Topic: Cannot control class Read 13484 times

Bingsu · « **on:** March 20, 2018, 09:26:34 am »

Oh boy.. Long post, sorry.

I was warned that the kids hadn't been taught well that English class had the same rules as every other class. I understood that from the first day, set up rules and reward systems and didn't let things slide.

It's day 4 and I have completely lost my class of 3rd graders. From the second they come in, 2-4 boys jump on the desks and scream and yell and run around and throw things. I have tried every disciplinary action I was taught and nothing works. Even the other students (we use a class reward system rather than individual) cannot get the kids to stop. I've tried, they've tried, I even called in another teacher yesterday out of desperation. He yelled at the kids, they stopped and looked sorry. As soon as he left they were back at it again.

My issue is that I have 16-17 kids at once but those few boys turn the entire class against me.

If I ignore them, like some suggest to do with bad attention seeking actions, they drag other kids into their antics and disrupt the entire class. If I don't stop them, within 5 minutes they've got half the class running around and screaming along with them.

If I take the time to stop them, which is literally every 30-45 seconds, the kids that were paying attention get bored and start doing their own thing. By the time I get the "bad" kids settled the "good" kids are just as bad. Once I get the "good" side settled, the "bad" side is at it again. Either way I lose half of them throughout the day.

I ended up losing my temper and yelled at the entire class and slammed a door to get their attention. Yelling does not work, I know this. But I almost had a breakdown after 30 minutes because I could not get them to stop. I know I shouldn't show that they're getting to me, but I am so desperate for something to work. They did listen after for about 2 or 3 minutes but then I lost them again.

I asked for help from my MT but the advice was just "Yeah, younger boys are bad." I've had their homeroom teachers talk to them after the second day about doing this stuff but it does not stick. At this point, what can I do? Just sit in front of the class and not teach them at all until they settle down? Scream and yell until my voice goes away? I have no co-teacher at all, and seeing how they didn't abide by the other teacher who came in to help me, I doubt they'd pay attention to one if I had them.

I've taken away rewards when they lost their point for the day but once it's gone they just don't care. Out of 4 days, they have 1 day toward a movie day, that's how bad it's getting.

I can't send them out of class because they don't go where they're supposed to and I know that. One kid asked for water and was gone for 10 minutes when the water fountain is next to my door. All of the other teachers have classes when I do, so I can't rely on them to be around to help constantly. I was lucky the one teacher was out yesterday at the right time.

I'm so distraught and lost on what to do, my other grades are angels. Any advice at all?

Bingsu · « **Reply #1 on:** March 20, 2018, 10:08:08 am »

Quote from: Dave Stepz on March 20, 2018, 09:55:54 am

First off sorry to hear about this problem. I think pretty much all of us have had the unruly classes to some degree and have had to come up with a good ways to fix it. But by the sounds of it, the boys have given up and it's not going to be easy to fix. My more understanding side would be to try and see them outside of the classroom, maybe during lunchtime and break time and see what they get up to. If they're into football, try playing with them. When I taught in a rural middle school I used to play football with the bad boys and it was fun and over time they became some of my best behaved students. If they're into cards or something play along, if they can see that you're a 'human' then they can slowly bring them around to way of thinking. I think sometimes teachers just sit in their classroom and don't try and see what students get on with in their downtime. Also you said it is your 4th day, that is a very short time to be teaching and it is possible before things can change for the better. This would be my long game, if you feel you have the inclination and are up for a challenge.

Why don't you have a co-teacher? Is this a regular 1st to 6th period class? If so you shouldn't be allowed teach like that. When I was in my terrible elementary class a few years back, I had a co-teacher who was hopeless and was the reason the students behaved so badly. So I can sympathise with the removing of the students. A couple of the homeroom teachers didn't use to mind getting the bad kids but a couple of them complained because I sent the students to them. It was their free time. Bit selfish really. I would also think about stopping any rewards system, it obviously isn't doing anything to fix the situation and is not a bargaining chip in this situation. You're going to have to get tough with this situation. You shouldn't really be in this situation but as most know, sometimes we have to fend for ourselves.

Sorry I should have said more. It's the start of my second week but I see my 3rd graders Mon/Wed/Fri. I teach as an after school teacher (TaLK Program) so I have 3rd-6th from 2:00-4:30pm every day. It's not like the whole school is bad and I love teaching, it's why I came here. I just have never in my life had a class like this before.

I really don't know why I have nobody to assist me, at least with my youngest kids. There's too many of them when it's just me and they don't speak much English at all. They even pretend to not know Korean when I speak it to them.

