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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2013, 12:30:24 PM »
I don't completely understand why this is such a sensitive subject.  In the States, everyone chose a Spanish/French/Japanese name for their language classes.  It's not forcing someone to adopt a new identity, it's a quirky and harmless way to add an extra English component to an English classroom.

Though I will campaign again for the use of realistic names in the classroom.  If you're providing a list, quickly Google search "popular baby names 2000-2010" and use those suggestions.  There's no point in having kids practice names they will literally never hear.

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2013, 12:37:09 PM »
I don't completely understand why this is such a sensitive subject.  In the States, everyone chose a Spanish/French/Japanese name for their language classes.  It's not forcing someone to adopt a new identity, it's a quirky and harmless way to add an extra English component to an English classroom.

Though I will campaign again for the use of realistic names in the classroom.  If you're providing a list, quickly Google search "popular baby names 2000-2010" and use those suggestions.  There's no point in having kids practice names they will literally never hear.
yeah. names like "big pig" or "Psy" are not latin-based or English oriented. i think Big Pig is most closely related to a nickname. and Psy is just a lazy way of saying "Psychotic" or "Psycho". lol
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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2013, 01:11:53 PM »
I don't completely understand why this is such a sensitive subject.  In the States, everyone chose a Spanish/French/Japanese name for their language classes.  It's not forcing someone to adopt a new identity, it's a quirky and harmless way to add an extra English component to an English classroom.

Though I will campaign again for the use of realistic names in the classroom.  If you're providing a list, quickly Google search "popular baby names 2000-2010" and use those suggestions.  There's no point in having kids practice names they will literally never hear.


Actually, they might remember weird names better.  For instance, another kid wanted to be cucumber.  He told me the Korean name, I did not know what it was, so I had him put the Hangul name into Google images, it was cucumber.  I asked him why?  In what English he knew he said his body in the shape of a cucumber.  I am also thinking about showing him Larry the cucumber from Veggie Tales, see if he would like that.  It might even encourage him to watch some of them, being more exposed to English.

Also, the name "pig man" would help that student know what the English name for pig and man is.  It would also be cool, if I wanted to do a super hero theme, to use him as an example for names and ideas. 

However, as I write, what about this:  English nicknames!  I would let the student know it is not an official English name, I teach them what "English names" are, but if they want to choose something funny for English, as a funny thing, we can do that.  Bad idea or good idea?  My name is Adam but some students like to call me Pinocchio.  Pinocchio would be by nickname.  English Name: Adam (student optional), Hangul name: (they choose for me), nickname: Pinocchio (student optional) 

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2013, 03:22:37 PM »
The correct course of action is to assign names based on appearance.  That way you know what students are called just by looking at them.  I have a "Potato" and "Garlic" as well as "licorice."  One student was called "Hamburger," but that was partially in jest.

Another option is to assign them all the same name.  It is simpler to remember their name if it shared between them.  For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Z5pc2eDu_sk#t=142s

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2013, 03:27:10 PM »
The correct course of action is to assign names based on appearance.  That way you know what students are called just by looking at them.  I have a "Potato" and "Garlic" as well as "licorice."  One student was called "Hamburger," but that was partially in jest.

Another option is to assign them all the same name.  It is simpler to remember their name if it shared between them.  For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Z5pc2eDu_sk#t=142s

haha. Love it!

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« Reply #45 on: April 18, 2013, 03:51:13 PM »
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Another option is to assign them all the same name.

Did it. Worked wonderfully. Like seriously, they always seemed to know which one in particular I was addressing.

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #46 on: April 18, 2013, 06:58:03 PM »
Also against giving out English names.
It just seems weird...and not right.  I've never had to choose a foreign name in the foreign language classes that i've taken in highschool and college...so Im unaware of this happening back home. 
I can see the reasoning behind the naming..but..it overall just doesnt seem like a good idea...or worth doing. 
If a student wants me to call them by something else, then that's different..but forcing it on them isn't right in my mind.

I only have a handful of students that have asked me to call them by an English name...and as long as they aren't inappropiate then I oblige. (I dont mind if its a goofy name--I have a Mantis, English Champ, and a Mini-Iseya for example). 
The students that want me to call them an English name are usually the more outspoken, and energetic ones, so when I call on them they're more likely to be engaged and involved in the class--and that brings in other students as well.  (which comes in handy at a boys tech. highschool)
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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2013, 07:31:55 PM »
I don't completely understand why this is such a sensitive subject.  In the States, everyone chose a Spanish/French/Japanese name for their language classes.  It's not forcing someone to adopt a new identity, it's a quirky and harmless way to add an extra English component to an English classroom.

