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Offline vossboss86

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Two Classes of 2nd Grade High School boys = kill my soul
« on: April 03, 2012, 11:48:49 AM »
Ok, I'm in need of some advice if anyone has some.

I've been at my boys high school for 7 months now.  My 2nd graders were my 1st grade students last year.  About 40% are new faces and the rest I taught on a regular basis during the academic year.  During winter vacation I taught most of the 1st grade students so they're are familiar with me and my style.

We're on our 5th week of the new school year and two of my classes are pure torture.  They don't participate, are lazy, and don't try the most basic things.  I feel relieved when a few of them fall asleep because then I don't have to deal with their disruptions.  Note: These boys are not in the low-level classes nor do they have behavior problems or learning disabilities.  They're just...... unmotivated.  Their Korean teacher told them yesterday in her class that she's tired of their attitudes and if they don't change then she won't teach them.  I told them today that if they're not going to participate then I won't waste my time to prepare activities and games for them.  I said next week is their last chance to get their act together.

Is anyone in a similar situation???  If so, how are you dealing or how have you dealt with such a thing?  I don't feel like I'm "giving up" on my students, but some sort of discipline is needed and I refuse to waste my time yelling at them and being unproductive.  I have a plethora of books to use (High School English I, Word Pot, etc.) so finding material isn't an issue.  Using a candy reward system isn't something that I would implement either; I'm looking for a realistic way to motivate and get these kids back on track.  Thanks in advance for all your advice.

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Re: Two Classes of 2nd Grade High School boys = kill my soul
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2012, 03:24:55 PM »
I'm suffering from some of that dreaded, my wonderful first grade ss's have turned into lazy uninterested second graders -itis.  Is that a thing?  Oh well. In my school this attitude change comes , in part, with the students finally being corralled into their educational direction during the second year of study.  They have stopped being easy going 1st graders because now in their second year they are "serious" students either studying in the "science" track of education or the "social science" track.  It is a pretty common thing from my understanding for the students to become more serious about their specialization as high school moves on.   It is largely my "science" tracked classes that have become the most burdensome to teach.  This to me makes sense since students who are generally motivated in learning foreign languages tend to be the ones who are interested in the "social science" track anyhow.
This leaves the question as to what the hell do I do with my ss's in these science track classes since they seemingly don't want to do English.  Well if you have a Korean co teacher in your classroom I'd suggest using him or her to generally keep the kids in order.  I don't have one.  I rely mostly on my students at least having a little respect for me to keep the noise level  where I'm not constantly screaming over 20+ ss's.
This doesn't always work but since I've pretty much been told I can't single out students for discipline well what can I do if they decide they don't have that much respect for me.  (Answer,  have a talk with the homeroom teacher about specific ss's and the problems they are causing.)
I think the trickiest part for me is learning to ignore the "bad apples" and teach to the students who still are willing (some of them even want) to do the work.  It is easy to ignore the good students.  They tend to be the quiet ones.   I think the key is to focus your lessons on the students you can work with and try to make it such a good time for them that slowly more students want to join into your activities.  It seems like an incredible task but it seems to be the only real option I have. 
Regarding candy. I've used candy as a prize but it seems to only really work when I have my extra curricular classes where I have far fewer students.  These students also joined this class voluntarily.  Candy might work for younger ss's but high school ss's have largely never seemed to respond to candy to sweeten the deal.  (see what I did there.) 
Anyhow don't know if I offered you any helpful insights but I do offer my sympathies.
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Re: Two Classes of 2nd Grade High School boys = kill my soul
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2012, 06:40:09 PM »
If it's an academic HS class I don't give them a break. If they don't want to do the work in class I'll make them stay after class. When they figure this out they'll at least fill in their handouts and whatnot - they're probably just going through the motions and not learning much, but at least they aren't disturbing others and making it look as though the lesson is optional. 

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Re: Two Classes of 2nd Grade High School boys = kill my soul
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2012, 01:25:46 AM »
I'm glad I'm not the only one going through this.  I teach three second grade classes, at an all boys school, one day a week.  I'm alone in the class and getting them to just stop talking is a massive task.  I threw a kid out, today; it felt good.  Doing so seemed to make the rest of them behave a bit more.  Kid wasn't even the worst one; he just happened to be the loudest at the wrong time.  I've tried moving the odd student to desks that are isolated from their friends, but that seemed to have little effect on them.

On the flip side, my first graders are a decent bunch, which is a massive improvement to when I had them in Middle school.

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Re: Two Classes of 2nd Grade High School boys = kill my soul
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2012, 11:21:48 AM »
I'm glad I'm not alone with this, but it sucks that we all have the same situation.  It also appears that I'm the only female in this boat.  Interesting.

I shouldn't complain about my problems as my co-teachers are in the class 90% of the time, usually standing at the back and intervening when it's necessary.  I plan and execute the lesson for the entire 50 minutes, they usually grad papers or translate/assist for the lower level students.  My school is definitely more of an academic school than anything.  Winter vacation?  Was that a real thing?

My Korean counterpart and I talked to the boys yesterday.  She was dead serious with them, I was impressed.  I asked them questions like, "Is my class difficult?", "Do I give you a lot of homework?", "Do you get to play games or have activities in science or math class?"  That seemed to get their attention, especially when I told them all the games we play could go away.  I did a "culture" lesson on Modern Family and have shown about three episodes over time and told them that and all TV shows would disappear.  I picked up their Word Pot book and showed them what we could do instead (listen, repeat, and vocab work) everyday.  The 1st class, i.e. the awful class, didn't seem to give two $hits about the situation whereas the 2nd class got wide eyed and we got along great the rest of the time.  We'll see if it lasts, but they know what the consequences will be if they decide to resort to their old behavior.  Not sure if fear is the best motivation tactic, but right now it's all I have.

