really sure what to do. This takes down my entire rewards system and means I've been making false promises to my classes all year long. I've been hired to teach and control these classes, and I feel completely disrespected as a teacher--on top of that, it's completely compromised the respect of my students.

Does anyone have any recommendations? I checked with my co-teachers about this system at the beginning of the year, and they said it was fine, only to back pedal now that parents have complained. I think I'm going to scrap the entire rewards system, but I don't know what to replace it with.

I just feel awful for the students...they've worked really hard and now I've got nothing to give them for it.


  • Chicagohotdog
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • March 04, 2012, 12:25:31 pm
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Re: Rewards System Overturned, At A Loss
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2014, 12:10:10 pm »
Tell your co-teacher that they have to be the one to explain to the students that they have changed their mind and won't allow the movies.  Make them explain exactly, that it wasn't you and you aren't changing your mind.  Otherwise you are going to loose the trust of your kids and they aren't going to believe a single word coming out of your mouth.  And it may be horrible of me, but I hope your kids cry and whine and milk it loudly and the Korean teacher has to take all of it.

Also - try showing them the materials that you have created to use after the films have been completed.  Maybe they will change their minds and let you continue on as planned.

Really though, you need to have a sit down with your co teacher and explain how detrimental it is to your process to have to go back on this harmless promise that you had only made AFTER having it okayed by them.  Make a point of saying how unprofessional it is (this tends to get my school to give in when I say it - and I only say it when they really are).

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  • nabi
  • Adventurer

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    • October 11, 2010, 10:40:19 am
    • boseong
Re: Rewards System Overturned, At A Loss
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2014, 12:13:39 pm »
Knowlege!  A gift from teachers everywhere.  You're welcome!

You did promise your students a movie reward but things like candy and movies should not be the reason they are learning or bothering to behave.  I know that kids are kids and motivation is usually external based on physical rewards but we're here to teach them whether they are intrinsically motivated or not.

When I want to reward my classes I take the regular lesson but make it game and activity based (no pencils, no books).  Usually works better for review type things.  Get them doing something unusual.  Some sort of speed game, flashy computer game or a creative art activity.  Give them a break from listen and repeat and give them a chance to play with the langauge and make self guided discoveries.


  • gaelen
  • Waygookin

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    • May 30, 2014, 10:36:47 am
    • Incheon
Re: Rewards System Overturned, At A Loss
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2014, 08:54:48 am »
I don't know why anybody bothers with reward systems anyway. They aren't worth the effort and time they cost to create and keep track of. If you make your lessons interesting enough, and present them with enough enthusiasm then the kids won't need any external reward to keep them paying attention. The lesson itself will be the reward.


Re: Rewards System Overturned, At A Loss
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2014, 09:16:05 am »
I don't know why anybody bothers with reward systems anyway. They aren't worth the effort and time they cost to create and keep track of. If you make your lessons interesting enough, and present them with enough enthusiasm then the kids won't need any external reward to keep them paying attention. The lesson itself will be the reward.

The reward system is basically a performance tracking system.  Having a yearly structure for the students for them to see their own progress is most definitely worth the effort.


  • Andyroo
  • Expert Waygook

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    • February 09, 2011, 12:49:41 pm
    • Korea
Re: Rewards System Overturned, At A Loss
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2014, 09:30:53 am »
The parents complained.
It's not really your co teachers fault though I guess they didn't argue your case very well but then they might not have had the chance. The complaint might have been made to the VP or such, then they chew out your co teachers and then the co teachers had to break it to you.

Throwing it back at them is not the best way to handle this.

Let the kids know it was because parents complained. Sorry Kids.... then move on.

Plan some games involving English (like Mafia/Werewolf). If the school is more strict about the kids learning then you should make a word search and other puzzles involving vocabulary they need to learn.
A full on puzzle day would go down well.

I know you are disappointed. You are trying to implement best practise in the classroom but got thwarted by the system.
You have to move on though.


  • mich6791
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    • July 12, 2010, 09:53:34 am
    • Miryang, South Korea
Re: Rewards System Overturned, At A Loss
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2014, 10:08:11 am »
I have been using my reward system for the past 3 years and it works for me.
Students receive a check next to their name for good behaviour, and get checks subtracted for poor behaviour.