I feel bad to quit all rewards because the girls are angels and draw me pictures before class every time I see them. They participate as best they can given the situation but it's just the boys. I just think I don't have any choice in this situation and need to be tough like you said. I'm afraid to overstep in how firm I'm being with them because I definitely don't want to get fired.

Datasapien · « **Reply #2 on:** March 20, 2018, 10:34:54 am »

Not sure if these are things you do already, but some things that might help a little:

- Line Ss up outside your door before they come in. Quick 1v1 interview before they can enter the class. Don't just let them charge in whenever they want and make noise / cause mayhem from the beginning.

- Have some easy worksheets on the table ready for them as they enter, so no down time for them to muck around in. These worksheets can be 'find the items' kinda worksheets, word searches, colouring, dot-to-dots etc. Easy stuff that requires no English that they generally enjoy. Gives them something to focus on besides mucking around.

- RE: reward systems, try have two: one for the class, one for individuals. At the start of the class, each student gets points, as does the class as a whole. So the idea is that good behavior keeps points they have already earned, rather than earning points. I found this slight change of concept helped when I taught at elem.

- For individual reward systems, try have something tangible that they can feel. So rather than just a mark on the board for behaving well, give them something (a token, a fake dollar bill etc) that they then convert into points at the end of the class. Also means that punishing Ss by taking points means you are physically taking something from them, which is obviously more 'real'.

- Have the individual reward system conclude every 2 weeks or so. A monthly cashing in of prizes / end of semester thing is too far away for young kids. Also, if the badly behaved boys see the girls getting pencils / snacks (whatever prize you decide on) after a short period of good behavior, they might change their tune.

- Maybe you use it / know of it already, but I found Class Dojo worked really well when I taught rowdy 3rd/4th graders. Works well with the 'tangible' rewards I mentioned earlier. I used to give the kids laminated dollar bills (3 each) at the start of the class. During class, they could earn / lose them for good / bad behavior. At the end of the class, I'd line up the kids and do a quick 1v1 interview to recap what was covered in the lesson, then convert their dollar bills into Class Dojo points on the mobile app.

Sorry if this is stuff you do already, but hopefully one or two things might help you out. My final tip would be to try your best not to lose your cool - shouting / screaming at them might work for a while, but it'll mean you'll always have to resort to that to gain control.

Bingsu · « **Reply #3 on:** March 20, 2018, 12:41:02 pm »

I made a Class Dojo account just now, I knew of it but didn't think I would use it much. But I'll try anything at this point lol.

As for the physical rewards, money and tokens, I was advised heavily against it so I think that's one thing I may not actually use. Also I am a bit afraid of taking something away from the "bad" kids, I've seen one of them charge another kid for taking away a plush dice we have on the cabinet. I had to step between them and use myself as a physical barrier until he gave up.

I really like the worksheet idea, I'll try to do that before next class with them. They do like to draw and doodle during class so I'm hopeful that they'll enjoy it.

Thank you for the tips!

I also realized today that the teacher I grabbed in a panic to help is the Homeroom teacher of the worst student in the class. He looked today like he was going to cry, he was so disheveled and distraught and zoned out. He's like 21 and fresh out of university, I think he's way in over his head and can't control him either. It may be lack of home training/home issues that push this kid to seek attention. But if his HR teacher can't control him, he's definitely not gonna listen to me any easier lol.

Bingsu · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2018, 09:29:18 pm »

An update:

Class was better today, my biggest problem student participated for about half the class rather than not at all. We're getting there! I gave them coloring sheets as they came in so I could take attendance and get them all seated. It seemed to help more. I think my problem child may have ADD/ADHD because he seems to just zone out and that's when the trouble starts. Today he was really into the lesson though. I also rearranged the room to prevent desk walking.

But I have a question, is it normal for kids to demand and yell and try to take things out of your hands? Or is this just my class misbehaving? I had the remainder of the coloring book in my hand and one page had some stickers, and 3 kids tried to rip it out of my hands so they could have the stickers.

I was also trying to give a small candy to the winning team of the game and kids from the other team swarmed me and started prying my fingers open to steal the candy from my hand. I'm debating on stopping the candy now that they've done it, they were calm the first time the candy came out but this is insanity.

Cyanea · « **Reply #5 on:** March 21, 2018, 10:55:22 pm »

Quote from: Bingsu on March 21, 2018, 09:29:18 pm

But I have a question, is it normal for kids to demand and yell and try to take things out of your hands?

