Im here just to read the comments and to not forget about this topic later

Quote from: pkjh on February 24, 2015, 06:26:33 PM

Quote from: MayorHaggar on February 24, 2015, 06:11:27 PM

Quote from: ashe1590 on February 24, 2015, 01:00:41 PM

Quote from: MayorHaggar on February 24, 2015, 12:50:57 PM

You really have to wonder why Asian women would want an alternative to Asian men who spend all their time at work and spend all their free time either with male co-workers or with prostitutes.

I'm surprised we even got through two pages without someone spouting out racist stuff and generalizing an entire ethnic group. 

Yeah you're right, all those room salons and "business rooms" and massage parlors lining every street in every city are totally innocent places where upstanding businessmen can relax and get rid of some stress. And the "Da Bang" places in the countryside are just innocent places for old men to get a warm cup of Maxim.

Oh and forgot to mention the continuing prevalence of wifebeating in Korean culture.

Oh yes, wife-beating is soooo prevalent that my ct's are lining up to get divorced, and have trouble covering up their bruises with makeup. And the term 'wifebeater' shirt has its origins in the Korean language.

domestic violence doesn't always have to be physical violence: http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20120507001291

and Korea does indeed have a problem with domestic violence. the rate here is 5 times that of other nations such as Great Britain and Japan: http://www.asianewsnet.net/S-Koreas-domestic-violence-48729.html

and this piece of research by the UN shows that 1/6 households in South Korea experience physical violence between husband and wife: http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/egm/vaw_indicators_2007/papers/Invited%20Paper%20Korea%20Whasoon%20Byun,.pdf

and here's something that shows that the rate of men in South Korea offending for a second time has quadrupled from 2008 to 2012: http://www.humanrightskorea.org/2013/three-strikes-law-for-domestic-violence/

You beat me to the punch....

Yeah, I actually had to intervene and stop my neighbor from her husband murdering her... lots of blood.

domestic violence doesn't always have to be physical violence: http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20120507001291

and Korea does indeed have a problem with domestic violence. the rate here is 5 times that of other nations such as Great Britain and Japan: http://www.asianewsnet.net/S-Koreas-domestic-violence-48729.html

and this piece of research by the UN shows that 1/6 households in South Korea experience physical violence between husband and wife: http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/egm/vaw_indicators_2007/papers/Invited%20Paper%20Korea%20Whasoon%20Byun,.pdf

and here's something that shows that the rate of men in South Korea offending for a second time has quadrupled from 2008 to 2012: http://www.humanrightskorea.org/2013/three-strikes-law-for-domestic-violence/

Did you read these before you posted them? Or just google them and post them because you thought they supported your point that Korean men are inherently abusive?

One of them suggests a link between interracial marriages to immigrants (i.e. South East Asian 'global marriage' brides) that needs to be explored, which would suggest that abuse is more likely to happen in relationships with extreme power imbalances, not simply because the men are 'Korean' or 'Asian'.

One of them uses the overall household abuse rates to compare to other countries, including female-to-male violence, which inflates the overall numbers, before breaking it down in a gender-specific way.

One is a UN paper potentially used to highlight the issue of abuse in career and bring more attention to it while putting pressure on the government, and one is a article stating that courts are going to be more strict on domestic violence abuse and actively make an effort to charge more people, then you quote a rise in re-offending. Perhaps the re-offending always happened but these articles point to mounting support and cultural awareness that it is not acceptable, as the UN paper and law change would suggest.

While I do not condone any kind of domestic violence (emotional or physical), I struggle to believe that people think being of Korean race somehow gives you a genetic incentive to harm your wife then visit a prostitute (prostitution is a whole different post, though). Domestic violence and the reasons behind it are a lot more complex than 'They are Korean therefore the culture is to beat the wives'. No matter how much I disagree with any and all domestic violence, saying Asians beat their wives is not only a huge racist generalization, but it's just straight up racist and wrong, and oversimplifies the entire issue.   

On the subjects of disturbing blogs, this is a quite (in)famous one. https://klownisms.wordpress.com/

Wow... The guy is pretty bitter, but I can't argue with some of his points.  I only read one entry, but he comes down pretty hard on this class of expat Korean culture bloggers who, if not for them having an extremely limited and specific but nevertheless enthusiastic audience of other expats, would not be considered by anyone to be worth looking at at all.  They just recount their day walking around town like millions of other people do, but with the insipid arrogance of thinking their voice is special.  They dress up in a costume and enjoy some level of pseudo-celebrity in the only place that allows them to think for a second that they possess anything in the form of talent. 

