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Offline markymarc

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What to do with a fluent English speaker?
« on: September 23, 2014, 04:54:52 PM »
So this might sound like a dumb question but I am not really sure what to do, I have a sixth grade student who joined my one class this year who moved here from Texas after living there most of her life. She is obviously fluent in English and I feel so bad that she has to sit though the boring ass curriculum class when she knows it all already. The problem is that my classes have about 28 students in each of them so it is difficult to focus on her, I also don't really know anything about what American students get taught in the sixth grade as I am from South Africa. Does any one have some sort of suggestions?? The teacher keeps telling me to use her to explain things but she is quite a shy girl and I personally think that will just embarrass her.

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Re: What to do with a fluent English speaker?
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2014, 04:59:58 PM »
Do you have to include her in remedial class? Give her a novel. Have her do a book report. Written or spoken. Just something to keep those English skills sharp.
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Re: What to do with a fluent English speaker?
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2014, 05:45:29 PM »
Dido to what akli said.

Also, times may arise when she would be useful as a "helper" since her English is fluent already.  This isn't USUALLY a problem in curriculum classes, but it sounds like a fairly large class.  If there's an activity that could use a second native speaker to assist students, she might be useful for that as well.

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Re: What to do with a fluent English speaker?
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2014, 06:24:18 PM »
Just because she can speak English doesn't mean she's a grammar and spelling pro!  Keep an eye on her writing skills, push her to go above and beyond what the textbook calls for.

For example if the question is: What did you do last summer? Have her write more complex sentences. So instead of "I went to Jeju-do," have her write "Last summer I went to Jeju island with my family, we explored the lava tubes and ate a special pork dinner."
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Re: What to do with a fluent English speaker?
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2014, 06:58:32 PM »
Yeah I also thought of giving her a book to read. We only teach curriculum classes at my school as I am the only foreign teacher at my school and it is huge, so no after school classes.

She just looks so bored haha but it's also difficult as it looks like she doesn't want to be here at all, not just in the English class. I mean being taken from America and suddenly placed in rural Korea can't be very easy.

I will work something out! Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions :D much appreciated

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Re: What to do with a fluent English speaker?
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2014, 07:31:43 PM »
Sorry if this is a bit rambly, but here's my suggestion that I've been really excited about because it's been really effective with one of my students.

Build a good relationship with her. I have that issue in several of my classes. But there's one in particular where I was really struggling to keep her interested in the class. My solution was to find a way to challenge her English abilities, so I bought her a notebook and wrote a letter to her. Assuming you see her class once a week, ask her to write a reply and bring the notebook back to you. Write a letter to her the next week and so on and so forth.

This student is also extremely shy in my classes, so this has really helped her get something out of my being at the school. And since we've started writing letters back and forth, she's been much more active in my class. I think taking a personal interest in her English progress and in her as a person has made her want to be in my class much more.

The extra work is minimal since you only end up writing a letter to her every other week. My only regret is not having started writing the letters sooner, as I'm leaving after we've only been doing this for two months. Oh well. Live and learn.

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Re: What to do with a fluent English speaker?
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2014, 11:07:18 AM »
What I did was print out worksheets from all different subjects for the year after my student left the States (she was born and raised in California). You can find them if you google, "6th grade worksheets."

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Re: What to do with a fluent English speaker?
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2014, 12:08:24 PM »
I talked to the parent of a similar student, and she said she was worried about her daughter's writing skills, as in proper academic writing.  Start with writing paragraphs (topic, supporting sentences), then move up to five-paragraph (Intro, supporting, conclusion) then persuasive (Intro, arguments for, objection and rebuttal, conclusion and call to action). 

I taught high school in California and those are considered necessary skills for getting through most of the classes there.

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Re: What to do with a fluent English speaker?
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2014, 01:46:32 PM »
You just found your T.A.. Use her.