No , its not normal.

Discipline has gone out the window since they stopped corporal punishment here 8 years ago.

Since then the teachers are increasingly abused by students.

« **Reply #6 on:** March 22, 2018, 06:41:47 am »

Quote from: Cyanea on March 21, 2018, 10:55:22 pm

Quote from: Bingsu on March 21, 2018, 09:29:18 pm
But I have a question, is it normal for kids to demand and yell and try to take things out of your hands?

No , its not normal.

Discipline has gone out the window since they stopped corporal punishment here 8 years ago.

Since then the teachers are increasingly abused by students.

Please don't confuse discipline with fear of abuse.

Bingsu · « **Reply #7 on:** March 22, 2018, 10:02:59 am »

Are there any tips you have on getting them to stop?

I ended up having to hold my arms over my head while they tried to drag them back down, I kept telling them "no," "stop," "that's bad," and put the candy away with "No candy!"

It's like they're 1st graders instead of 3rd, they simply do not react to no/stop in English or Korean.

I hate taking away all rewards, because after a while I know the Class Dojo points thing is going to get boring since there's no physical incentive anymore.

Datasapien · « **Reply #8 on:** March 22, 2018, 10:59:21 am »

Any tips? Karate chop those little sh*ts! Sounds like a bladdy nightmare lol, I feel for you. I bet their parents think they are God's gift to the world.

I guess 1 tip would be to control when you hand out any prizes. I'd save them right to the end of the class, when I've got the kids lined up to leave. Any kids who earnt a sweet / prize can get it then.

I'd also try make it much harder for the kids to earn anything, so it's impossible for them to get anything from just 1/2 classes, no matter how good they are.

'X' no. of Dojo pts = 1 sweet

'X' no. of Dojo pts = they can edit their Dojo avatar.

'X' no. of Dojo pts = they get some (cheap) stationary / notebooks / stickers etc.

You can set your own milestones of course, but I'd just try to refrain from handing out sweets too much. The good students will be getting the prizes, the bad students will (hopefully) see this, and change their ways ...

When the kids are on task, maybe playing some relaxing classical music in the background will help to mellow them out a little bit?

Kyndo · « **Reply #9 on:** March 22, 2018, 11:58:30 am »

Seating arrangements can be very helpful in controlling classes.

I don't like the classic row arrangement, especially for younger children, as it means that there will always be students who I can't maintain direct line-of-sight to. Instead, I arrange the desks into a big horseshoe at the outer edge of the class. This way, all 30 kids' attention is focused on me, and I can reach any particular student in seconds. It also opens up the centre of the room for activities, and lets me wander around freely. Put the genki-est kids on the ends of the horseshoe so that they're closest to you, and can disturb the least number of others.

Nearly all my classes are awesome now, but the more rowdy ones I threaten with assigned seating. I put four stars (or Pikachus, or sharks, or whatever the kids want) on the white board, and if the class is noisy/distracted/bad, I kill one. If the class ends up with zero, the next class they'll be arranged so that they alternated by gender. They really, really hate that.

Bingsu · « **Reply #10 on:** March 22, 2018, 12:58:27 pm »

So far I have the desks arranged like this:
xx xx xx
xx xx xx
xx xx xx

Anything else and they start desk walking as soon as I look away. It's something about rows and strips that get their minds going "hey I can walk on that!"

I told them we would do Class Dojo characters later, but then they just took control of the PC while I was getting one of the kids out of the cabinets. They only changed 1 character but it made me realize I legit cannot turn my back for 1 second with them.

I think maybe 5 points can be character change, 10 points can be a candy and 15 points can be some stickers.

This class is hard but I only have them 3 times a week, my other kids make it worth it.

Chinguetti · « **Reply #11 on:** March 22, 2018, 01:48:57 pm »

I'd do what everyone is saying, especially the part about trying to interact with them outside of the classroom (getting involved in their interests, talking as well as you can, whatever), but I'd also be zeroing in on the main problem students. Even if the whole class is acting like hellspawn, it's normally only one or two students who are leading the charge. Get them in line, make examples out of them, it'll be a lot easier to take control back. If you can identify who the leaders are, you'll need to keep them isolated and separate from each other (if there's more than one of them) and close to you.

