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Re: Forget Korea: Where the Good, High-Paying ESL Jobs are Hiding
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2016, 04:30:08 AM »
Why do you have to post stuff like this Weigookin74???

I'm still in the beginning stages of talking with schools in Korea and you make me doubt my decisions!   ;D

Seriously though, is Korea THAT bad? I know that article is from 2014 but are all the experienced teachers just riding the train for as long as possible in Korea and then going to jump to China/elsewhere in a few years? That is sometimes the impression I get.

The real concerns I have with China (besides pollution) is that I don't really know what they have in place to protect the teachers in case of disputes. Korea has the labor board and they are (usually,mostly,sometimes...?) on the teachers side.
I have also heard that it can be harder for foreigners to send money back to the US from China. (Haven't researched that in depth though) 

Vietnam also sounds pretty great but is it really that stable or are you constantly going to be losing/gaining classes. I guess the tutoring option would make up for that though.

Myanmar sounds really cool but I know next to nothing about it. I wonder if it really is an emerging ESL market. The same with Kazakhstan!     

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Re: Forget Korea: Where the Good, High-Paying ESL Jobs are Hiding
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2016, 11:00:28 AM »
Korea is fine.  China is a hole.  Vietnam is expensive to stay in after they jacked up the visa fees.  Japan is nice, but their teaching level is probably worse than Korea.

The grass is always greener on the other side, so pick somewhere and go for it.

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Re: Forget Korea: Where the Good, High-Paying ESL Jobs are Hiding
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2016, 11:19:48 AM »
Korea is an excellent place to live and work. Working in a new culture inherently takes an enormous amount of flexibility and many posters on here either lacked that before coming or have become fatigued by any number of personal situations and stressors. It's what you make of it as well how lucky you get with your job and faculty.  :P

I have considered going to Vietnam myself eventually. I thought it was wonderful there although very "wild west" when it comes to rule of law.

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Re: Forget Korea: Where the Good, High-Paying ESL Jobs are Hiding
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2016, 11:47:34 AM »
Air quality in Japan is much better than Korea. 

I'm not sure what the East coast of Korea is like though.  I have not spent a lot of time there.

An English guy who had been living in Thailand told me that you can be fired from a job in Thailand in the morning and have another job by the afternoon.   Not in Bangkok though where competition is greater.

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Re: Forget Korea: Where the Good, High-Paying ESL Jobs are Hiding
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2016, 12:39:00 PM »
Despite all the negativity on here, Korea is the best place on the globe for one to begin an EFL teaching career.

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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2016, 12:42:49 PM »
Despite all the negativity on here, Korea is the best place on the globe for one to begin an EFL teaching career.

That's quite true, sometimes people forget how good we have it here.

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Re: Forget Korea: Where the Good, High-Paying ESL Jobs are Hiding
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2016, 12:44:08 PM »
Despite all the negativity on here, Korea is the best place on the globe for one to begin an EFL teaching career.

"Begin" being the operative word here.  You'll see a lot about people leaving, but it's after they've gained experience while on a good salary and are able to demand higher pay in other countries.  2-3 years experience is pretty key for making that jump, regardless of other qualifications you have.

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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2016, 12:46:32 PM »
I'd further qualify it by saying it might be the place place to begin a TEFL career if you have no real TEFL qualifications and money is your primary consideration.

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Re: Forget Korea: Where the Good, High-Paying ESL Jobs are Hiding
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2016, 12:55:14 PM »
Korea still has the best contracts for EFL teaching. I am in a public school which makes me most comfortable, however I am still not trustworthy of most of the Korean hagowns because too many of them are run by unscrupulous Koreans.

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Re: Forget Korea: Where the Good, High-Paying ESL Jobs are Hiding
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2016, 02:23:11 PM »
- China is like the opposite of Korea in terms of rep--you never hear much about the people having a bad time, you only hear from the few people who claim it's "so easy" to get a job making $3000 USD or more in Shanghai or Beijing *where you can chew the air). I looked at a public school job in Shenzhen and there were just too many gray areas in the contract and too many misrepresentations. At least in Korea salaries and free apartments are pretty standard across the board so you know what you're getting. And yes, sending money out of China can be hard.

- I've only been to Hanoi in Vietnam and the air pollution was way worse than Korea, and there's insane scooter traffic everywhere. No thanks.

Anyway most ESL teachers likely have some student loan debt and I can't imagine Vietnam/Thailand/China are good places for paying that.

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Re: Forget Korea: Where the Good, High-Paying ESL Jobs are Hiding
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2016, 02:53:35 PM »
Despite all the negativity on here, Korea is the best place on the globe for one to begin an EFL teaching career.

"Begin" being the operative word here.  You'll see a lot about people leaving, but it's after they've gained experience while on a good salary and are able to demand higher pay in other countries.  2-3 years experience is pretty key for making that jump, regardless of other qualifications you have.

That is basically the conclusion I have come to as well. These other countries really are interesting but it just seems like Korea has the process so streamlined that it really is the place to begin. I do not know how long it will be this way though. I think I mentioned in other threads, even looking at Dave's or whatever, that lots of employers are now asking for 1 year of experience in Korea. Or at least stating they will give preference to those candidates. Not the big chain hagwons of course, they are perfectly happy to still take anyone!   

I'm terrible at staying in one place for longer than a year or two. I'll probably be ready to check out one of these countries then.

