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Offline cccosmonaut

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First Graders from Hades
« on: March 19, 2013, 12:59:35 PM »
I'm three weeks in and already calling for help with these guys/thinking I might need a miracle worker with them.  I have 4 classes of first grade boys, 4 classes of first grade girls.  The girls are fine - I'm often left alone with them and have no problem controlling class, but the boys are absolutely wearing me down.  They generally don't want to participate, they talk constantly (even more than the girls - I didn't even know that was possible) and are disrespectful often. 

And it's not even all of them; I was recently told by my 2nd grade co-teacher that each grade were divided in to groups by gender (1-4 being boys, 5-8 being girls) and then interest (1 & 2/5 & 6 being not scientifically/mathematically-minded and 3 & 4/7 & 8 being scientifically/mathematically-minded), meaning that four of the eight classes are the "less motivated" students.  Part of the issues stem from co-teachers as well; one of my coteachers tends to sit in the back, fall asleep, stare at me like I'm an idiot, etc. 

Has anyone had any experience with 1st graders and what to do with them?  I'm dying for ideas here - everything short of bomb games tends to give me an unruly, awful class.
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Re: First Graders from Hades
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2013, 01:29:53 PM »
CAndy and lots of it.

Teacher before me used candy, I use candy.

Dunno why candy is such a great motivator but it really shuts them up. Gets a tad expensive but I figure my sanity is worth it.

They actually kinda learn stuff too. Jesus.

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Re: First Graders from Hades
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2013, 02:42:02 PM »
I use a strike system, after the third strike I stop the class, and make EVERYBODY write long, long English sentences: "I'm sorry teacher, I was bad, I will do better next time." I start at 50 lines and add a line for every time a students talks. It's very effective.
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Re: First Graders from Hades
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2013, 02:49:54 PM »
I have a new co-teach this year that uses the rows they are put in and points as motivators and class room management at the same time. I was surprised how much the kids, even boys, want to participate and behave, if you make the points be given or taken away by row, not by one person, then there is more chance that one will not feel singled out, but the rest of the row will know who is misbehaving and tell that student to behave. But the key is making the table of points visible to everyone so the students know where they stand and if points are taken away, they can see, feel it, and then they want more points so they raise their hands more. In my current experience anyway. And yes, this is 1st grade middle school boys and girls.

They also inherently learn a little of teamwork and there is nothing material you have to do until the end of the semester. Of course, it also depends on the class. There are some classes that purposely want negative points, but usually, they get to see how other classes like their positive points and sometimes change their mind. It mostly depends on the day, though, lol. Hope this helps.


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Re: First Graders from Hades
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2013, 04:36:12 PM »
Because it's been three weeks, it's going to be almost impossible to change their behavior now. The best you can shoot for is that it doesn't get much worst than it is. But the lesson I learned working in Korea is always, always, always bring worksheets to class for the students to do. If you're doing that already, then my advice is useless. But my first year teaching here, I didn't use worksheets, and each year since I have, and even the worst classes are significantly better if, on the very first day, I introduce worksheets, and keep it up the entire semester. It keeps the students in their seats, and it keeps them doing *something*.

Since Korean kids don't take notes in class in English class (not having notebooks and all), it leaves too many of them idle, and idle hands are the devil's workshop and a teacher's nightmare. Twenty minutes of worksheets, twenty minutes of verbal activities is a good recipe for a better class experience, and I use this for kindergarten, first, and second grades, as well as the higher grades. Don't let anyone tell you that kids that young can't write. They can and they will if you present it to them as if they can. Just keep it simple but keep it time consuming for at least twenty minutes.

I should have been more clear - when I'm referring to "first graders," I mean first grade high schoolers (freshmen).  As great as these suggestions are, even worksheets/candy/etc. aren't efficient motivators for them. :/
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Re: First Graders from Hades
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2013, 05:10:12 PM »
Why on earth did the school split them like that? Most classes need a balance of good-to-bad kids to set the atmosphere and the ones who want to learn often help control the kids from Hades. Do you report them to their homeroom teacher when they act up? As the homeroom teachers can contact their parents, bad as they are they are usually scared of mom and dad. Try to get their names and pictures on a piece of paper and laminate it. You'd be surprised how soon my middle schoolers would back down with a simple "Ya Kim Jisu! Minus point?" What kind of discipline system does the school have?