Write names on the board. For every mark a student receives, he or she will need to stay a minute after class (obviously, there's a limit on how many you can do, and you don't want to make them late to their next class, but if they hit the max and continue with their misbehavior, I'd keep them for as long as I could and then personally escort them to their next class with enough time to get them there without making them late, and then explain why I did so to their next teacher [using Papago or Google translate if necessary] -- and bam, no free time for them, lol). During the after-class penalty time, you can have them clean, write, etc. They can also get marks removed from their names if they behave and follow instructions.

If kids are trying to grab shit from out of your hands, ESPECIALLY if it's candy, that's an automatic "no candy", period. It goes into a locked drawer or whatever you have handy.

If you institute a system like Kyndo's, I'd kill all rewards with the loss of the final pikachu or whatever, and sit them down for a repetitive writing assignment. I understand not wanting to deprive good students of rewards, but the bad students know this and try to work that against you. You have to show them that you will (consistently) follow through with your threats, and try to pit the rest of the class against them. And, you can reward the good students for following the rules at the END of class (if you suspect that there are bullies who may try to steal the rewards from the good students, set aside 5 minutes at the end of class to reward the good students and have them eat the candy right there -- you can use the excuse it's so that you know they won't eat the candy in other classes or throw the trash on the ground). I'd make a big show of that. I wouldn't want to kill my reward system, either, but you'll have to pair it with a strict guideline that is both consistent and predictable. Honestly, though, I think I'd set up a reward-dollar as an instant reward instead of candy. And I would keep the dollars in personalized binders or pouches that you can have the students decorate but that would stay locked up in your class (prevents both loss and theft), and students who collect enough of these dollars can exchange them for prizes at the end of class on specific days.

Also, I'd start recording that class, then show them the video the next time I have them and ask them if I should show it to their parents (could be an empty threat in case your school is one of those types that don't like to contact parents at all, this is just for you to show the students you've got something on them, lol -- seems to scare a lot of younger students straight). Go over the rules again, make sure they all understand them AND the consequences for not following them, and get them to agree to them. You can even get them to sign a "contract" of the rules.

And learn the names of the problem students if you haven't already.

A lot of what I have suggested and might suggest in the future will depend heavily on how your school is set up and the school's environment/dynamic. You might want to discuss some or all of it with whatever coT you have first.

And also, you should really develop the scary teacher persona. Scary teacher isn't loud. Scary teacher isn't violent. But scary teacher is ominous, and there's something creepy about the way she stands right next to you and places her hand on your shoulder. Stare them down.

Bingsu · « **Reply #12 on:** March 22, 2018, 07:01:55 pm »

I think I'm going to make a seating chart since they tend to sit in the same spots all the time. I did notice when I'd snap a photo of them standing on the desk, they would panic and sit down. I assume they thought I was sending it to their teacher. I'll take clips next time and play them back like you suggested.

I think I'm going to stop the candy (it only started as a way to get them to calm down) since they're getting too terrible with it. I started doing the 3 Smiles on the board thing a few classes ago, and once all 3 are gone they lose a day toward the reward but I like the writing assignment idea.

Maybe stickers work better for them instead of candy.

One of my 5th graders told me of a stationary store a short distance from my school, so I can pick up some stuff there easily before/after classes.

I really do appreciate all the tips everyone is giving me. I knew I could have a bad class but I never thought they'd be this bad. All of my other grades are very sweet and pay attention in class so I think this is just a one off situation in this school.

I have them again tomorrow so I'll try to get it all set up smooth and see how it works next week as well.

Thank you guys so much <3

fishead · « **Reply #13 on:** March 29, 2018, 10:02:20 am »

Quote from: Bingsu on March 22, 2018, 07:01:55 pm

I think I'm going to make a seating chart since they tend to sit in the same spots all the time. I did notice when I'd snap a photo of them standing on the desk, they would panic and sit down. I assume they thought I was sending it to their teacher. I'll take clips next time and play them back like you suggested.

That's good. However next time you should do this on the first day when you are starting a new job. It's best to start hard and go soft

I think I'm going to stop the candy (it only started as a way to get them to calm down) since they're getting too terrible with it. I started doing the 3 Smiles on the board thing a few classes ago, and once all 3 are gone they lose a day toward the reward but I like the writing assignment idea.

I give out candy once a month as a reward to the Student of the Month. Otherwise I never give out candy. Giving out too much candy really supports bribe culture which is bad for students and will demotivate them down the road.

Maybe stickers work better for them instead of candy.

At some public schools they have a market day when students convert their stickers into fake money and buy stuff. This is a good idea

One of my 5th graders told me of a stationary store a short distance from my school, so I can pick up some stuff there easily before/after classes.

