For the few of you always talking about how bad it is that you can't hit kids in the classroom anymore...

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1113413810/spanking-defiance-health-discipline-042616/

So, we are now relating spankings to corporal punishment? Seriously? I think you should learn what corporal punishment is before comparing it to spanking. These researchers heads are in the @sses. I will punish my child in the same fashion I was punished. I am thankful that my parents busted my @ss when I needed it. But again, lets not compare corporal punishment to spanking. It is very different.

Korea is a perfect example of this. 

The schools used to be filled with very crazy and violent students, but at that time, corporal punishment was a thing.

Now, after they've taken away corporal punishment, the children are little angels. 

Quote from: Seoul cruiser on April 27, 2016, 10:24:29 AM

Quote from: benteacher on April 27, 2016, 05:15:12 AM

For the few of you always talking about how bad it is that you can't hit kids in the classroom anymore...

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1113413810/spanking-defiance-health-discipline-042616/

So, we are now relating spankings to corporal punishment? Seriously? I think you should learn what corporal punishment is before comparing it to spanking. These researchers heads are in the @sses. I will punish my child in the same fashion I was punished. I am thankful that my parents busted my @ss when I needed it. But again, lets not compare corporal punishment to spanking. It is very different.

What on earth are you talking about?

Spanking is generally what people mean when they say "corporal punishment".  Wiki says this: "School corporal punishment refers to causing deliberate pain or discomfort in response to undesired behaviour by students in schools. It often involves striking the student either across the buttocks or on the hands, with an implement such as a rattan cane, wooden paddle, slipper, leather strap or wooden yardstick."

And the study clearly defined spanking as "open hand on the buttocks or an extremity". We all know what "corporal punishment" in South Korea is like and, I don't care what Wiki defines it as. There is a difference. Should we pull out the youtube videos of corporal punishment in South Korea?

The problem with the Korean system is that they got rid of the corporal punishment system and didn't make a good substitute for disciplining the kids.

One time a student got up and slapped another student in the face in anger...My coteacher laughed and we got back to the lesson.

Another time a student was being bullied excessively (which wasnt a secret the kids did it in front of the teachers) so the kid tackled another student to the ground during the break between classes.  Nothing was done, no parents called, no VP involved.  Teachers were like "don't" and that was it.

If my kids fail every single class they are still allowed to be on soccer teams, etc.  Why are kids being rewarded for being terrible people?  VPS and parents need to be involved, teachers need to be educated, and students need to know that their are consequences to their actions.

But as I thought about this stupid stories come to mind.  A friend of mine brought chocopies to the staff just because they wanted to do something nice, the VP or Principal found out and wound up being super pissed off at him because SHE wasnt given a choco pie first... So If the adults are this ridiculous....how can you correct the kids?

The problem with the Korean system is that they got rid of the corporal punishment system and didn't make a good substitute for disciplining the kids.

One time a student got up and slapped another student in the face in anger...My coteacher laughed and we got back to the lesson.

Another time a student was being bullied excessively (which wasnt a secret the kids did it in front of the teachers) so the kid tackled another student to the ground during the break between classes.  Nothing was done, no parents called, no VP involved.  Teachers were like "don't" and that was it.

If my kids fail every single class they are still allowed to be on soccer teams, etc.  Why are kids being rewarded for being terrible people?  VPS and parents need to be involved, teachers need to be educated, and students need to know that their are consequences to their actions.

But as I thought about this stupid stories come to mind.  A friend of mine brought chocopies to the staff just because they wanted to do something nice, the VP or Principal found out and wound up being super pissed off at him because SHE wasnt given a choco pie first... So If the adults are this ridiculous....how can you correct the kids?

+1 They definitely dropped the ball when it came to getting rid of corporal punishment (which was a good thing by making it illegal), but replaced it with nothing. The students are not held accountable for their behavior, or their lack of achievement. I have plenty of students that fail Art, English, Gym, ect... yet move on to high school anyways. Seriously, one has to really work hard to fail Art and Gym.

