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Offline adelle56

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Unmanageable high school classes
« on: March 25, 2016, 06:37:08 PM »
Not sure if this is the right place for this post, but I need lesson help for classes that wont do my activity to save their life.

I have one grade 2 high school class and one grade 1 high school class that are out of control.

Most of the students in these classes seem to be lower level than most elementary students I've had, and they don't listen to me or my co-teacher. When I try to disciple them my co-teacher doesn't back me up. and when she tries, they, at best, listen to her for to seconds then go back to what they were doing (today though they just flat out ignored her).

I've done Go Fish, and they started playing different card games the moment I turned to work with another group.

I did a bomb game, which they did ok at, but I don't what to bomb game my way through the whole semester. (I don't think they would like it either)

Today, when it was clear that they were not going to do today's activity (an information gap worksheet), my co-teacher suggested we just start the video (which she wanted me to show them at the end of each class) I wouldn't have shown them a video at all, let alone for 20 minutes, so I had them "cheat" on the worksheet so they at least did SOMETHING before the video, instead of just rewarding their bad behavior.

If I ask them questions, only three students answer. If I have them talk to each other, it turns into Korean. And when I try to be firm I lose them and get no backing from my co-t.

WHAT DO I DO?!?! Even for a 20-30 minute lesson like my co-t seems to want?

(P.S.  What happened to the discipline I see in all my middle schools? Why are teachers letting anything slide even in my better behaved classes?!)

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Re: Unmanageable high school classes
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2016, 09:38:04 PM »
Every school is different - and every class is different.

I had some classes in middle school which were horrible - I also had same horrible classes in high school - but there were also some excellent classes at all levels.  I would say that students' discipline is most consistent at the elementary schools and after that it's a bit closer to a lottery. 

By the way, have you tried sleeping elephants?  It requires students to be quiet - and also work in groups after they 'wake up' - I've never tried it at the high school level (didn't know this game back then), but I imagine it should work quite well.

How big is your class anyways?

One game which always worked in high school - even in the horrible classes - 'guess the celebrity'.  It consisted of me picking a card with celebrity's picture.  Students had to ask questions 'is it a woman/man; is he/she American/Korean/Chinese; is he/she a singer/actor/etc; is he/she beautiful/tall/etc....

After I'd play this game with the whole class, I'd give same cards to students in groups - and they'd do the same thing amongst each other.  But yeah - that's just one game.

You need to find an activity for every English skill.  For example, sleeping elephants/find a mistake/ for reading/writing (you need to give white board/marker to each group for these).  Elimination game for reading (get the template with sounds - but this activity doesn't always work).  Charades for speaking/reading (I've recently uploaded a template for that - it's very good - works in groups).  For listening - try snatch game or cowboy game - they are really good.

There is no doubt that for teaching numbers, there is nothing better than the nintendo DS 'brain academy' it has 2 great activities - one is count the boxes (it's harder than it sounds and is great for students who cannot read) and calculate the answer (the questions are written in English 'one plus one is', seven times seven is' etc) (btw - when it comes to the DS brain academy, they have one minute to come up with as many answers as they can).  BTW - I've already written about this nintendo DS bit here - and how to get it working on computer a while back.

Also try to engage their interests - get them to review their favorite movie/game/book.  I've also done a bit on music - showed them videos of different music genres (rap/hip hop/rock/classical/etc) and got them to talk about their favorite singers and describe their music style. 

Have you tried K-pop quiz?  There were bunch of k-pop quizes here - and they featured tons of k-pop video bits - although I think k-pop quiz is a waste of time in terms of educational value, it does get students' attention. 

Otherwise,you can also use horror themes, because students do like those.  When teaching directions, I'd use scary maze.  At first students didn't know what it was, and the initial reaction was good.
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Re: Unmanageable high school classes
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2016, 12:53:21 PM »
It's high school and these kids seem like they don't have much of an academic future. You have several options

1) Plow through the standard curriculum and if they don't do it, who cares? You did your job and presented the material. Focus on the 3 kids that care and ignore the rest. Just make sure they keep their books out, don't get too loud, and don't do anything that would get you fired.