Though I will campaign again for the use of realistic names in the classroom.  If you're providing a list, quickly Google search "popular baby names 2000-2010" and use those suggestions.  There's no point in having kids practice names they will literally never hear.
This is done for the benefit of the teachers here, not the students. Koreans prefer that you use their own names. And no, not everyone takes on foreign names in Spanish/French class in the States. I was never forced to for any of my language classes except for a German class in high school, and it was completely pointless.

You will get far better results with Korean names than you will using an English name. 

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2013, 11:10:48 AM »
I don't completely understand why this is such a sensitive subject.  In the States, everyone chose a Spanish/French/Japanese name for their language classes.  It's not forcing someone to adopt a new identity, it's a quirky and harmless way to add an extra English component to an English classroom.

Though I will campaign again for the use of realistic names in the classroom.  If you're providing a list, quickly Google search "popular baby names 2000-2010" and use those suggestions.  There's no point in having kids practice names they will literally never hear.


The reason this was a big deal for me is because of a story I read about Japanese occupation.  It is from Michael Breen's, "The Koreans", I do believe.  Quickly, the Japanese were forcing the Koreans to take Japanese names.  One father told his son to remember his Korean name, to never forget it. 

I might be weird, naive, or crazy, (no might about out actually) but ever sense I read that story I have been sensitive to having Koreans choose their English names.  That is why it is a big deal.  The Koreans have been trying to get and maintain their own social identity.  I want to help them with that while sharing my culture.

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2013, 01:47:31 PM »
I don't completely understand why this is such a sensitive subject.  In the States, everyone chose a Spanish/French/Japanese name for their language classes.  It's not forcing someone to adopt a new identity, it's a quirky and harmless way to add an extra English component to an English classroom.

Though I will campaign again for the use of realistic names in the classroom.  If you're providing a list, quickly Google search "popular baby names 2000-2010" and use those suggestions.  There's no point in having kids practice names they will literally never hear.

I will reiterate that I for one hated being forced to use a fake name while in class when I was in school.  And that's what it is, a fake name.  Just because something is common practice in the States doesn't mean it is necessarily a good thing.  Everywhere else but your class they are called Minji or Donghyun and not Amber or John or whatever name they pick.  Just like when I was forced to respond to being called Maria for a whole year, it was overall pointless and and far less effective than just calling me and them by our real names.  Some Korean students like using English names (and those students will usually tell you) and I see no problem using them for students that want it but some (most) don't and I don't see a reason (besides it being easier for the English teacher to say) to use anything but their real names.

yeah. names like "big pig" or "Psy" are not latin-based or English oriented. i think Big Pig is most closely related to a nickname. and Psy is just a lazy way of saying "Psychotic" or "Psycho". lol

Pretty sure it has nothing to do with wanted to be called Psycho but that they want to be called Psy because of the Korean singer.
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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2013, 06:37:36 PM »
My German teacher in high school gave me a name, even though my real name has a German equivalent. I liked it because many of the names for the students were also names we would see in the textbook. Like Klaus and Dirk.

I'm past trying to learn my students names. I've been doing this:

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #51 on: April 20, 2013, 03:40:35 PM »
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  Some Korean students like using English names (and those students will usually tell you) and I see no problem using them for students that want it but some (most) don't and I don't see a reason (besides it being easier for the English teacher to say) to use anything but their real names.

I don't teach HS level but I saw this thread and I think the reason to do this is actually pretty obvious:

there's a world outside Korea. It's pretty big. And, shocking I know, but basically NO ONE outside in that big, big world, can speak Korean, read Hangeul or pronounce, correctly, Korean names, even if they are transliterated accurately and consistently [which of course they rarely are].

This includes the closest neighbors like China and Japan; and the places where aspirational Koreans go on vacations, like Thailand, Cambodia, or the Philippines; and places where lots of intra-Asian business gets done like Hong Kong and Singapore. AND, of course, the holy grails of academic study, in America, Canada, and Europe.

Do you think a student whose 'real' name is, say, Eun-hye, as is one of mine, is going to well-served in the larger non-Korean world by insisting on using her Korean name to do things like make hotel reservations, or talk to new people at meetings? How many times will my student Ye-ra have her name pronounced 'yee-rah' before she sees that using Lucy [her choice] is just easier? And then there's Hae-ri, and Ji-eun, and Hye-jie...it goes on.