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Re: First Graders from Hades
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2013, 10:21:36 PM »
league of legends videos are good motivators. I give up 5 minutes of class at the end if they behave. They get a warning and then no video. If no video I try to embarrass a few of the trouble makers by making them do charades (ballerina, rabbit, kangaroo, etc) and have the class laugh at them. In the long run I try to befriend these students and have them control the class for me. I had a student tell me "go away, I understand, I understand" two minutes later his group mates were hitting him for making them lose. I never really gave candy out and if I did I only gave 2 pieces for the winning group and they had to rock paper scissors for it. General class for me goes something like vocab guessing game (what's the word), review of last lesson, quick high energy activity, the actual lesson, a group activity, league of legends video/review.

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Re: First Graders from Hades
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2013, 02:12:47 PM »
I don't give out candy. Doing worksheet really does keep them occupied. Its a good piece of advise to always have one and if you feel you're gonna lose it on them, just give out the worksheet. Even the literates in my school can do crosswords and wordsearches :D

League of Legends is your friend. Videos in general are your friend. Don't expect your coteachers to do much, otherwise you may set yourself up for disappointment. Just approach class like you're the only teacher and if a coteacher does help you, well that's allllright!  ;D

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Re: First Graders from Hades
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2013, 03:24:15 PM »
Yeah, I rarely and randomly give out candy. I'm not going broke feeding the undeserving..and I don't want them to think that I have to give them candy in order for them to do anything. 

Sounds like you got a crappy break, OP.  They separate the kids by level at my school as well, so, all of the unmotivated bad students are in the same class.
It was rough at the beginning of my first year, but I just had to constantly be on them till they broke. 

Since your co-teacher is in the room with you, I might check with her to see what you can do to punish them. 
The worst thing the co-teacher could do is reverse whatever punishment you give them.  It makes you look even weaker than they already may think you are.
And you gotta have something that's doable and follow through with it.
If you tell a kid to write something 100 times, and he tells you 'no", then what?

I think it's of course easiest and best to set this ground work the first week, but I dont think it's too late at the 3 week mark. 
I'd stop the lessons for a week and have "serious talking time" with the classes that going forward things are going to be different.

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Re: First Graders from Hades
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2013, 04:56:11 PM »
Positive reinforcement should be the first move. 

Something that I did was a game grid, similar to an integer board: +5..0..-5.  When the students behaved or answered a question right, I'd add a positive point, but if the kids acted bad, I'd take a point away.  The class would then shame the bad person or people.  I've learned that students are more afraid of being ousted by their own than scolded by the oppressive teacher - especially a new one who they think they don't have to respect.

At +5, the whole class is rewarded, usually with a game or activity that relates to the lesson at hand.  I taught a 2nd grade class of 12 boys.  I had some good success and recommend it to you.  Just make sure that it's established that your activities are really fun.  If you slip and make something boring, everything will fail - the kids will lose motivation.
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Re: First Graders from Hades
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2013, 05:01:51 PM »
I recommend employing Sun Tzu's The Art of War to your classroom management.

http://www.artofwarsuntzu.com/Art%20of%20War%20PDF.pdf

I used it when I first came to Korea. At that school, I had a similar system - kids split up on skill and behavior.  I had the lowest or the low.  It was not easy.  But I tried to adopt basic strategy from this book and had success.
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Re: First Graders from Hades
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2013, 05:55:04 PM »
Positive reinforcement should be the first move. 

Something that I did was a game grid, similar to an integer board: +5..0..-5.  When the students behaved or answered a question right, I'd add a positive point, but if the kids acted bad, I'd take a point away.  The class would then shame the bad person or people.  I've learned that students are more afraid of being ousted by their own than scolded by the oppressive teacher - especially a new one who they think they don't have to respect.

At +5, the whole class is rewarded, usually with a game or activity that relates to the lesson at hand.  I taught a 2nd grade class of 12 boys.  I had some good success and recommend it to you.  Just make sure that it's established that your activities are really fun.  If you slip and make something boring, everything will fail - the kids will lose motivation.

All of these are great - I especially loved the point chart (and I'll look in to the Art of War as well).  For now, I have developed what I believe to be a pretty good system:

- Class rules (that I had given out the first day, and all of my other classes have seemed to do well with) displayed on a wall so that there is no question;
- Seating arrangements based on ability (my main co-teacher helped me a lot with this - one high level student, two mid-range, and one low)
- A positive reinforcement point system that rewards participation

My 2nd graders, who were apparently total turds last year, have been super enjoyable for me, so I'm hoping this will work with my two troublesome 1st grade classes (the only two out of the 16 that I'm having problems with!) too.  Crossing my fingers....
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Re: First Graders from Hades
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2013, 12:17:10 PM »
Hey - what's a good punishment for students who DON'T do the worksheets you lay in front of them?