2) If you're going to go down, go down swinging. Pull out all the stops discipline wise and try to get control of the class somehow. Start whacking kids and whatnot. You'll probably get fired, but at least you tried.

3) Switch the topics. Throw away the curriculum and just teach stuff that they'd actually enjoy. Things like crime and drinking, throw on the latest Top 40 music and movies. Put on some good TV shows filled with violence. Talk about sports or show worldstarhiphop vids. Talk about whatever is viral. You might get fired or you might not. Your co-teacher will probably be upset but at least you tried something.

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Re: Unmanageable high school classes
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2016, 11:27:28 AM »
Games is probably the way that I would go.

Maybe do something with music videos. Have the lyrics on a PPT, and the students need to fill in the blank.

A "What happens next?" quiz.

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Re: Unmanageable high school classes
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2016, 11:29:51 AM »
A couple of ideas:

~ With my middle school students, I keep a warning box in a corner of the blackboard. If they get less than 5 warnings, I give them 5-6 minutes of free time at the end. I don't allow them to get out of their chairs though. If they get more than 5 warnings, they have to stay an extra five minutes into their break time. This has worked well for me at two different schools. They get on each other's cases if someone's threatening that precious free time.

~ Make sure the school allows you to have a share in the grading. My schools have let me do end of the semester speaking tests that at my current school account for 20% of their overall test grade. Of course, it has no affect on about 10-15% of the kids. For a lot of kids in the middle who are wavering on whether to try or not though it does give them a lot of motivation.

~ I don't know how bad your kids are. There's a big line for me between the disrespect that challenges your authority and laziness. It seems like most middle and high schools have a system for discipline now. It's called the 별점 system. You can try that if you haven't already.

~There is a thinking sometimes in the schools here to sweep problems under the rug and hope that they'll magically go away. The co-teacher doesn't want the principal to know he/she can't control the class and says nothing. Other times they do have the guts to try to talk with the principal, but the principal might not know what to do and will be to afraid of appearances to call the 교육청 and ask for guidance.

I had a case of this and I don't blame my co-teacher. When a class gets really out of control and the kids know that the repercussions will be just getting scolded (this was at an elementary school), things get out of control. We took it up with the principal and he said to just keep a log in detail of what was happening. 3 months later the problem was escalating and he was doing nothing.

I called the 교육청 to ask for permission not to teach the class. I outlined for them everything that had happened and how my school had done nothing to help. The _____ hits the fan when the 교육청 calls the school! Teachers called parents. I had parents calling me to apologize for their kid's behaviors and things got decently better.

~In the end, if you want to take pride in what you do and the chain-of-command at the school is just cashing in their paychecks and/or incompetent, hold them accountable.


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Re: Unmanageable high school classes
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2016, 11:49:22 AM »
http://lyricstraining.com/

Great website for getting the kids to do 'fill in the blanks' to English songs.

I split the kids into teams of 4, each team has a whiteboard / marker / eraser. Play each line twice, then get them to show their answers. I've not used it many times, but each time I have it has worked well.

If you do use it, be sure to check that the lyrics are school friendly before doing so.
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Re: Unmanageable high school classes
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2016, 02:47:23 PM »
If you can, get your class to count toward their grade beyond just the speaking test. Some CT's will like this because it takes some burden off of them.  When I did this, the difference in behavior and participation was like night and day. 

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Re: Unmanageable high school classes
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2016, 03:14:24 PM »
My students had a great time playing the speed quiz game last week (it's basically hot seat, but the students are familiar with the name speed quiz). There are a number of versions here on waygook, for example: http://www.waygook.org/index.php?topic=58356.0
However, you can easily make your own using pictures and whatever words or expressions you want the students to use.