We here know how to say them, but no one else does, and they never will because Korean is such a niche language with such weird sounds. They will have to listen to people butcher them time after time, or they can just make it easier for everyone and use the universally understood English names.

It's kind of like, you know, mandating learning a language that's not native to your home country because it's the lingua franca of the larger world...which I'm pretty sure is something they have some familiarity with doing, don't they?

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #52 on: April 20, 2013, 06:34:52 PM »
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  Some Korean students like using English names (and those students will usually tell you) and I see no problem using them for students that want it but some (most) don't and I don't see a reason (besides it being easier for the English teacher to say) to use anything but their real names.

I don't teach HS level but I saw this thread and I think the reason to do this is actually pretty obvious:

there's a world outside Korea. It's pretty big. And, shocking I know, but basically NO ONE outside in that big, big world, can speak Korean, read Hangeul or pronounce, correctly, Korean names, even if they are transliterated accurately and consistently [which of course they rarely are].

This includes the closest neighbors like China and Japan; and the places where aspirational Koreans go on vacations, like Thailand, Cambodia, or the Philippines; and places where lots of intra-Asian business gets done like Hong Kong and Singapore. AND, of course, the holy grails of academic study, in America, Canada, and Europe.

Do you think a student whose 'real' name is, say, Eun-hye, as is one of mine, is going to well-served in the larger non-Korean world by insisting on using her Korean name to do things like make hotel reservations, or talk to new people at meetings? How many times will my student Ye-ra have her name pronounced 'yee-rah' before she sees that using Lucy [her choice] is just easier? And then there's Hae-ri, and Ji-eun, and Hye-jie...it goes on.

We here know how to say them, but no one else does, and they never will because Korean is such a niche language with such weird sounds. They will have to listen to people butcher them time after time, or they can just make it easier for everyone and use the universally understood English names.

It's kind of like, you know, mandating learning a language that's not native to your home country because it's the lingua franca of the larger world...which I'm pretty sure is something they have some familiarity with doing, don't they?

As I already said, if students want an English name I see no problem using it but requiring English names in the classroom is not something I agree with.  I think students should be given the choice of if they want one, not just what new name they want. 
I have met Koreans in my home country who go by English names and I've met Koreans in my home country that go by their Korean names (spelled out in English obviously).  I think your argument that going by a foreign-sounding name is somehow going to hurt them later in life is ridiculous.  Will people mispronounce it?  All the time.  However, that happens to just about everyone and it happens everywhere.  My name is mispronounced on a daily basis here in Korea.  Should I start going by a Korean name then?  When in Roman and all that... If it bothers me enough than I suppose I could but since Americans have a tendency to butcher my not-weird-or-complicated name I am pretty immune to the annoyance.  Personally I have no desire to be called a different name and I think it is nice that they even try to say my real name properly even though it is difficult for them. 
And I hardly believe that students buy into the "we use English names because we want to make you more globally minded" argument.  It's easier for the native teacher to say.  Plain and simple.  If you want to make them more global than focus on bridging the cultural gap with them, not forcing a new name on them.

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Re: Students choosing English names...opinions, please
« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2013, 05:51:08 PM »
In my first class I showed the students a big list of top American baby names and told them that they *could* choose a Western nickname.  Then the made triangle-shaped name cards with their Western nickname on one side and their real name spelled out with the alaphabet on the other side.  I made it clear that it was a nick-name, for FUN, and they weren't required to choose one.  99% of 500 girls chose a nick-name.  Most were actual names but a few were far from normal. (One girl chose Xyletol, like the gum.  Three students that sit in a row went with "Tom" "And" "Jerry".  One girl is Cherry, one is Neil, one is Zoo, one goes by Kitchen.) The most popular are Lily and Bella, but there are a few Beyonces and Rihannas.

At the end of every class, my students leave the card on the desk, and I pick them up in the correct order.  I also made a seating chart with each student's (real) name in the correct spot.  The only class lists that I was given were in Korean and would have been very difficult for me to navagate when I first started. Seven months later, I can read Korean but it would still be on the difficult side.  My system does take time and effort, but I'm very happy that I did it.  Otherwise it would be way to overwhelming for me to evaluate my 500 students and keep control in the classroom.

I taught middle school in Japan and the kids at one of my schools chose Western names for me to address them by at the urging of their Japanese teachers.  They thought it was fun at first and then they got sick of it REAL quick.  Here in Korea I almost always use their Korean names, but occationally I throw in their western nickname and it usually gets a laugh.  I think the students enjoy learning some Western names, chosing their favorite, and seeing what their friends choose.  For us it's fun - nothing more, nothing less.   


 

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