I really do appreciate all the tips everyone is giving me. I knew I could have a bad class but I never thought they'd be this bad. All of my other grades are very sweet and pay attention in class so I think this is just a one off situation in this school.

I have them again tomorrow so I'll try to get it all set up smooth and see how it works next week as well.

If it's a public school you need to get some other teachers at the school to get on board with your new disipline policy. You should also get the repeat offenders in trouble with their homeroom teachers and parents

Thank you guys so much <3

lifeisgood6447 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 29, 2018, 02:10:17 pm »

Quote from: Bingsu on March 22, 2018, 07:01:55 pm

I think I'm going to make a seating chart since they tend to sit in the same spots all the time. I did notice when I'd snap a photo of them standing on the desk, they would panic and sit down. I assume they thought I was sending it to their teacher. I'll take clips next time and play them back like you suggested.

I think I'm going to stop the candy (it only started as a way to get them to calm down) since they're getting too terrible with it. I started doing the 3 Smiles on the board thing a few classes ago, and once all 3 are gone they lose a day toward the reward but I like the writing assignment idea.

Maybe stickers work better for them instead of candy.

One of my 5th graders told me of a stationary store a short distance from my school, so I can pick up some stuff there easily before/after classes.

I really do appreciate all the tips everyone is giving me. I knew I could have a bad class but I never thought they'd be this bad. All of my other grades are very sweet and pay attention in class so I think this is just a one off situation in this school.

I have them again tomorrow so I'll try to get it all set up smooth and see how it works next week as well.

Thank you guys so much <3

I didn't read through everything. Is this an after school style class? Maybe try some things like visuals that are printed on paper. Maybe slowly teach them terms related to activities which you can do all together. Maybe basically an origami class with English elements and terms. I would also suggest you teach terms with prints and post them on the wall, maybe a worksheet where they match or this or that, then actually move to making something. Start small and work up. I did this once, and we made and decorated paper airplanes, made paper shirts, and different things. Also, maybe you can try to use like that song where the girl plays the cups, and have them learn the song and do the cup thing. Maybe work up to a grand finale where you record it and the teachers can play it for everyone when they are in their homeroom or something. Not sure if this stuff will work, but maybe it can get you thinking differently. Also, when I did something similar, I made the desks into kind of a U, and sat them pretty much boy/girl (or not with their buddies).

Bingsu · « **Reply #15 on:** March 30, 2018, 05:06:07 pm »

Quote from: lifeisgood6447 on March 29, 2018, 02:10:17 pm

I didn't read through everything. Is this an after school style class? Maybe try some things like visuals that are printed on paper. Maybe slowly teach them terms related to activities which you can do all together. Maybe basically an origami class with English elements and terms. I would also suggest you teach terms with prints and post them on the wall, maybe a worksheet where they match or this or that, then actually move to making something. Start small and work up. I did this once, and we made and decorated paper airplanes, made paper shirts, and different things. Also, maybe you can try to use like that song where the girl plays the cups, and have them learn the song and do the cup thing. Maybe work up to a grand finale where you record it and the teachers can play it for everyone when they are in their homeroom or something. Not sure if this stuff will work, but maybe it can get you thinking differently. Also, when I did something similar, I made the desks into kind of a U, and sat them pretty much boy/girl (or not with their buddies).

Public school after school classes. We're just now starting "Hello, my name is" and "It's nice to meet you."

Honestly I'm at the point of giving up with these kids.

Today I had two boys get into a fistfight, one boy tackled another and really hurt the poor kid's leg, and for some unknown reason one of my boys pulled out a tub of gochujang, opened it, and just....tipped it over the side. I honestly cannot make this up. I actually took a picture of them secretly with the container after I had to clean up the mess.

I ended up crying 3 times in an hour because I was so overwhelmed and frustrated and lost.

I have a HUGE issue with them having their phones out in class and it was a massive battle to get them to put them on the desk near mine, only 4/16 actually did it. Could really use that CoT instead of more worksheets since all but a few of them ended up on the floor. I can't even get them to sit down for more than 5 seconds or write their names on the top of the paper, any activity we do is a fiery nosedive into chaos.

It's only this class as well. I can politely ask my 4th-6th and even kids that aren't even mine to sit down and be silent and they'll do it in a second.

Cyanea · « **Reply #16 on:** March 31, 2018, 05:23:30 pm »

Quote from: Bingsu on March 30, 2018, 05:06:07 pm

Public school after school classes. We're just now starting "Hello, my name is" and "It's nice to meet you."

Honestly I'm at the point of giving up with these kids.