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Re: Forget Korea: Where the Good, High-Paying ESL Jobs are Hiding
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2016, 02:58:11 PM »
- China is like the opposite of Korea in terms of rep--you never hear much about the people having a bad time, you only hear from the few people who claim it's "so easy" to get a job making $3000 USD or more in Shanghai or Beijing *where you can chew the air). I looked at a public school job in Shenzhen and there were just too many gray areas in the contract and too many misrepresentations. At least in Korea salaries and free apartments are pretty standard across the board so you know what you're getting. And yes, sending money out of China can be hard.

- I've only been to Hanoi in Vietnam and the air pollution was way worse than Korea, and there's insane scooter traffic everywhere. No thanks.

Anyway most ESL teachers likely have some student loan debt and I can't imagine Vietnam/Thailand/China are good places for paying that.

Also, if you think that the freedom of speech/press is bad enough in Korea, going to China or Vietnam would surprise you.  There is much more limitation of information over there. 

Out of 180 countries in the world, China is ranked at 176 in freedom of press.  Vietnam, is ranked at 175.  Sure, they beat NK at 179... but lets face it, when you are having a rank of freedom that is fairly close to NK, you aren't exactly in a very good place.

World Press Freedom Ranking 2016
http://rsf.org/en/ranking

Just like NK, if you make an inappropriate statement that criticize the wrong people (such as government or certain institutions), you could find yourself being detained to rot in jail.  So, if you DO plan to make a trip to those countries, just keep that in mind.  Keeping your mouth shut, is a whole lot better than opening it and complaining about every little thing.  It is after all, not your own country, where freedom of speech and expression is a lot more "open".
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Re: Forget Korea: Where the Good, High-Paying ESL Jobs are Hiding
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2016, 03:42:43 PM »
I think there is no such thing as a good high paying teaching job. If that is your goal then you should choose a different career.

You could earn more more money in corporate jobs, but you'll probably enjoy your work less.

You could enjoy yourself more in university jobs, but you'll probably earn less money.

You could get a masters+teaching certification, and go work for an international school. You'd get the best working conditions you can get while teaching abroad. But you'd still be paid less money to do the same job that you would do in your home country.

Everything has an upside and a downside.

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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2016, 03:43:04 PM »
I love China and would love to live there again but I chose to teach in Korea because I felt so much more secure with the government contract. If China had something like EPIK and their contracts were legally binding everywhere I'd return there for sure.

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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2016, 03:49:20 PM »
I think there is no such thing as a good high paying teaching job. If that is your goal then you should choose a different career.

You could earn more more money in corporate jobs, but you'll probably enjoy your work less.

You could enjoy yourself more in university jobs, but you'll probably earn less money.

You could get a masters+teaching certification, and go work for an international school. You'd get the best working conditions you can get while teaching abroad. But you'd still be paid less money to do the same job that you would do in your home country.

Everything has an upside and a downside.

With the exception of South Africa  :laugh:

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Re: Forget Korea: Where the Good, High-Paying ESL Jobs are Hiding
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2016, 03:54:53 PM »
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You could get a masters+teaching certification, and go work for an international school. You'd get the best working conditions you can get while teaching abroad. But you'd still be paid less money to do the same job that you would do in your home country.

I don't know where you get that idea from. Decent international schools generally pay better in terms of the overall package than schools in English speaking countries. They have to in order to attract the staff to work abroad. E.g. here's the salary scale of an international school in jeju which tops out at six and a half US dollars a month plus free accommodation, air fares etc... Overall better than you'd get at a UK state school.

http://recruitment.branksome.asia/salary-package


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Re: Forget Korea: Where the Good, High-Paying ESL Jobs are Hiding
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2016, 04:00:35 PM »
I love China and would love to live there again but I chose to teach in Korea because I felt so much more secure with the government contract. If China had something like EPIK and their contracts were legally binding everywhere I'd return there for sure.

Yea this is a big one for me too.

I've often found myself Googling "EPIK Program equivalent in XXX (insert country name)"

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Re: Forget Korea: Where the Good, High-Paying ESL Jobs are Hiding
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2016, 05:37:06 PM »
Why do you have to post stuff like this Weigookin74???

I'm still in the beginning stages of talking with schools in Korea and you make me doubt my decisions!   ;D

Seriously though, is Korea THAT bad? I know that article is from 2014 but are all the experienced teachers just riding the train for as long as possible in Korea and then going to jump to China/elsewhere in a few years? That is sometimes the impression I get.

The real concerns I have with China (besides pollution) is that I don't really know what they have in place to protect the teachers in case of disputes. Korea has the labor board and they are (usually,mostly,sometimes...?) on the teachers side.
I have also heard that it can be harder for foreigners to send money back to the US from China. (Haven't researched that in depth though) 

Vietnam also sounds pretty great but is it really that stable or are you constantly going to be losing/gaining classes. I guess the tutoring option would make up for that though.

Myanmar sounds really cool but I know next to nothing about it. I wonder if it really is an emerging ESL market. The same with Kazakhstan!   

No, actually, it's not that bad.  I'm just posting to generate discussion.  Also, I'm curious to hear other people's experiences if they are in or have taught in other places.

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Re: Forget Korea: Where the Good, High-Paying ESL Jobs are Hiding
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2016, 05:40:15 PM »
I'll be moving to Vietnam after I'm done here so I'll let you all know  :laugh:

 

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