I split the class into 3 teams (~6 people each) and gave them 1-2 minutes per turn depending on whether they were doing speaking only, actions only, or both (I made each round of turns different). I also had them change the player in the 'hot seat' after each correct answer. All of the students, from high level to low level, really enjoyed it, especially during the action only round because it completely leveled the playing field and was also hilarious to watch!

I've also had success with my lower classes using the K-pop twist game, k-pop slam (lyrics) game, and the guess the celebrity game that someone else mentioned earlier (I demo one or two with the whole class, and then tape a celebrity name on each student's back for them to try playing - some class favourites were Park Geun Hye, Hello Kitty, Pororo, and cast members from Infinity Challenge and Running Man).

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Re: Unmanageable high school classes
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2016, 05:47:56 PM »
Thanks for all the ideas guys. I will try a few of these.

Someone asked the size of my classes: I think around 15... minus any sleepers.


It was also mentioned that it depends on the class. ABSOLUTELY! These are just two out of the 9 classes I have at that school. And my other high school is great, too!  8)  Which is maybe why I'm strugling so much with these two classes  :-[
« Last Edit: March 28, 2016, 05:50:29 PM by adelle56 »

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Re: Unmanageable high school classes
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2016, 10:58:01 AM »
The comment about your class having a contribution to their final grade is good. In my high school class I get the students to do a project towards their final grade. They have about 10 options to choose from so can always find something that they find interesting. You can make the ideas practical and interesting, like cooking in English or singing an English song. Students can work on their project every other or every third week and present it at the end of their semester.

Produce a detailed plan with the benefits for your co-teacher to see. In my school the work is presented around school so looks good on the English department.

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Re: Unmanageable high school classes
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2016, 11:17:22 AM »
If you can, get your class to count toward their grade beyond just the speaking test. Some CT's will like this because it takes some burden off of them.  When I did this, the difference in behavior and participation was like night and day.
Just to add to this, I don't know what kind of high school you're in, but if it's an academic HS then they will be 150% focused on the Korea SAT. And if you're class doesn't count for anything, they will have zero incentive to participate. Also, see if you can write some of the exam questions and draw on material you've taught in class and make sure you tell the students, "This WILL be on the test." 

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Re: Unmanageable high school classes
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2016, 05:07:27 PM »
I used to work in one of the worst high schools in Korea. When students dropped out and come back they came there. When other schools kicked them out, they came there. If a teacher was caught with a DUI the punishment was they had to go teach there!  I spend a year there and the suggestion of move the two or 3 that care up front and ingore the rest is what I did. In the classes where no on cared, I tutored my co teacher and let them have at it. Eventually the students  started downloading English movies and bringing them to class. It was a great gig!  I miss it.

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Re: Unmanageable high school classes
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2016, 02:31:46 AM »
I've had this problem with at least one class a year since starting High School six years ago. In many ways it's an impossible situation, particularly when your co-teacher tells you as much, and it is clear there is no intention among the group for study.
You're not going to turn the class around fully, but a few ideas which work for me (to an extent).
Keep activities short, simple, and dangle a carrot. I'll prepare something simple, like a cloze maybe, explain that it will take 2minutes, and when that's done we can watch a youtube music video.
I alternate between music videos of my choosing and theirs. This has worked quite well and I've managed to introduce them to a wide variety of music (good stuff, obviously) and been a bit surprised by what they're into. A lot of my lower levels have gotten into this, they know we won't get a music vid until most everybody's done the exercise, and if it's simple they all can. On a good day we'll watch 3 music videos and have 15-20 minutes of somewhat study - it's a win as far as I'm concerned
Remember names. Ive found it much more useful to know the names of these lower level students than the higher ones. It's amazing how much better S's respond if you're shouting "Hey, Minseong!" rather than "Hey you". Draw a desk/name map and explain why they cant move desks, because you want to learn their names. They'll appreciate that, mostly.

Basically, these classes are tough and there's no easy solution, but these couple of things work for me to at least get something happening.

 

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