I'm surprised so many on here are in favor of parents spanking their children. Usually when I speak in favor of it I'm met with overwhelming disagreement. I was raised with spanking as a pretty common punishment, and I have to say that my parents did a great job in disciplining us without ever being abusive. My dad never laid a hand on us if he was angry, and before we were spanked he sat down and talked to us about what we had done and why we were receiving the punishment. I am 100% okay with parents using spanking as a punishment if it's done in a non-abusive way (though some would argue that all spanking is abuse), but I have a hard time agreeing with school faculty being given the permission to use physical punishment.

I could never take Korean schools totally seriously while there doesn't seem to be any sanction for the students who sleep in class. It should be - The first time you get a warning, the second time it happens, detention/phone call to parents/picking up litter etc... Simple as.

I don't know whether it was any different with corporal punishment but I suspect not.

I'm surprised so many on here are in favor of parents spanking their children. Usually when I speak in favor of it I'm met with overwhelming disagreement. I was raised with spanking as a pretty common punishment, and I have to say that my parents did a great job in disciplining us without ever being abusive. My dad never laid a hand on us if he was angry, and before we were spanked he sat down and talked to us about what we had done and why we were receiving the punishment. I am 100% okay with parents using spanking as a punishment if it's done in a non-abusive way (though some would argue that all spanking is abuse), but I have a hard time agreeing with school faculty being given the permission to use physical punishment.

I suspect those that do argue are the ones who have kids that are ruthless little mother f!$kers. From my personal experience (have two brothers and two sisters), those siblings who had spanked their children raised children that went to college, have degrees, and are productive members of society. Other siblings who (believe in the liberal garbage such as spanking = abuse) raised children which (surprise, surprise) are in and out of jail, live off the welfare system, and are generally douche bags. I know what route I will take with my children. Regardless what a bunch of supposed researchers say.

Quote from: eggieguffer on April 27, 2016, 11:32:51 AM

I could never take Korean schools totally seriously while there doesn't seem to be any sanction for the students who sleep in class. It should be - The first time you get a warning, the second time it happens, detention/phone call to parents/picking up litter etc... Simple as.

I don't know whether it was any different with corporal punishment but I suspect not.

Over the years, my CoTs have asked about discipline back home. It always surprises them when I tell them that we don't dick around. I lay a hand on another kid? Automatic principal visit and my parents are called in. In my 2 years here, I have never seen a kid get sent to the P's office. EVER. I have heard a lot of "CO2 teacher, they are only children after all."

Yeah. Children who soced another one in the eye. You punch? You face the consequences. And the consequences should not be a stern 3 minute lecture in the back of the class from the English CoT they see twice a week.

I had a naughty student yesterday. I asked the teacher about it afterwards. He said that the student doesn't understand any English and doesn't want to learn it so he just sleeps instead. Me: tough shit, I will make him stay in during break with me and I will make him do English drills. My teachers approach: pat him on the back...

Quote from: BigEaredHylian on April 27, 2016, 11:24:24 AM

I'm surprised so many on here are in favor of parents spanking their children. Usually when I speak in favor of it I'm met with overwhelming disagreement. I was raised with spanking as a pretty common punishment, and I have to say that my parents did a great job in disciplining us without ever being abusive. My dad never laid a hand on us if he was angry, and before we were spanked he sat down and talked to us about what we had done and why we were receiving the punishment. I am 100% okay with parents using spanking as a punishment if it's done in a non-abusive way (though some would argue that all spanking is abuse), but I have a hard time agreeing with school faculty being given the permission to use physical punishment.

I suspect those that do argue are the ones who have kids that are ruthless little mother f!$kers. From my personal experience (have two brothers and two sisters), those siblings who had spanked their children raised children that went to college, have degrees, and are productive members of society. Other siblings who (believe in the liberal garbage such as spanking = abuse) raised children which (surprise, surprise) are in and out of jail, live off the welfare system, and are generally douche bags. I know what route I will take with my children. Regardless what a bunch of supposed researchers say.

Especially when those researchers put parents like mine into the same category as angry, abusive parents. An orderly, consistent form of spanking is not the same as smacking your child in the face out of anger.