Today I had two boys get into a fistfight, one boy tackled another and really hurt the poor kid's leg, and for some unknown reason one of my boys pulled out a tub of gochujang, opened it, and just....tipped it over the side. I honestly cannot make this up. I actually took a picture of them secretly with the container after I had to clean up the mess.

I ended up crying 3 times in an hour because I was so overwhelmed and frustrated and lost.

I have a HUGE issue with them having their phones out in class and it was a massive battle to get them to put them on the desk near mine, only 4/16 actually did it. Could really use that CoT instead of more worksheets since all but a few of them ended up on the floor. I can't even get them to sit down for more than 5 seconds or write their names on the top of the paper, any activity we do is a fiery nosedive into chaos.

If I were you I'd start looking for another job or think about quitting, because the situation is basically impossible.

I was in exactly the same situation as you: public A/S gig, classes OK except for one terrible class. Things were fine for the first 3 months, then two or three boys started to escalate their bad behaviour. The CoT and the company did not help. The worst boys mother believed the lies he told her about me. The company just backed down and pandered to her because she was a customer and very vocal at the parents meeting. I thought there was light at the end of the tunnel, that things would improve if only i tried this or did that. No. Once the hard core of troublemakers realizes that you have no real power, and that even the CoT will undermine you... it is over. You cannot bring that class back. And they will spread their nonsense to other classes. You might be doing great with most students, but it only takes two or three unruly students to destroy your job, because everyone from the CoT to the principal to your company is too afraid to punish them.

Without proper discipline the kids will get more and more out of control until there is a real risk of serious accident. What if some student jumps off a desk and breaks their leg? It will suddenly be your problem. You have no voice. The CoT handles all communications with the parents and will say whatever it takes to make herself look good and keep her job. A student could throw a rock at your head and they would cover it up or contrive it to be your fault. One teacher I knew got punched in the face by one of the middle school boys. The school blamed him for "making the boy angry". There is no protection for the foreign teacher, zero. Its all chinese whispers and face-saving.

I wanted to quit (and in hindsight i should have!) but I hung on because I was over half way through the contract and I knew they would not give me a letter of release, but actually my morale was very low -these jobs are quite isolating. I was the third FT at that school in a year, the turnover was that high.

A/S jobs may look attractive because of the pay and hours, but they are the worst of the worst in the Korean ESL scene because they are based on a totally dysfunctional system. So if i were you I'd get out while you're ahead. Even Hogwons are better than A/S gigs.

Bingsu · « **Reply #17 on:** March 31, 2018, 07:07:52 pm »

I wish I could quit teaching that class only, my other kids are lovely. But I'm on a year contract and can't do anything but trudge through it and not renew with this school at the end of my term, over 9 months away. :/

It's hilarious to me now that I think about it, I was warned that the last NET didn't discipline the kids at all. Now I'm seeing it's not because he wouldn't, like they told me, but because he physically couldn't.

What's the legality behind setting up a hidden camera and recording the class to show my MT as evidence to why I need a CoT? I know Korea has some weird privacy laws, but I honestly just think recording how they act to use as proof would be covered.

Chinguetti · « **Reply #18 on:** April 02, 2018, 07:41:10 am »

Quote from: Bingsu on March 31, 2018, 07:07:52 pm

What's the legality behind setting up a hidden camera and recording the class to show my MT as evidence to why I need a CoT? I know Korea has some weird privacy laws, but I honestly just think recording how they act to use as proof would be covered.

It's legal as long as at least one person in the video is aware of the recording (i.e. you), as long as it's not posted anywhere, and as long as it's not of a private nature (aka bathroom, bedroom, hotel room, etc.).

KTs record their classes all the time. I've seen it used to prove that an "angel" wasn't really as much of an angel as his parents wanted to believe. Just make sure it's only shown to those who have business seeing it (MT, school principal/vice principal, parents -- should the school decide to bring them into it).

If you're still unsure or would like verification, I've PMed you a link to a couple of legal advice groups.

Bingsu · « **Reply #19 on:** April 06, 2018, 10:26:15 am »

I'm going to do something that's probably gonna make me really unpopular with the other teachers but should make my life easier.

I wrote up a blanket letter in Korean saying "this student is too disruptive to the class and I cannot teach, please discipline them." and I'm going to ask the troublemakers to deliver the letter to their homeroom teacher when they become too much.

It should get them out of the way long enough to get things back on track and teach the ones who do want to learn.

I did record the class, but I want to use that as the last effort and try this first.

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