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Re: Parents and Life Decisions
« Reply #60 on: October 07, 2020, 10:34:56 am »
most of us really don't enjoy the (sometimes long) d'tino-saffer spats


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Re: Parents and Life Decisions
« Reply #61 on: October 07, 2020, 10:58:20 am »
What was the "I'm surprised DM hasn't arrived to" thing then? Stop playing dumb and just admit that you want DM to come in here and say some shit so you can have some circular pages-long argument with him.

Absolute nonsense, I am just surprised he hasn't come here yet, some people have made some sweeping claims and usually he responds to that. I have made no such claims so why would I get involved with his retorts?

The fact that I said I am surprised is not bait, the posts that make the claims are though, however, so I think you have the bull by the udder.
There is no known medical cure for stupidity!


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Re: Parents and Life Decisions
« Reply #62 on: October 07, 2020, 11:22:00 am »
thread: derailed. alright saffer let me explain it in a way that you might understand better.

situation 1
people: making sweeping claims about korea
d'tino: "ACKHSHUALLY..."
everyone: "will you shut up, man?"

situation 2
people: making sweeping claims about korea
saffer: "i'm surprised d'tino hasn't arrived to defend korea (hyuck hyuck hyuck)"
everyone: "will you shut up, man?"

this thread was a situation 2 type thread


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Re: Parents and Life Decisions
« Reply #63 on: October 07, 2020, 11:32:12 am »
I normally wouldn't be annoyed but his constant lying and "whadda ya meeeean, bro? I was honestly just surprised" drives me up the wall. Like, dude, your intentions here are pretty obvious to everybody anyways, just own it.


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Re: Parents and Life Decisions
« Reply #64 on: October 07, 2020, 11:35:41 am »
I think there are still a lot of mama's boys in this country.  A few years back a female teacher at my school that I used to chat with hit the age where she clearly wanted a kid.  She found a future husband within months. She was telling me she had to move in with him and his family after they got married before they got a place of their own so that her mother in law could teach her how to take care of the husband.  The guy was in his thirties.  Pathetic.  And she was an attractive woman who was ambitious and had lived on her own for years.  Never understood why she was willing to put up with that.  I'm guessing her life raising her kids and husband involves regular unannounced drop ins from the M-I-L. 

Yeah, I'm not sure why anyone would want to pout up with that.  I sure wouldn't.  Then again I am a man.  SO, it's different I guess.  If anything, I think many Korean guys have gone from being macho dicks that some you wanted to smack to being too soft.  But they both had mama's boys aspects to them.  Well, some.  I have met a few guys that didn't seem this way and seemed alright though. 


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Re: Parents and Life Decisions
« Reply #65 on: October 07, 2020, 11:39:34 am »
It's hard to say just ignore it, but that's what you need to do. You have to do what is right for you.

I am in a similar position except my family would support anything I decide and my husband's family wants kids like now. But see my family cares that I've had two back surgeries and it might not be the best idea to have kids...plus they have grandkids through my sister.....and my husband said it was ok to not have kids but now ....well he constantly says we should have had a baby by the time we hit 9months married.....hearing that was hilarious

But besides that fact that I am not ready, not physically or mentally ready for it, my husband's family will butt in and tell me what to do and how to raise the kids ......I mean as I've stated in other threads I am not in the best relationship currently but my mother in law thinks she has the right to come stay at my house and see how I take care of the chores and cook etc...... I am an adult and no one is gonna tell me what to eat and that I need to jump up with so much excitement when my husband walks through the door.....nope not gonna happen because it's just not.....so do I want kids when I am not ready and when I know that people will nonstop tell me what to do and the husband will listen to his mother before he even considers my opinion on raising our kids.......fat chance. She even thinks that my husband wants to go work in another city because of me but he is just hating his job......can't say I'm sad about the possibility of him going

Anyway, to sum up....I am currently in a situation that makes me quite unhappy because I believe (now) that I rushed into it. My family would say things like when are you gonna get married but they were joking and just wanted me to come home....then I found someone and thought he was the perfect match...and he was before we got married....now he wants me to practically be Korean, speak Korean and never English (he is fluent in English), never have a different opinion, always do things his way, tutor his brother's kids every week for free, help his mom, never spend money (even though I pay all of the bills), deal with his hoarding, his badmouthing my country and so on......so don't rush it.....take your time. If you want kids, be mindful of keeping your health and fitness up, but don't rush into anything. It will hurt your health and happiness in the long run if you don't find a good match and have things worked out on how to raise kids and other important issues. Also, it's not only your health and happiness, but the future kids.....