After 5 checks they get 2 blue points which goes on their record as part of my school's disciplinary system (if your school has such a system, use it). After 10 checks, they get a cookie and 2 blue points. And so it contunues: 15 checks = 2 blue points, 20 checks = 2 blue points and a cookie etc. I use 마가랱/Margret (?spelling) snacks (best value for money). For bad behaviour, they get red points (the number determined by the school's system) and I remove one check.

I have a seating plan for each class, so it's easy to just place a check next to their name their during class. After class, I place the check on the total score sheet. Seating plans change every 4 weeks (so don't worry about the page being covered in millions of checks. I also use a different color sign pens for different days, so I know exactly when I gave students checks (in case they want to argue with me later).

I'll attach the PPT I use to explain the system at the beginning of the year, as well as the seating plan and check sheet.


  • Ryan
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    • November 24, 2009, 01:24:23 pm
    • Yeosu
Re: Rewards System Overturned, At A Loss
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2014, 12:22:24 pm »
Replace the movie reward with another reward that the students would equally enjoy.

Make sure your remaining classes are fun and they don't 'feel' like they are studying, so they'll forget about being able to sit and watch a movie.


Re: Rewards System Overturned, At A Loss
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2014, 01:34:43 pm »
i would explain that it isn't your choice to not show a movie, then tell them you planned a game class instead..it'll take a bit of work to make some card games or board games for them to play in groups, as long as they use English playing banangrams or something.it's educational and they will have fun.


Re: Rewards System Overturned, At A Loss
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2014, 07:32:28 am »
Not sure if this would work, but what about chopping the movie up into clips and using bits at a time for your lessons instead of a whole class devoted to a movie? It's essentially the same thing in the long run, but this way you get to throw in segments of both movies and English practice. If the kids start asking questions, tell em the parents complained about a full movie class.


  • smmoon3031
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    • September 14, 2012, 07:31:57 am
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Re: Rewards System Overturned, At A Loss
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2014, 10:03:50 am »
Forget the rewards system... This past year, I didn't run one and did not see any difference in the class. In fact, the children were less focused on rewards and more on the lessons...

If you want to track the progression rate for the students, besides grading, keep it simple and give out minor awards to students who reached a certain percentage of progression... or better, if the entire class reaches a certain percentage, they all get a reward.

It's not worth the effort, time, and money...


  • fishead
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • April 23, 2010, 07:58:05 am
    • Yangju Korea
Re: Rewards System Overturned, At A Loss
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2014, 10:26:27 am »
 I personally am happy lots of people are being discoveraged from shoving movies .  I think it is a complete cop out and defeats the purpose and the expence of hiring native speakers.

If you really have to show movies at the very least show them with English subtitles.


  • Allison-teacher
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    • September 30, 2013, 07:43:56 am
    • Hwanggan, Chungbuk, Korea
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Re: Rewards System Overturned, At A Loss
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2014, 11:36:03 am »
I don't believe it's a complete cop out if you're smart about it. Last winter, I showed them Rise of the Guardians and then I was able to fill a whole class with superstitions and the belief in things like the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny and why we told kids to believe in them. They loved it and even my co-teacher was paying attention to the lesson.


  • donuts81
  • Hero of Waygookistan

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    • October 20, 2010, 10:23:37 am
    • Korea
Re: Rewards System Overturned, At A Loss
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2014, 12:56:23 pm »

...... only to back pedal now that parents have complained......

Are you at a public school? I doubt parents complained and this is just being used as an excuse to make the decision seem legit.

Your main problem seems to be timing. A movie day this time of the school year isn't really appropriate. I'm guessing your co-teacher or VP doesn't want to just come out and say it. Maybe you could delay watching the movie until after the students have finished their final exams. There is always a week or two to kill with no curriculum and classes full of disinterested restless kids.

I'd double down on your reward system and say that the students will get some snacks or drinks to enjoy with the movie. (If you pass it by your co-teacher again)

I personally am happy lots of people are being discoveraged from shoving movies .  I think it is a complete cop out and defeats the purpose and the expence of hiring native speakers.


Meh... Have your worked public school in Korea? The last two weeks at the end of every semester turns into a mini film festival in the students regular classes. The OP is to be commended for limiting it to one day and using it as a reward instead of a time waster.
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