Britain should stay in Europe but knowing Britain as I do they have done nothing but wriggle for the whole of their membership since the 70's.  We want to be the centre of Europe without being the centre of Europe.  Sovereignty in the modern day is non-existent.  Countries are members of so many different inter-governmental organisations that nobody really has total power over their law making or economical policies.  As for an identity, it is nothing more than a stereotype that defines a identity.  Britain is too multi-cultural to have an identity, it is also one of the most tolerant countries when it comes to multi-culturalism.  But British politics stinks, we have an unfair voting system that in no way represents the people's choices.  I like that I am British but I tear my hair out when I think about the idiots who run our country.  David Cameron?  Tony Blair (Yes, thanks for your recent comments about the bad state of Syria, Tony) Bellend.  If people listen to Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage then we are truly fooked.

Well if any waygook here wants to leave the EU I hope you don't get married to a Korean. Good luck trying to get him or her back into a closed doors UK.

I think that it would be stupid of the UK to leave the EU if the EU is remaining the EU.  If the EU itself were to dissolve then I think it would be a different story, but the UK would be closing itself off to a whole bunch of benefits it currently receives--especially when it comes to trading internationally--that would be far more damaging than I think people realize...

...That being said, I'm an American who doesn't know much about European politics, so that's just how it appears on the surface to me.  The whole issue is pretty interesting though and would have a massive impact globally.

I'll summarise it for you.

1. People want to leave to stop immigrants coming into the UK and stealing their jobs that they wouldn't want to do anyway.
2. People want to stop immigrants stealing their benefits that they aren't entitled to receive anyway.
3. People want to stop giving OUR money to the EU cos we give it all away and that's why their lives are shit.

Well if any waygook here wants to leave the EU I hope you don't get married to a Korean. Good luck trying to get him or her back into a closed doors UK.

Non-EU migration is already controlled by the UK government. Whether we're in the EU or not changes nothing with regards to that.

Quote from: phoebe100 on June 21, 2016, 11:34:27 AM

Quote from: AgentMichaelScarn on June 21, 2016, 10:55:57 AM

Well if any waygook here wants to leave the EU I hope you don't get married to a Korean. Good luck trying to get him or her back into a closed doors UK.

Non-EU migration is already controlled by the UK government. Whether we're in the EU or not changes nothing with regards to that.

You are right although Surrinder Singh method might be the only option for some.

True.

I would be interested to see how the Korean economy reacts. They do a significant amount of business with the EU block and Britain in general. They can't really afford to lose any more export business here.

And for the trade thing between UK and EU countries they will very quickly renegotiate. People like to conveniently forget that the reason consumers buy goods is because the price they pay fits the value to them of the service they receive. European consumers need UK goods. UK consumers need EU goods. The financial services will be the most interesting change I think.

The financial centers of Europe do much of the extra-European transactions through London-based banks. Brussels can handle some of is but some of the financial restrictions on international transactions were lifted or altered when UK entered into EU. Will be interesting to see if liquidity or ease of use changes due to this. They might want to protect those and just not re-instate the controls, because it's super profitable, but that will take some time.

This is all rather exciting to be honest. This is a once in a generation thing. And if they leave then other countries might as well. We could be seeing the beginning of the end of the EU experiment. Damn shame, that. The Euro is such a pretty looking currency.

Unbeliveable propaganda all over the western media and the economic and geopolitical perspectives are totally flawed. Outright lies and faulty pictures are being painted.

A vote for remain is a vote for the moneyprinters, financial and political elite. The remain side is backed up by the warmongers in Washington & Brussels and a vote for remain is a sign of justification of the wars in Syria & Ukraine and Libya & Iraq.

A remain vote is a vote for a totalitarian global system of central bankers in which we'll be reduced to consumers and slave labour. A remain vote will strip Britains of their sovereignty and they will never get it back.

A vote for Brexit will make Britain in control of it's own future and destiny. A vote for Brexit will allow Britain to make buisnees deals with the likes of India and China in a much easier way (pure scaremongering to say that Britain's economy will suffer from a Brexit).

