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Offline Arsalan

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Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« on: April 07, 2011, 01:20:17 pm »
Hi Everyone,

I've had to create a new post regarding this as there have been many requests now for a "subscription" type mechanism to allow users to pay a small yearly fee to download freely off the server.

We recently came across an issue regarding the bandwidth, and although we have yet to figure out why such a huge upsurge of downloads occurred in the span of a week (25TB worth!), we've decided to place a minimum post requirement of 5 posts for FULL access to downloads/attachments/lesson plans.

Some users wish however to just donate a small fee to contribute towards the site's costs and maintenance, and we've now made that available through your profile.  You can click on your profile, and at the bottom left of your menu you'll notice a "paid subscription" link.  There you can choose to opt for a 10$ yearly fee, which amounts to about .83 cents per month.  We'd rather have it setup as a one time yearly fee as it is processed by paypal, and they take a small chunk of each transaction.

Everything else is the same, but due to increase in the user base on waygook, and the overall open and non-profit structure of waygook.org, we have two options for our users:

- Make 5 posts, about anything you wish, with or without lesson plans.  However, no empty posts as you will get banned for doing things like a "+1" posting or just a ":)", "harumph" ...
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- Option to pay a nominal yearly subscription fee. by following:
THIS LINK FOR SUBSCRIPTIONS.

If you have already donated using the chipin service, please let me know and I'll double check on that to update your status.  If you have noticed a "fanatical supporter!" title or "featured contributor" then you don't have to worry.

SUBSCRIPTION LINK HERE ALSO

--------- Some Clarifications ----------

Hey Everyone, I just want to clarify things regarding the changes as there are a few different posts about it, with people asking the same questions:

- Regarding the 5 posts
This is a necessity, it won't be changed.  It's been too easy for someone to register, logon, download like crazy, and not contribute anything at any point.  Having the minimum at 1 post is also too easy as it lets someone type a quick greeting and move on.  5 posts makes it easier for us to determine if someone is just posting empty threads/topics.  It's also not unfair as you can easily have 5 posts about anything in here (again I repeat, doesn't have to be lesson plans).

- Download cap or ratio mechanism:
A ratio mechanism that determines how much you can download based on what you contribute would be bad in terms of the quality of lesson plans that appear on the lesson plans board.  Which is one of the reasons we don't have the 5 posts requirement as lesson plans.

- Donation Box (ChipIn)
This donation box is separate from the "Subscription Service".  You can donate what you want, when you want, or invite others to do the same.  We've recently had to rely on it for base monthly costs.  The Donate box will not update your status as it's not linked to accounts, but the subscription link will.  They are two different methods of contributing.  The donation box is simply there if you wish to donate.  The subscription link is to make downloads available to you if you have less than a 5 posts count.

- Google adsense
Although some people may think it doesn't make much of a difference, it actually can help a bit depending on how interesting the ads are to the users, and so far is (well, almost) making up for the lack in the donations area.

- Korean Bank Account:   
I don't think we will implement this, and I feel bad that many users do want to contribute but can't due to difficulties with paypal, but I would highly recommend visiting our sponsors from time to time, as it will make a difference overall.

- Yearly Subscription Service
Available for people who just want to be able to download freely at any point.  It's 10$, so that amounts to .83 cents per Month.

The totality of these measures should help alleviate two key things:
- Rising hosting/maintenance costs, and future upgrades (which affect the overall monthly hosting fees).
- Keeping people with malevolent intentions at bay (for lack of a better way of putting it).  Although 5 posts is hardly much of a requirement, it does help separate those who really want to use and contribute to waygook, from those who just leech.  Unfortunately, as much it bothers me, people will take advantage of a situation if they can.  I think 5 posts seems fair.  I also think that once users start making posts, they'll probably warm up enough to the site to contribute more in terms of lesson plans or ideas.  The 5 post requirement however, is just a post requirement, doesn't need to be lesson plans (I had to repeat it, it's been asked so many times).

There's also monitoring software running in the background to check everything is well, and who's downloading how much, etc...  Just in case.

Essentially two options for being able to access lesson plans at this point:
- Make 5 posts with relevant content (empty "+1" type of threads will cause a ban).  Does not need to be a lesson plans, but if you have anything of interest please feel free to share.  It's really simple and easy.
- Use the subscribe link to subscribe for a year.  This isn't payment for what other's have posted, those always ultimately belong to the users.  It's simply to contribute in some form to waygook, while helping cover bandwidth costs which is what really makes it all available in the first place.  If you have more than 5 posts, it's obviously optional, just like the donations.

