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singletrackmind

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I've basically been screwed out of this every year.  They always tell me to take it during the winter vacation but 3-4 week winter camps make it impossible.  So much for that 4-5 weeks of vacation. :(

I'm astounded! You must learn to say "No".

'Listen' and repeat -
"No, I can't do the camp. I'll be on holidays."
again -
"No, I can't do the camp. I'll be on holidays."
ThulsaDoom probably has that quality called 'work ethic'.  The whole doing the job you were hired to do and using vacation during the times stipulated in the contract. 
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I've basically been screwed out of this every year.  They always tell me to take it during the winter vacation but 3-4 week winter camps make it impossible.  So much for that 4-5 weeks of vacation. :(

I'm astounded! You must learn to say "No".

'Listen' and repeat -
"No, I can't do the camp. I'll be on holidays."
again -
"No, I can't do the camp. I'll be on holidays."
ThulsaDoom probably has that quality called 'work ethic'.  The whole doing the job you were hired to do and using vacation during the times stipulated in the contract.

There is no stipulation in the contract for when vacation can be taken. But it makes sense that the school would expect you to take it when there are no regular classes on. It also makes sense for the employee to be given reasonable time to take the vacation they were promised.

In my experience, I just tell my CT when I want to take my vacation and we work together to set a time for camp when it is convenient. I've rarely had to compromise.
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ThulsaDoom probably has that quality called 'being a doormat and or lackey'.  The whole giving up your free time for the job you were asked to do and using vacation if the school deemed you worthy.

Fixed it for you  :D
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Wait, so am I reading stuff right? If we renew our contracts, we get the two weeks AND the eight or ten days of summer and winter vacation? So...8 days (summer) plus 10 days (winter) plus 10 days (two weeks renewal bonus)? For some reason, I always assumed that the two weeks meant that our 10 work days would be taken near the end of February. I guess I assumed it was that way so I wouldn't get my hopes up, but the idea of having 4 weeks off between January and February is exciting!
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I've basically been screwed out of this every year.  They always tell me to take it during the winter vacation but 3-4 week winter camps make it impossible.  So much for that 4-5 weeks of vacation. :(

Best of luck, op.

bummer about that. The easy remedy is to remind them you have the vacation coming and some sort of political contract mumbo jumbo refusal.
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I still have 7 vacation days plus my 2 week extra vacation for resigning so they are letting me take 3 weeks off in August right before the new school semester.
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Wow, some people really need to learn how to stick up for themselves! If you do them a favor by renewing your contract (which saves them a shed load of cash and time) you tell them when you will be taking your vacation. SMOE, EPIK, GEPIK or whoever are NOT doing us a favor by letting us be here!!!
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Wow, some people really need to learn how to stick up for themselves! If you do them a favor by renewing your contract (which saves them a shed load of cash and time) you tell them when you will be taking your vacation. SMOE, EPIK, GEPIK or whoever are NOT doing us a favor by letting us be here!!!

How full of yourself are you? They're not doing us a favor for giving us a job. You're also not doing them a favor by taking their job. It's a mutually beneficial relationship.

You don't tell your boss when you're taking your vacation. That said, don't let them take what they already promised you. If the vacation is 4 weeks long, then take the entire vacation and they can schedule whatever camps they want to. If it's 5 weeks and they want to smack a week in the middle of your vacation well, sucks to be you but there's nothing really wrong with that (they're just huge pricks).

Basically, do your job and take what you're owed but don't forget your place.
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Wow, some people really need to learn how to stick up for themselves! If you do them a favor by renewing your contract (which saves them a shed load of cash and time) you tell them when you will be taking your vacation. SMOE, EPIK, GEPIK or whoever are NOT doing us a favor by letting us be here!!!

How full of yourself are you? They're not doing us a favor for giving us a job. You're also not doing them a favor by taking their job. It's a mutually beneficial relationship.

You don't tell your boss when you're taking your vacation. That said, don't let them take what they already promised you. If the vacation is 4 weeks long, then take the entire vacation and they can schedule whatever camps they want to. If it's 5 weeks and they want to smack a week in the middle of your vacation well, sucks to be you but there's nothing really wrong with that (they're just huge pricks).

Basically, do your job and take what you're owed but don't forget your place.