Any ideas? My 3rd grade MS and 1st grade HS students especially.
My first day I watched a few lessons and had my first class which was a Grade 2 class or something like that. I thought every things was great until a kid ddong-chimmed me. 

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Re: First Graders from Hades
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2013, 12:36:14 PM »
Hey - what's a good punishment for students who DON'T do the worksheets you lay in front of them?

Any ideas? My 3rd grade MS and 1st grade HS students especially.

that's a good question, too - my 1st graders are bad at that as well.  my second class of 1st graders today i had them develop a seating arrangement in which one person was the captain and one person was the assistant.  the captain is responsible for the other student's worksheets, and if the worksheets aren't completely filled out at the end of class, then their group loses a point.  i'm curious as how effective that will be...
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Re: First Graders from Hades
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2013, 06:32:15 PM »
I'm glad I am not the only person with this problem. I am in a Technical HS and the first graders are a nightmare. Not all of them but the majority. They do not listen to me nor to the CT. I do not want to lose sleep over this but I do not like feeling that I have accomplished nothing after a day in school.

Some of your advice is fantastic guys, thanks a lot. I will devise a rules sheet with the CT and make them agree with it.

It can be seriously demoralizing dealing with students who only seem to want to be there to make your life difficult.

Videos do work but I do not want to be a 'youtube' teacher! Any more ideas about how to deal with these classes would be so appreciated! Thank you!

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Re: First Graders from Hades
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2013, 01:33:57 AM »
This is my fifth year teaching in Korea and I've tried many 'tactics'  keeping in sight my belief that an engaged class needs less management.. the best so far?  Genki English.  I have to say, it's a fun program and my kids go crazy for most of it.  The songs are wacky and the games are repetitive so you don't have to get into new rules all the time.  Of course, I have the luxury of teaching what I want and not everyone is so fortunate. 

You can get some free materials from the www.genkienglish.net and give it a go!

And no, I don't work for Genki, just am amazed at how much more enjoyable my class time is now.

Good luck! 

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Re: First Graders from Hades
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2013, 01:47:24 PM »
I'm at an all girls high school and my classes are split similarly in the fact that classes 1 and 2 are not science or math based and class 3 is. However, I don't think it is set up as a bad/unmotivated class vs a good/motivated class. It was explained to me as a split based on interests more than motivation and attitude. I have students in all three classes that are great kids, and ones that are bad kids, and the majority of them are average in behavior and motivation.

So far, what I have found in my experience as well as from other teachers who I have spoken with, finding the topic of interest will be the first stepping stone for managing them. I carry around my daily planner and i keep notes for each individual class on what seems to keep their interest, what doesn't, even the kpop artists or songs or sports that a class likes more. It helps me to keep a better idea of what I can use for examples and what not, even if I am teaching the same lesson and material to each class. Boys are always hard, no matter what you do, but interest in the at least the subject matter of the lesson, if not the goals or grammar or basics of the lesson, I think is a good place to start.

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« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2013, 01:14:27 PM »
I was having problems handing out candy all the time so I started up a points system.  Each student has a point card (basically ten squares on a piece of paper the size of a business card).  I sign for answers, winning games, in some classes I sign for being quiet or for bringing in a notebook.  Basically anything that's "good" behavior.  I also refuse to take away points, but I might not give points if they've been talking (this has only happened in one terrible class). 

My classes don't count for anything so I offer candy and extra credit on the speaking tests (the ONLY thing I have any control over)

This hasn't helped in every class but it's still relatively new...

Good luck!

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Re: First Graders from Hades
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2013, 06:31:21 PM »
I recommend employing Sun Tzu's The Art of War to your classroom management.

http://www.artofwarsuntzu.com/Art%20of%20War%20PDF.pdf

I used it when I first came to Korea. At that school, I had a similar system - kids split up on skill and behavior.  I had the lowest or the low.  It was not easy.  But I tried to adopt basic strategy from this book and had success.

Not sure if trolling... or absolutely brilliant application of a method to control adults used in a public school setting...
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Re: First Graders from Hades
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2013, 01:55:16 PM »
This is my fifth year teaching in Korea and I've tried many 'tactics'  keeping in sight my belief that an engaged class needs less management.. the best so far?  Genki English.  I have to say, it's a fun program and my kids go crazy for most of it.  The songs are wacky and the games are repetitive so you don't have to get into new rules all the time.  Of course, I have the luxury of teaching what I want and not everyone is so fortunate. 

You can get some free materials from the www.genkienglish.net and give it a go!
 

I'm assuming you don't teach high school kids this. This wouldn't go over well in high school.

 

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