SUBSCRIPTION LINK HERE ALSO
« Last Edit: April 11, 2011, 09:34:30 pm by Arsalan »
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Offline mansu

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2011, 01:54:15 pm »
i would like to post my lesson ppt rather than paying fee.
but i do not know how to post where
please let me know asap
thanks

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2011, 01:58:33 pm »
Hi,
I'm not sure what I need o post and where I can post. Please let me know a.s.a.s.
I'm a new teacher and I want to use the resources from this websit. Thank you very much.
Stella Lee

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2011, 02:01:21 pm »
Post any kind of lesson plans or materials, comments or questions that you would like.  If lesson plans or materials, give a description of what it is and how to use them if it's more complicated.  Once you've written your message, under the message box there is +Additional Options... That is where you can add files. Choose a file from your computer location and press attach.  If you want to add more than one file, click (more attachments). Piece of cake.  Thanks for your contributions~!
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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2011, 02:14:01 pm »
Hi Stella, and Mansu.  Your posts can be anything that has some sort of relevant content.  Doesn't have to be lesson plans.  Can something as simple as a "nice lesson plan, thanks." or "Hey everyone, my name is Jim and I love Computer Science, currently teaching EFL in YeongGwang middle school..." etc.

Would be great people shared lesson plans too, it's just a matter of posting them in the lesson plan board, and clicking on the "additional options" link right under the area you type your text for your post, to see the extra options for adding attachments. :)
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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2011, 02:18:25 pm »
Arsalan, thanks for checking the matter for me so quickly. :)  Sorry for the unneeded PM.  It's amazing how much the site is growing.  I think 10 new people joined just in the time I was away on my lunch break here at school.  I wonder if Waygook was featured in some publication?

...Actually, wasn't it in the news a week or two ago, with a poster who was quoted anonymously...?

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2011, 02:23:40 pm »
Hello,
  First and foremost thank you guys for your service here at waygook.  You do not only cater to the people that want to post info but also to those that want to make a minimal yearly subscription.  It really is amazing how large of an upsurge you had.  Keep up the good work.
~Steven

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2011, 02:28:31 pm »
Would love to throw you some money. In my first month of teaching I've certainly used your site often enough, but I don't have a pay pal account and I don't have a credit card, just a Korean bank card.

Is it possible to do a bank transfer directly?

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2011, 02:28:59 pm »
I honestly don't mind doing both. I'll try to donate asap. You guys have made a great site that makes a lot of people's lives much easier so they can leave work at work and not ever bring it home.

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2011, 02:32:20 pm »
Hi T
The payment obtion are either master or visa. I dont have both. I have a maestro card and I tried to do the payment online, but I could not.

Please advise what to do?

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2011, 02:33:27 pm »
Swwet, thanks for the update. I was wondering what all the fuss was about.

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2011, 02:35:08 pm »
I'v paid the money and posted a few PPT's but still unable to see/download attachments? 

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2011, 02:35:51 pm »
One good thing about this will be more accurate user stats. Former lurkers must now reveal themselves in the light and actually create an account and use it.

As an active member before the change, I see no problem with it. I am worried about such a huge increase in downloading and in such a short amount of time though. Could it have been through the Korea Herald's article? The one that used a quote from one of our users?
Before you create a thread, remember waygook.org has a search engine! Please help keep the redundancy down. Do a little research of your own before making a thread in case the information is already available.

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2011, 02:37:41 pm »
My co-teacher told me the site was mentioned at a Korean teachers seminar she attended recently and she has started to use it and really appreciates it so maybe word is spreading amongst our hosts.

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2011, 02:39:40 pm »
Posting this here also, as it seems to be booming with moderators ;)

Meh.  The problem is though... I don't own a credit card to donate with or I would have! (I'm assuming it's via something like paypal?)
Fair enough, I didn't post much about lessons last year, but I didn't have to do ANY lesson planning except for a few afterschools a week.  I was a tape-recorder for a year.  However, since I've started working at a different school, I post whatever I can, because I think something I post might give someone else an even better idea and then (I hope) they will then post their lessons also.  So if waygook turns into a "pay to download" site, I'm screwed.

Any chance of waygook getting a Korean bank account or something for donating?

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2011, 02:40:15 pm »
Sounds reasonable, I will pay $10 for Waygook's awesome services.

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2011, 02:45:03 pm »
I'v paid the money and posted a few PPT's but still unable to see/download attachments?

I'm not sure the payment is automatically connected to your account right now, since it was just implemented. Make sure you have 6 or more posts to be able to download. Sorry fot he delay and thank you so much for your contribution!

As time goes by, all these small things will be hashed out to make waygook the best site possible with high functionality for all users.

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2011, 02:46:21 pm »
As others have said, I don't mind the small fee (small ask for a great site), its more of a logistical problem as i also only have a Korean banking card which won't work with paypal. Until everything is clear about options for payment I think it would be a bit unfair to set these restictions.

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2011, 02:50:10 pm »
I'm not against paying, but instead of a posting minimum, couldn't there just be a download limit.  Maybe it can increase for more active poster/contributers and be unlimited for paid subscribers?  I'm sure a lot of people are just downloading everything interesting and not using most of it.

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Re: Major Changes to Waygook Downloads
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2011, 02:52:42 pm »
I don't mind the change, as I was wondering how you benefitted from a site like this anyway.  But I too am a little bit confused about the amount of posts.  Is it 5 posts/per download of 5 total?