I like the idea of making them stay until the work is done; usually they check out 7 minutes before the bell rings which means they're out of their chairs the second the bell sounds.  If I can't get a kid to stop talking after several warnings I make him take his book and stand up at the back of the classroom.  Even if he doesn't pay attention at least it gets him out of the mix.

Maybe a good question to ask now would be, Has anyone tried any sort of discipline that has failed miserably?

As much as these classes drive me crazy, this boys school is the most meaningful job I've had in Korea.  My co-workers aren't invasive and I have the freedom to do what I want.  Compared to the elementary school I was at before, this is a huge upgrade.  I hope I haven't come across as a complainer, I just want to try as much as I can and not give up on these boys.

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Re: Two Classes of 2nd Grade High School boys = kill my soul
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2012, 02:00:06 PM »
I can relate to your issue for sure!

As for me it's my Grade 1's who are a bit of a problem. I think it's because I have no discipline system set up for them.

What I do with my Grade 2's (and it works WONDERS!) is this:

-Bought a large world map and posted it up at the back of the classroom.
-Every class I spell "ENG" on the white board at the front of the class.
-If the students behave well, I add letters and eventually spell, "ENGLISH" on the board
-If the students misbehave, I take away letters
-Once all the letters are gone, I take away minutes and they have to stay after class

-If the students spell "ENGLISH" by the end of the class, they choose a country on the world map as a class and I put a little sticky on that country.
-I tell the class that they are competing with ALL of the other classes (I have 15 grade 2 classes)
-The winning class with the most countries/stickies on the map gets a special prize at the end of the semester (last semester it was krispy kreme donuts, which you can buy a lot for really cheap)

It's gotten to the point where I just say, "3, 2, 1" and they become quiet right away. If they aren't quiet I instantly take away letters from "ENG." Then some members in the class start yelling to others, "QUIET!"

I know you said you don't give away candy, and with that I agree (after all, they are almost 18 and 19). But I think that because their class isn't graded at my school some of them have no real motivation to study, do homework, etc. So I had to implement this system in order to keep them well behaved and more interested. They LOVE choosing countries and even saying the names of countries.

I hope this helps! It helped me out a lot, and my classes run much more smoothly because of it.

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Re: Two Classes of 2nd Grade High School boys = kill my soul
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2012, 05:17:55 PM »
I teach at an Academic HS (all-boys) and for the most part the students are well-behaved and attentive, especially compared to my previous middle school.

My grade 2 are split into the social science / science track and I actually find the opposite to one of the posters on here. The science classes pick up things quicker and in general they're brains have a bigger capacity to learn.
Little discipline is needed either although these are all advanced classes.

Grade 1 I teach all levels and often find the intermediates to be the worst to control but operating a reward system helps to keep it under control. The previous poster's idea about choosing a country each lesson is a great idea.

You can always improve as a teacher but you can't and never will be able to be effective for every single student you teach. Make each lesson as interesting as possible, try and keep the bad kids on side but don't go too easy on them. You hold a position of great respect and responsibility, use it.

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Re: Two Classes of 2nd Grade High School boys = kill my soul
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2012, 11:54:34 PM »
These are all really good ideas.  Thanks for your input, everyone.

I'll share one motivation tactic that I have with my science track classes:

The only book I use with them is Word Pot.  They have 20 words for each week that they have to memorize.  We listen, repeat, three students read the words once, I explain the meanings in English, and give them some sort of vocab test.  This is as boring as it sounds.  I struggled with this last fall so I decided to make class more fun.  I implemented a system I call Ice Cream Fridays.  In each class (there are six total) the students who volunteer to read the vocab words write their name on a piece of paper and it goes into a box.  At the end of the week I have a student choose two names and take the winners to the school snack bar and buy them the ice cream of their choice.  It's gotten wicked popular over the weeks and I have no problems getting volunteers anymore.  I also use it if a student has excellent behavior or reminds me to erase the words before the test.  (I value honesty.)  When you take students to the snack bar and a hoard of boys sees their teacher buying them ice cream they get competitive and it builds anticipation.  I'm sure this idea can be adapted anyway you like, but it's worked wonders with my school.  It's not like I have to carry a pocket of candy around, but it rewards those who try.


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Re: Two Classes of 2nd Grade High School boys = kill my soul
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2012, 11:47:18 AM »
I teach at a technical school where most of the students really dont give a  damn about learning English.  I teach an after school class of 2nd graders who seem to have the same attitude as ur students.  Their not bad students, just plain lazy.  The % to students who participate is about 30%.  I've also told them im tired of trying to make interesting lessons for them if they don't participate.  I threatened them that i will just have them sit there quietly for 2 hours and do worksheets if things dont improve. Things have gotten a little better but im not hesitant to go through w/ my threat.  It is close to mid terms so im giving them a break.

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Re: Two Classes of 2nd Grade High School boys = kill my soul
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2012, 01:46:34 PM »
Wow it is threads like this that make me love Waygook. I couldn't for the life of me understand what the hell happened to my second graders this year, they are rude unmotivated and do not care. This thread has helped me at least make sense of what is going on. I thought they were just sick of me and my lessons, well probably a bit of that too. And we really have remember esp this time of year, our students are STRESSED! Imagine being a Korean high school student and having to come to English class once a week when you want to be studying for midterms. I would probably goof off too.

Best we can do is listen to our kids do our best and try to connect to the ones who care about our classes.

 

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