Guess it's a bait and switch.  Tell them all to change their attitudes and remind them you're not Korean.  Tell them to smarten up or you're going to check out.  Try to save money and get him to pay more bills.  Saving money in case you need out.  Best of luck.  Ultimatum to divorce.


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Re: Parents and Life Decisions
« Reply #66 on: October 08, 2020, 11:20:47 am »
I feel sad for the OP. You can't predict the future but I'd place my bet on the fact the husband is not going to change.

I have a Korean friend that I made back in 2005. He's a great guy with fluent English. He lived in Chicago for several years so is at least aware of Western norms regarding relationships. But he's Korean and acts like it. Much like the OP's husband.

He has been here a couple of times on vacation and once asked my wife to set him up and she introduced him to a friend who wants a foreign husband. After 2 or 3 days she walked. He was telling her she needed to speak Korean even though they could communicate effectively in English. She had to get married to him and move to Korea. She had to meet his mother yadda yadda yadda

Then he met another girl and got engaged. She walked.

Now he's hanging with a Filipina.

OP, I'm sorry to say that it sounds untenable. Seriously consider your options. Cutting the tie and getting divorced may very well be the best solution and after the pain fades (and it will) you'll likely look back and remember as the best decision you ever made.

Good luck to you. I've traveled that road, it's painful and I am sad for your situation.


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Re: Parents and Life Decisions
« Reply #67 on: October 08, 2020, 11:23:50 am »
I feel sad for the OP. You can't predict the future but I'd place my bet on the fact the husband is not going to change.

A bit of a nitpick but for clarity's sake nightninja isn't the OP


Re: Parents and Life Decisions
« Reply #68 on: October 08, 2020, 12:06:30 pm »
I feel sad for the OP. You can't predict the future but I'd place my bet on the fact the husband is not going to change.

I have a Korean friend that I made back in 2005. He's a great guy with fluent English. He lived in Chicago for several years so is at least aware of Western norms regarding relationships. But he's Korean and acts like it. Much like the OP's husband.

He has been here a couple of times on vacation and once asked my wife to set him up and she introduced him to a friend who wants a foreign husband. After 2 or 3 days she walked. He was telling her she needed to speak Korean even though they could communicate effectively in English. She had to get married to him and move to Korea. She had to meet his mother yadda yadda yadda

Then he met another girl and got engaged. She walked.

Now he's hanging with a Filipina.

OP, I'm sorry to say that it sounds untenable. Seriously consider your options. Cutting the tie and getting divorced may very well be the best solution and after the pain fades (and it will) you'll likely look back and remember as the best decision you ever made.

Good luck to you. I've traveled that road, it's painful and I am sad for your situation.

Thanks, however, yeah I am not the OP....I added in some of my stories to illustrate from my experience how you need to do what's right for you and not rush into anything, especially if it's because of what other people say......family, friends, coworkers......marr iage and kids are not particularly no-brainer thoughts/questions....it involves being ready, finding the right person, and really thinking about what you want..........the pressure is always there spoken or unspoken but whose life is it?

therefore, I say if the OP wants to wait to start a family and come to Korea or another country, I say do it because regrets can weigh a person down, obviously depending on how big of a wish/goal this or that is....what was the quote....people usually regret the things they didn't do more? the OPs family cares and wants the best I'm sure but it is up to the individual to forge a path, make decisions, and create happiness.....


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Re: Parents and Life Decisions
« Reply #69 on: October 08, 2020, 12:24:01 pm »
Thanks for the clarification. My mistake.


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Re: Parents and Life Decisions
« Reply #70 on: October 11, 2020, 12:27:39 pm »
I am almost sorry to share this.  These girls are trashy and not what I would be attracted to.  But just some beginning part had insight on their insight on dating here from a certain viewpoint.  It popped up in my feed by accident.  The rest is trash.  Really low class.  But there is some insight into dating culture here.  It affects women more than men.  I never went through this stuff as a guy. 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSKeSNVbfAU

I will apologize for sharing something so lame, but picking out the nuggets in between is why I very reluctantly share.  (If language and rough talk offends you, don't watch.) 

I think she's one of these weird BTS loving foreign chicks too. 


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Re: Parents and Life Decisions
« Reply #71 on: October 11, 2020, 12:36:04 pm »
Reminder and don't watch any of their other videos.  I watched one and almost felt like shooting myself and feel stupider for having watched one.  But the few nuggets you can pick out from above can give some insight for women I guess.  Just ignore the skanky stuff.