1) I think you need to learn to read properly. I never said we were doing them a favor initially being here, I said THEY are NOT doing US a favor so don't treat the situation as if they are.
2) We ARE doing them a favor by renewing. Do you have any idea how much it costs them to fly a new person out here and put them through orientation?
3) But don't forget our place? Where exactly is our place?
4) By renewing we are agreeing another business transaction for another year. They want you to stay as it saves them a shed load of cash, otherwise why do you think they renew the contracts of the people who do shit jobs? Go on think about it for a second. Therefore it doesn't take a business degree to figure that if you want the holiday at a certain time you get that agreed upon in your renewal contract.
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To the OP,

I was told the same deal when i renewed in November last year, so i took the 2 weeks with the 2 weeks for winter vacay and went home for a month which was sweet. Anyway here's what the new EPIK contract states:

In the case of renewal of this Contract pursuant to the foregoing clause ①, the Employee shall be
given two (2) calendar weeks paid leave which shall take place during the nearest school vacation
to the first day of the renewal contract with the condition of the days not conflicting with the
school schedule. This two-week leave will be counted as part of the contract term, and,
accordingly, salary will be paid as normal for these two weeks. The period of this renewal
vacation may be negotiated with the school to be held in the next school vacation which is within
six months from the first day of the contract if necessary.[/i]

I got this directly off the EPIK website, my new contract also states the same. My original 1st year contract was different and said that the holiday should be taken as the last 2 weeks of my contract.

Hope that helps a bit!


This is exactly what my contract states, article 10-2
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Wait, so am I reading stuff right? If we renew our contracts, we get the two weeks AND the eight or ten days of summer and winter vacation? So...8 days (summer) plus 10 days (winter) plus 10 days (two weeks renewal bonus)? For some reason, I always assumed that the two weeks meant that our 10 work days would be taken near the end of February. I guess I assumed it was that way so I wouldn't get my hopes up, but the idea of having 4 weeks off between January and February is exciting!

If you renew its actually 10 working days (EPIK anyway).  So if a Public holiday comes up within your holiday then it's not included in your 10 working days.  It also pays to really check your renewal monies.  I went over mine thoroughly with my co-teacher,  both of us were surprised at how much I would be getting (although I had gone through everything before hand,  I just wasn't expecting that much).  She checked with the POE and we had done out math correctly.  Two other NET's I know  got less renewal money and didn't do anything about it.  You do really have to stick up for your rights at times. 
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Wait, so am I reading stuff right? If we renew our contracts, we get the two weeks AND the eight or ten days of summer and winter vacation? So...8 days (summer) plus 10 days (winter) plus 10 days (two weeks renewal bonus)? For some reason, I always assumed that the two weeks meant that our 10 work days would be taken near the end of February. I guess I assumed it was that way so I wouldn't get my hopes up, but the idea of having 4 weeks off between January and February is exciting!

If you renew its actually 10 working days (EPIK anyway).  So if a Public holiday comes up within your holiday then it's not included in your 10 working days.  It also pays to really check your renewal monies.  I went over mine thoroughly with my co-teacher,  both of us were surprised at how much I would be getting (although I had gone through everything before hand,  I just wasn't expecting that much).  She checked with the POE and we had done out math correctly.  Two other NET's I know  got less renewal money and didn't do anything about it.  You do really have to stick up for your rights at times. 

Let me get this straight. My contract is up in February. I could take two weeks off in the January break and two more in February. And if, for example, February 21 is a holiday, then I would actually get two weeks plus one day?

And...what's this about renewal monies. I'm glad you mentioned that it's possible to get more than expected so that I know to make sure I get everything, but what does that include? I'm looking at the contract and all I see is this thing about the renewal bonus, the 2 million won. Is there something I'm missing?
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Wait, so am I reading stuff right? If we renew our contracts, we get the two weeks AND the eight or ten days of summer and winter vacation? So...8 days (summer) plus 10 days (winter) plus 10 days (two weeks renewal bonus)? For some reason, I always assumed that the two weeks meant that our 10 work days would be taken near the end of February. I guess I assumed it was that way so I wouldn't get my hopes up, but the idea of having 4 weeks off between January and February is exciting!

If you renew its actually 10 working days (EPIK anyway).  So if a Public holiday comes up within your holiday then it's not included in your 10 working days.  It also pays to really check your renewal monies.  I went over mine thoroughly with my co-teacher,  both of us were surprised at how much I would be getting (although I had gone through everything before hand,  I just wasn't expecting that much).  She checked with the POE and we had done out math correctly.  Two other NET's I know  got less renewal money and didn't do anything about it.  You do really have to stick up for your rights at times. 

