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If you can shoot 10 rounds a minute, you will kill less people than if you can shoot 100 rounds a minute. That's because it will give MORE people MORE time to get away from the shooter. This isn't difficult to understand. Yeah, knives kill a tonne of people every year. It's still EASIER to get away from a knife wielder once he has started stabbing person/people 4 vs 49? Are you insane?
Quote from: CO2 on June 24, 2016, 12:46:16 PMIf you can shoot 10 rounds a minute, you will kill less people than if you can shoot 100 rounds a minute. That's because it will give MORE people MORE time to get away from the shooter. This isn't difficult to understand. Yeah, knives kill a tonne of people every year. It's still EASIER to get away from a knife wielder once he has started stabbing person/people 4 vs 49? Are you insane?fewer*
Oh OP, I hope you're not American, because your faulty logic is embarrassing. Do you have any idea how many more gun related deaths there are in the US compared with Germany or any other European country?Your argument that, "bad things still happen" is the most moronic argument gun nuts have and I'm sick of hearing it. How about we legalize all crimes because they'll happen any way? I mean people still murder and steal so let's just make it easier for them since they're going to do it anyway right?Oh and the "if more people have guns then they can stop the bad people with guns" argument too. Ok let's just say F*#k it and have a wild west shoot 'em up vigilante society, because no one ever got killed by stray bullets. Police forces are at least trained to tactically deal with armed criminals. Normal citizens with no proper training are just going to create more hazardous situations. It's funny how hell bent conservatives are to defend this constitutional right but ignore others like separation of church and state and never mind the fact that the constitution was designed to be amended. It's not a document set in stone. The constitution was written over two hundred years ago back when it took 2 minutes to fire one shot! And frankly we've outgrown the second amendment. While I think people should be allowed to have guns for sporting, normal people don't need to have high capacity military grade weapons. I could go on, but at this point I'm tired and bored...so yeah I'll end there.
Oh OP, I hope you're not American, because your faulty logic is embarrassing. Do you have any idea how many more gun related deaths there are in the US compared with Germany or any other European country? Your point being what exactly?Your argument that, "bad things still happen" is the most moronic argument gun nuts have and I'm sick of hearing it. How about we legalize all crimes because they'll happen any way Yea ok, now that is moronic? I mean people still murder and steal so let's just make it easier for them since they're going to do it anyway right? Do our laws actually make it harder? Oh and the "if more people have guns then they can stop the bad people with guns" argument too I've never made that argument. Ok let's just say F*#k it and have a wild west shoot 'em up vigilante society, because no one ever got killed by stray bullets. Police forces are at least trained to tactically deal with armed criminals You are joking right?. Normal citizens with no proper training are just going to create more hazardous situations Like a cop with a badge who doesn't like certain individuals?. It's funny how hell bent conservatives are to defend this constitutional right but ignore others like separation of church and state and never mind the fact that the constitution was designed to be amended Who is a conservative? Who says I'm ignoring others?. It's not a document set in stone No one said it was. The constitution was written over two hundred years ago back when it took 2 minutes to fire one shot! And frankly we've outgrown the second amendment Have we? Because you say so?. While I think people should be allowed to have guns for sporting, normal people don't need to have high capacity military grade weapons Why?. I could go on, but at this point I'm tired and bored...so yeah I'll end there.
Quote from: CO2 on June 24, 2016, 12:46:16 PMIf you can shoot 10 rounds a minute, you will kill less people than if you can shoot 100 rounds a minute. That's because it will give MORE people MORE time to get away from the shooter. This isn't difficult to understand. Yeah, knives kill a tonne of people every year. It's still EASIER to get away from a knife wielder once he has started stabbing person/people 4 vs 49? Are you insane?No gun made since 1900 takes 6 seconds to shoot. Casualties are as much related to the skill of the shooter as the firearm.
It doesn't compare.http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/oct/02/mass-shootings-america-gun-violence
Quote from: steviegerro on June 24, 2016, 12:18:24 PMQuote from: Seoul cruiser on June 24, 2016, 11:52:57 AMYea, jumped the gun for sure but, the point still remains. The guy, had more than ample opportunity to unleash a fury of hell. Instead barricaded himself inside and took hostages. Germany has strict gun control laws, so why do people think that by implementing stricter gun laws in the U.S. (or banning them) the mass shootings will stop???Are you suggesting that Germany has multiple incidents? Tell you what, when you have a real comparison between two countries, then you can use it as an example of why you think the US should just further ignore it's 3rd world problems. Germany isn't even on the map when it comes to gun crime, this is blatantly because there isn't a gun culture, despite people jumping on what are obviously isolated incidents.Ok, how about Columbia and the U.S.???????
Quote from: Seoul cruiser on June 24, 2016, 11:52:57 AMYea, jumped the gun for sure but, the point still remains. The guy, had more than ample opportunity to unleash a fury of hell. Instead barricaded himself inside and took hostages. Germany has strict gun control laws, so why do people think that by implementing stricter gun laws in the U.S. (or banning them) the mass shootings will stop???Are you suggesting that Germany has multiple incidents? Tell you what, when you have a real comparison between two countries, then you can use it as an example of why you think the US should just further ignore it's 3rd world problems. Germany isn't even on the map when it comes to gun crime, this is blatantly because there isn't a gun culture, despite people jumping on what are obviously isolated incidents.
Yea, jumped the gun for sure but, the point still remains. The guy, had more than ample opportunity to unleash a fury of hell. Instead barricaded himself inside and took hostages. Germany has strict gun control laws, so why do people think that by implementing stricter gun laws in the U.S. (or banning them) the mass shootings will stop???
Quote from: Mr.DeMartino on June 24, 2016, 03:19:52 PMQuote from: CO2 on June 24, 2016, 12:46:16 PMIf you can shoot 10 rounds a minute, you will kill less people than if you can shoot 100 rounds a minute. That's because it will give MORE people MORE time to get away from the shooter. This isn't difficult to understand. Yeah, knives kill a tonne of people every year. It's still EASIER to get away from a knife wielder once he has started stabbing person/people 4 vs 49? Are you insane?No gun made since 1900 takes 6 seconds to shoot. Casualties are as much related to the skill of the shooter as the firearm.Are you including reload time? Putting bullets back in takes time too. Those shells don't insert themselves.
Pretty much any firearm made after 1900 with a practiced hand. Revolvers? Speed loaders. If not, the gunman would just carry 4-6 of them on him. Pistols? Magazine can be changed in less than 2~3 seconds. Double barreled shotgun? About the same. Bolt action rifle? Again, the same. Now, they do have the advantage of maybe the shooter might fumble and so on.Really it all comes down to the skill and planning of the shooter. If they're coming with a duffel bag full of firearms, all your laws aren't going to prevent 20+ being killed. We haven't even gotten to homemade bombs yet.