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Re: What to do with a fluent English speaker?
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2014, 03:05:18 PM »
Talk with her, bond with her, give her something to do beyond textbook lesson.
Advanced worksheets, high level activities (grade 6 level ) or anything to stimulate her.

Ask her if there's something she wants to do and do it with her.
I've had a few students every now and then that I see on lunch times or after school to just talk or do something more advanced.
I don't get paid for it because I genuinely enjoy just talking with those who want it.

Enjoy the short time you can have with her. She'll be off to middle school next year.
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Re: What to do with a fluent English speaker?
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2014, 03:55:43 PM »
That's not a dumb question. I have had multiple students like that when I worked in a country school as well, and now in Seoul I have classes I teach by myself with only students from abroad. I tried doing  book reports with one of my students and can tell you from experience it isn't a good idea. It also seems like the easy way to go, but it actually isn't.

Any work that that  student does for you will not be graded and will need to be done outside of their usual school time, meaning it will feel like extra pointless work. Even though I let my student pick the book to read, she didn't read on schedule. Also, you will have to read the book as well. That isn't too big of a deal, but I wasn't hip to reading Warriors. Kids are pretty fickle as well, so they might lose interest in the book before they finish it.

I suggest you use short stories and articles to discuss, summarize, and write reactions and journal entries too. In my American sixth grade experience we started learning more about American and Western history, as well as current affairs. In literature we started classic short stories (like Poe) and poems (like Whitman). Having a variety of topics will keep her interest and introduce new concepts, as well as vocabulary. The biggest problem I have had with students from English speaking countries is that since their household isn't composed of native English speakers, their exposure to vocabulary is extremely limited. This is especially true if the student isn't much of an avid reader and now even more so since they are in Korea.

I dislike when teachers use students from abroad to make their jobs easier. It emphasizes the idea that they are different while discouraging the Korean students from thinking they can learn English. A young American student of mine at my countryside school was bullied by a Korean student who kept badgering him to speak English, though he was just trying to fit in. Just treat her as you would any other high level student. Force her to participate at times and pass over her sometimes if she raises her hand to answer a question when other students do as well. Have her help her classmates learn by having her interact with them, as opposed to making your job easier by bringing her up to the front of the class to demonstrate a dialogue.

Keep things short but challenging. Don't be as lenient to any mistakes she makes speaking as you would be with other students, and be extremely critical of her writing. Watch out for when she uses the wrong homophone (there vs. their vs. they're) or use the incorrect tense (like would vs. will). Give her tips to strenghten her writing as well. She has learned to speak, but having just hit middle school, she has developed her writing and thought organizing skills much.

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Re: What to do with a fluent English speaker?
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2014, 05:49:35 PM »
Yeah I think that is the main thing that I want to avoid: making her stand out. There is a lot of teasing in my school and they are always trying to make her speak and then laugh at her so I don't think making her my teaching assistant would be a good idea in my school. I will get some worksheets for her to do and continue to crack some random jokes that I know only she understands, she seems to enjoy that. She is in quite a good class though so at least we don't go too slowly.

I wish sometimes that Korean students were nicer to their peers. It is for this reason that I don't want to single her out as I know these students well enough now to know that they will pick on her, most likely due to jealous.

I will also try to speak to her more, it's just difficult when the class is so big and their homeroom teacher doesn't help at all. At my school I am the teacher and the Korean teacher is the assistant haha but in her particular class the teacher is generally just on his phone.

thanks for all the advice!!

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Re: What to do with a fluent English speaker?
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2014, 03:33:39 PM »
Why don't you talk to her about it? You'll probably find that she'll be able to explain what would keep her engaged in a much better way than a forum of anonymous people who have never met her. (Sorry if the tone of this seems cynical - it isn't meant to be).

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Re: What to do with a fluent English speaker?
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2014, 03:58:40 PM »
Why don't you talk to her about it? You'll probably find that she'll be able to explain what would keep her engaged in a much better way than a forum of anonymous people who have never met her. (Sorry if the tone of this seems cynical - it isn't meant to be).