Let me get this straight. My contract is up in February. I could take two weeks off in the January break and two more in February. And if, for example, February 21 is a holiday, then I would actually get two weeks plus one day?

And...what's this about renewal monies. I'm glad you mentioned that it's possible to get more than expected so that I know to make sure I get everything, but what does that include? I'm looking at the contract and all I see is this thing about the renewal bonus, the 2 million won. Is there something I'm missing?

yes, you also get your severance of 2mil+, but not until you actually leave your job. So if you stayed for 3 years you would get 6mil+ in a lump sum when you leave.
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Wow, some people really need to learn how to stick up for themselves! If you do them a favor by renewing your contract (which saves them a shed load of cash and time) you tell them when you will be taking your vacation. SMOE, EPIK, GEPIK or whoever are NOT doing us a favor by letting us be here!!!

How full of yourself are you? They're not doing us a favor for giving us a job. You're also not doing them a favor by taking their job. It's a mutually beneficial relationship.

You don't tell your boss when you're taking your vacation. That said, don't let them take what they already promised you. If the vacation is 4 weeks long, then take the entire vacation and they can schedule whatever camps they want to. If it's 5 weeks and they want to smack a week in the middle of your vacation well, sucks to be you but there's nothing really wrong with that (they're just huge pricks).

Basically, do your job and take what you're owed but don't forget your place.



1) I think you need to learn to read properly. I never said we were doing them a favor initially being here, I said THEY are NOT doing US a favor so don't treat the situation as if they are.
2) We ARE doing them a favor by renewing. Do you have any idea how much it costs them to fly a new person out here and put them through orientation?
3) But don't forget our place? Where exactly is our place?
4) By renewing we are agreeing another business transaction for another year. They want you to stay as it saves them a shed load of cash, otherwise why do you think they renew the contracts of the people who do shit jobs? Go on think about it for a second. Therefore it doesn't take a business degree to figure that if you want the holiday at a certain time you get that agreed upon in your renewal contract.

1) looks like he read it just fine
2) not a dime, that money comes from the Government, your school doesnt give a damn about that, and the government couldnt care les if you stay or go. Also its not as great a deal as you say lets not forget that as a bonus for signing agin they must pay for a return ticket for you to go home and back ( or give you 2 million won for SMOE) where is this "savings" you are talking about
3) Our place - EMPLOYEE. They tell us what to do. NOw they still owe you things as per the contract and if they dont give it to you before you finish you have concern and a valid argument  but saying " no I am damn well taking my two weeks now" when the school years starts and they can't give you the full two weeks in valid and their place to make that call, not you
4) They don't renew the contracts of people that so shit jobs. Ive known a number of teachers who have gotten pink slips and not invited back. There is no "savings" in it though, its more convenient yes, but "savings" no They save the 300 k for resettlement and thats it ( 100k of which is oftset by your pay raise)
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Seriously guys, I'm not feeling the love between us waygooks on this thread (and many others) right now. There seems to be a lot of pent-up anger, aggression and self righteousness. Jeez. Chill out.

MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR.
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Jeff Winston and noky are on my team. NMONK gets picked last.
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Wow, some people really need to learn how to stick up for themselves! If you do them a favor by renewing your contract (which saves them a shed load of cash and time) you tell them when you will be taking your vacation. SMOE, EPIK, GEPIK or whoever are NOT doing us a favor by letting us be here!!!

How full of yourself are you? They're not doing us a favor for giving us a job. You're also not doing them a favor by taking their job. It's a mutually beneficial relationship.

You don't tell your boss when you're taking your vacation. That said, don't let them take what they already promised you. If the vacation is 4 weeks long, then take the entire vacation and they can schedule whatever camps they want to. If it's 5 weeks and they want to smack a week in the middle of your vacation well, sucks to be you but there's nothing really wrong with that (they're just huge pricks).

Basically, do your job and take what you're owed but don't forget your place.