He's also pretty accurate about the fact that not all cultures are equally deserving of respect.  Some really are, by any measure, better than others.  The evidence of that is pretty well observable in every corner of the world.  It's not just happenstance that Korean businessmen wear suits while English businessmen don't wear Hanbok.  It wasn't some random roll of the dice that led to the entire world running on cars, trucks, trains, and planes and not rickshaws and elephants.  It wasn't just an accident that modern medicine came to be used in hospitals all around the world instead of powdered rhino horn and mugwort burning.  One needn't look very far to see that certain cultures have profoundly shaped every aspect of life in every corner of the globe while others have steadily receded in their wake.  The admission of this reality does not necessitate disrespect, but it can be helpful at times to abandon facile pretensions that we are all equally special in our own way - the very foundation upon which the aforementioned "writers" base their occupation.

The writer of that blog is clearly full of anger and general disdain which are not called for or even necessary for some of his arguments to be valid.  The best possible world would be a post-cultural world in which any and all contributions of value would be enjoyed by all without having to endure useless or even detrimental practices out of a sense of guilt or fairness.

This ties into the argument at hand because, at least insofar as I've witnessed, interracial couples tend to be comprised of people who prioritise their personal view of life over some programmed set of cultural expectations.  By focussing on what enhances their own personal happiness and quality of life, whatever that may be in each case, they are actually contributing to a better world.  Culture can be fun and interesting, but there is no reason that it should supersede logic and reason. 

It's possible to acknowledge the faults in a particular culture whilst also leading a full and happy life within it.  So, while I found some of this blogger's ideas to be cogent, albeit angrily conveyed, I don't think it's necessary at any point in the process to hate, insult, disparage, or belittle a group of people.

On the subjects of disturbing blogs, this is a quite (in)famous one. https://klownisms.wordpress.com/

Yeah, he's been around a while.

Before him was American in Korea - http://www.sett.com/AmericanInKorea and Baek In-Je - http://baekinjeshow.blogspot.kr/

They, of course, took their model from one of the most talented writers (IMO) in the k-blogosphere - Expat Hell...before he was targeted by netizens threatening to make his identity, workplace, family etc public.

But I do agree with VeganBiker that these types of mindsets, one way or another, find their way into the overall theme of this topic

Quote from: johnny russian on February 25, 2015, 12:00:58 AM

domestic violence doesn't always have to be physical violence: http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20120507001291

and Korea does indeed have a problem with domestic violence. the rate here is 5 times that of other nations such as Great Britain and Japan: http://www.asianewsnet.net/S-Koreas-domestic-violence-48729.html

and this piece of research by the UN shows that 1/6 households in South Korea experience physical violence between husband and wife: http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/egm/vaw_indicators_2007/papers/Invited%20Paper%20Korea%20Whasoon%20Byun,.pdf

and here's something that shows that the rate of men in South Korea offending for a second time has quadrupled from 2008 to 2012: http://www.humanrightskorea.org/2013/three-strikes-law-for-domestic-violence/

Did you read these before you posted them? Or just google them and post them because you thought they supported your point that Korean men are inherently abusive?

One of them suggests a link between interracial marriages to immigrants (i.e. South East Asian 'global marriage' brides) that needs to be explored, which would suggest that abuse is more likely to happen in relationships with extreme power imbalances, not simply because the men are 'Korean' or 'Asian'.

One of them uses the overall household abuse rates to compare to other countries, including female-to-male violence, which inflates the overall numbers, before breaking it down in a gender-specific way.

One is a UN paper potentially used to highlight the issue of abuse in career and bring more attention to it while putting pressure on the government, and one is a article stating that courts are going to be more strict on domestic violence abuse and actively make an effort to charge more people, then you quote a rise in re-offending. Perhaps the re-offending always happened but these articles point to mounting support and cultural awareness that it is not acceptable, as the UN paper and law change would suggest.

While I do not condone any kind of domestic violence (emotional or physical), I struggle to believe that people think being of Korean race somehow gives you a genetic incentive to harm your wife then visit a prostitute (prostitution is a whole different post, though). Domestic violence and the reasons behind it are a lot more complex than 'They are Korean therefore the culture is to beat the wives'. No matter how much I disagree with any and all domestic violence, saying Asians beat their wives is not only a huge racist generalization, but it's just straight up racist and wrong, and oversimplifies the entire issue.

I'm happy someone already pointed out the nonsense of this response. Ashe, did you even read them?