Agreed. Find out what the kid wants.

I've had this situation 2 times last year. One was with a 3rd grader from the states and the 2nd time was a brother and sister in grade 6.

I had a special morning meeting with the 3rd grader and talked to her about being my helper with role play, showing kids how to do activities, and if she wanted to use the time to study her Korean or do a special activity. She opted to just help her friends quietly instead of making a big deal out of it.

The 6th grade brother and sister didn't want to do homework, but they also didn't want to practice the months of the year - so instead I would give them creative writing assignments, riddles, logic puzzles - and every now and then they'd ask to do the speaking activities with their friends.

Also the 3rd grader NEVER talked to me outside of class, but the 6th grade students were always eating with me and hanging out during break. The 3rd grader never volunteered to translate, but the 6th graders LOVED parroting from Korean to English and then English to Korean and we could have full conversations through that method alone.

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Re: What to do with a fluent English speaker?
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2014, 04:26:36 PM »
How about asking her to write about what she is learning in other subjects. That way she can self learn the appropriate vocabulary.  There are only a few months left until she will be in middle school. Try and get her into good habits of a self sustained learning process. She may not have a native teacher at her next school, so what you do now could be something great for her if she sticks with it.

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Re: What to do with a fluent English speaker?
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2014, 04:45:54 PM »
I realise this topic is a bit old now, so maybe you have already sorted out a routine.  In any case, I noticed a lot of people suggesting that you "use" the student as some kind of assistant.  This may seem like an obvious course, but it's rarely in the best interest of the student.  It may serve to make the teacher feel like they are doing something special to keep that kid active, but it may have very little positive gain for the kid. 

In some of the cases I've seen on kids growing up abroad and suddenly being thrust back into Korea, they already feel like a fish out of water and they may be struggling with Korean which can lead to them being an outcast.  Thrusting that kid into a position of authority (as his or her peers will see it) may function to further isolate that student.  They are often trying to keep a low profile and blend in, but parading them around a room where many other students already feel vulnerable about their skills may just put that poor kid in a worse position that before.

There are some kids who may really shine in that role and be useful, but please consider all of the circumstances before enlisting their help.  They may be too shy or obedient to object, but that doesn't mean they want to help you do your job.  Giving them special work (or just letting them study Korean) may be good, but throwing a spotlight on them when they are desperately trying to fit in is probably not wise in most cases. 

It's one thing to have them help with a game or something, but to burden them with real expectations is unfair and short-sighted.  They are likely overwhelmed as it is trying to keep up in the other subjects which may all be in a second language to them.  They should be allowed to relax to some degree in English class, not be burdened even more by having to perform for their peers.

I just wanted to give an alternate perspective on that.  As others mentioned, please think (and ask) about the student's needs and strengths before making them your pet.



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Re: What to do with a fluent English speaker?
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2014, 05:44:46 PM »
Teach her about South Africa.

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Re: What to do with a fluent English speaker?
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2014, 05:38:02 PM »
I haven't read the thread so forgive me if I am being redundant. I have a third grader from the states. My coteacher and I split teaching time. She leads the first half of class and I lead the second. So during the first half I meet the fluent student in the library and we chit chat or watch youtbe. In the second half he helps me translate and what not. Sometimes he doesn't help much but he is not terribly bored or a distraction because he gets his private chance to use English.
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Re: What to do with a fluent English speaker?
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2014, 12:22:58 AM »
It's a little ironic that many say Korean students are over-worked, but you want to give the kid more work.

I say let the kid be. Treat the kid like any other high-level kid. If the kid decides to approach you on their own saying that your class is too boring and easy, then you can consider other more constructive English material. Otherwise treat the kid like any other kid.

I know if I were some fluent English speaking kid brought back from where-ever to Korea, I'd just want to blend in and not stand out at all. Also, I'm lazy, and no way in heck I'd read an extra book, or do some extra work sheet. I'd rather blow paper spit-balls out of an empty pen-shell at my friend while your not looking.

 

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