1) I think you need to learn to read properly. I never said we were doing them a favor initially being here, I said THEY are NOT doing US a favor so don't treat the situation as if they are.
2) We ARE doing them a favor by renewing. Do you have any idea how much it costs them to fly a new person out here and put them through orientation?
3) But don't forget our place? Where exactly is our place?
4) By renewing we are agreeing another business transaction for another year. They want you to stay as it saves them a shed load of cash, otherwise why do you think they renew the contracts of the people who do shit jobs? Go on think about it for a second. Therefore it doesn't take a business degree to figure that if you want the holiday at a certain time you get that agreed upon in your renewal contract.

1) looks like he read it just fine
2) not a dime, that money comes from the Government, your school doesnt give a damn about that, and the government couldnt care les if you stay or go. Also its not as great a deal as you say lets not forget that as a bonus for signing agin they must pay for a return ticket for you to go home and back ( or give you 2 million won for SMOE) where is this "savings" you are talking about
3) Our place - EMPLOYEE. They tell us what to do. NOw they still owe you things as per the contract and if they dont give it to you before you finish you have concern and a valid argument  but saying " no I am damn well taking my two weeks now" when the school years starts and they can't give you the full two weeks in valid and their place to make that call, not you
4) They don't renew the contracts of people that so shit jobs. Ive known a number of teachers who have gotten pink slips and not invited back. There is no "savings" in it though, its more convenient yes, but "savings" no They save the 300 k for resettlement and thats it ( 100k of which is oftset by your pay raise)

1) Maybe I should send you both some reading comprehension exercises? Let me know.
2) Yes the money comes from the government, but SMOE or GEPIK or whoever have a budget. They have to stay within that budget. Now lets do the maths.

a) Teacher stays. 2million won resigning bonus and 2 weeks more vacation when they would only be doing camps. Thats it.
b) Teacher leaves. 2.6million for flights over a year. EPIK orientation costs the Education Board 1.5mil per person. Settlement allowance 300k.

b-a = 4400000 - 2000000 = 2400000won for each teacher that decides to leave. That doesnt even take into account the time it takes for your coteacher to help you settle in. How many NET's do you think there are in SMOE alone. You can do the final maths there mate. This is all money that can be used else where within the education system.

3) No one has mentioned taking the vacation during term time, don't be ridiculous, grow up and stop making pointless arguments. However it is reasonable for them to give us the agreed two weeks vacation at the same time as our other vacation. Our place is as respected teachers. Well at least mine is, yours might not be. As a respected hard working teacher I expect to be able to have my vacation at a reasonable time. Also, at the time of agreeing the renewal they are not our employers for the next contract. You are agreeing terms to allow them to be you employer, do you understand this? As mentioned earlier you are making a deal to stay that saves them a lot of money. Use your head and negotiate getting this at a reasonable time. Or don't and don't complain about it. Either way I couldn't give a shit, I know when I'm getting mine.

4) I have never known anyone who has not had their contract renewed, you have, fair enough. The pay rise is because we have 1 more year experience. If they were to get someone new with the same experience they would pay them the same, so this is not a saving, it is an investment in a more experienced teacher.
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Jeff Winston and noky are on my team. NMONK gets picked last.

That's fine with me, I'l try not to think about it too much while I enjoy my 1 month vacation I had the common sense to negotiate and you guys are all desk warming taking your holiday when and where your school chooses :) Happy holidays!!!
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I'm not even going to bother going through all the negative and positive points people are stating. These things are clear cut:

1. If you vacation interferes with a school camp, you can't take it if the school doesn't want you to...
2. Your work takes precedence over your desire to have a holiday...(besides this is in the contract)
3. There IS a six month window for the renewal 2 weeks vacation to be used...dont us it, lose it. I didnt take it due to the semester starting up and I needed to do a lot of work. I gave it up, no big deal.

It amazes me how people can sign a contract for a year and not know all the ups and down of it. Go to your groups home page and check out the FAQ or Download boards. There are ALWAYS postings covering this type of question. Why ask a bunch of other non-experts the same questions when its better to get work directly from the source.
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These things are clear cut:

1. If you vacation interferes with a school camp, you can't take it if the school doesn't want you to...
2. Your work takes precedence over your desire to have a holiday...(besides this is in the contract)
3. There IS a six month window for the renewal 2 weeks vacation to be used...dont us it, lose it. I didnt take it due to the semester starting up and I needed to do a lot of work. I gave it up, no big deal.
::) With people like you willing to 'donate' two weeks of work to the employer, it's no wonder public contracts get worse and worse every year.
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