A vote for Brexit is a vote against the investment bankers agenda and their puppet master Mario Draghi at the ECB: A vote for Brexit is anti-Orweillian and is a vote against central planning. A vote for Brexit is a vote for true local democracy.
 
Life in Europe is becoming a creepy nightmare and the Brexit vote might be our best chance (maybe last?) to change the course. Personally I don't need to consume more goods and be connected to any CPI figures or what not - I want freedom from the globalist cabal that has taken over Europe. JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Soros, McCain, Obama, Yellen, Nuland, Cameron, Corbyn, Hollande, Merkel, Reinfeldt, Draghi, Qatar, Saudis etc.. They can take everything I have as long as they don't rule over me..

Sorry for the rant, but this vote is about so much more than just how many immigrants will come to Britain. Remember when Iceland was in a similar position a few years ago? They were threatened by bankers but they made the right choice and now their country is flourishing. Brits need to make a similar choice on Thursday.

Quote from: DLJL on June 21, 2016, 11:57:43 AM

I'm 100% pro-BREXIT because if all of the people who constantly flood my facebook with their political opinions are to be believed, the damage to the UK economy will be so severe that the pound will become utterly worthless and I'll effectively get a 30% pay rise every time I send money home.

This is a question I was going to start a new thread for but I'll just ask here. I have a significant chunk of change that I was going to wait until I go home permanently (next year) to send home. However, do you think now is a good time to do it? Wait until after the referendum, and do it then? It's an interesting point.

Also, I'm pro-stay. i think cutting ties with Europe is madness. Just for the record.

Right now the exchange rate is better than it's been all year - around 600GBP for 1 million won. Last year it was as low as 511 for 1 million won. So sending it home right now will get you a rate about as good as it has been for the last 12 months.

BUT, if Britain leaves the EU next week most economists say the pound will drop sharply, meaning you'll get an even better exchange rate. If it doesn't leave, the pound will likely jump a little and then settle back into the trend it was in for the last few months prior to the Brexit hysteria.

All of this is predicated on the notion that economists are correct and they're not just scaremongering to make people vote one way or another. So unfortunately the only true answer is 'nobody knows.'

Personally I'm waiting; if we leave the EU, i'll get way more for my money - according to the experts, anyway. If we stay, I'll temporarily get less for my money but if I just wait a couple of months things will stabilise and go back to the way they are now. That seems the best idea to me, but honestly, who the **** knows.

Britain should stay in Europe but knowing Britain as I do they have done nothing but wriggle for the whole of their membership since the 70's.  We want to be the centre of Europe without being the centre of Europe.  Sovereignty in the modern day is non-existent.  Countries are members of so many different inter-governmental organisations that nobody really has total power over their law making or economical policies.  As for an identity, it is nothing more than a stereotype that defines a identity.  Britain is too multi-cultural to have an identity, it is also one of the most tolerant countries when it comes to multi-culturalism.

But British politics stinks, we have an unfair voting system that in no way represents the people's choices.  I like that I am British but I tear my hair out when I think about the idiots who run our country.  David Cameron?  Tony Blair?  If people listen to Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage then we are truly fooked.

Stay stay stay.

I do not trust the British government and I hate to encourage those 'lock up our borders' voters.

You don't seem to understand basic economics.  You are getting a "good" rate on the pound because the pound is weak.  Congratulations, you've figured that part out.

What you fail to realise is that all of those lovely, lovely pounds that you bought are weak.  This means you need more of them to buy stuff.

If you are lucky, and the pound strengthens again, then you will indeed be richer, because the weak pounds you bought cheaply got strong again.  However, it is just as likely that the pound will get even weaker.  Well done!  You are now sitting on a huge pile of worthless pounds.

You could argue that having a huge pile of worthless pounds is better than having a small pile of worthless pounds, but it's all relative.

Oh, and "Remain" FTW!  I have yet to see anything factual from the "Leave" campaign.  They seem to be relying solely on scaremongering, with no actual substance to their claims.  That notwithstanding, what will happen to UK citizens living in Europe, and Europeans living in UK?

Sigh, I'm not even going to be rude to you. I fail to understand basic economics? I was talking about selling now because I'll get more pounds, which then when we vote stay, will strengthen again. Fool.