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Re: Parents and Life Decisions
« Reply #72 on: October 11, 2020, 12:37:04 pm »
Now, on the other hand.  A useful foreign girl video is like this. 


www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlEwwx03HAY


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Re: Parents and Life Decisions
« Reply #73 on: October 11, 2020, 12:38:25 pm »
And I never rarely watch these kinds of videos.  I usually watch more informative stuff.  Anyways.  (I am almost hiding my head in shame sharing something so lame.)


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Re: Parents and Life Decisions
« Reply #74 on: October 11, 2020, 12:41:58 pm »
But since I am sharing,

More useful for guys?  Not trashy or sleazy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLBIEO5wdwY



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Re: Parents and Life Decisions
« Reply #75 on: October 11, 2020, 08:52:33 pm »
Maybe this video is better suited than the ones above for the women? Also insight for guys, I guess?  (Not sure why this crap is coming up in my feeds and why I have watched them.  Yick!)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3dmQAVCH_E



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Re: Parents and Life Decisions
« Reply #76 on: October 12, 2020, 12:31:45 pm »
Now, on the other hand.  A useful foreign girl video is like this. 


www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlEwwx03HAY

Yeah, I lasted a full 46 seconds before she had to go.


Re: Parents and Life Decisions
« Reply #77 on: October 12, 2020, 01:47:36 pm »
Maybe this video is better suited than the ones above for the women? Also insight for guys, I guess?  (Not sure why this crap is coming up in my feeds and why I have watched them.  Yick!)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3dmQAVCH_E



Yeah, didn't watch this whole thing through because from what little I did watch, she's not very accurate. xD She talks about the standard dating practices in Korea that people like to idealize as well as some of the cultural reasoning behind those ideals, but those rules only seem to apply when Koreans date other Koreans, and even then only when there's some accountability involved. It's not the same experience for foreign women at all, and she also doesn't talk about how a lot of Koreans try to get around these dating rules.

Her first point about Korean guys not trying to have sex with women before they're officially an item, for example. Hella not true. :laugh:  And the ones who do try to follow this rule? They'll often try to get women to agree to be their girlfriends like on the very first ****** date JUST so that they can have sex, lmao. Especially if the women are foreign (i.e. not Korean passing). Then they'll ghost them after a few days to a few weeks.

The video is a nice attempt to educate others about cultural viewpoints, but it's incredibly naive and is coming from a perspective where there's probably a lot of accountability (have some or were introduced by mutual friends, family, etc.). Maybe she goes more in depth later, but 17 minutes is just too long for me.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2020, 01:58:50 pm by Chinguetti »


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Re: Parents and Life Decisions
« Reply #78 on: October 12, 2020, 03:24:32 pm »
Interesting.  I am not sure what it is entirely like for Western women here.  When I first got here, most of them weren't attracted to Asian men at all.  Seems from what some women say here some think that they're easy?  I did read something a long time ago where foreign men went into Europe and also thought or claimed the women were "easy".  Not saying that one way or the other. 

I did run into my own racist brick walls dating Korean women.  I hated that cutesy shit.  Also hated the charm to try to get their own way then the temper tantrums, but these were some traditionally minded women (Korea was a very recently developed country and countryside always lags Seoul).  Some decent girls I met too.  But lots of obstacles. 

I did meet some regular attractive Korean women in recent years with some modest westernization where you could just talk about normal stuff.  None of this cutesy stuff and the English good enough to understand humor.  Some of these more 'traditional' Asian women didn't seem to get humor and wit.  Completely different nowadays from 10 years ago or 15 or 20 or 30.  I think racist ajossis have to shut their mouth now.  Maybe Korean women could call police on any.  Back in the day they would have done nothing and if I had of punched them in the face, the cops would have charged me instead of him. 

Glad not to have to deal with that garbage, anymore.  Almost quit Korea and stopped dating for a bit.  Couldn't stand the collective racism that use to be here and fake news Korean media running BS stories about English teachers.  It really complicated relationships back then and added a huge layer of stress.  If I don't care that western women date Korean men, then they shouldn't care if I dated Korean women.  (Though nice women of any race are always welcome.) 

Anyways, I guess it is always good for folks to be on their best behavior and know what they are getting into.  If Korean guys ghost you, that sucks.  None of my business but if true, western women shouldn't go too far with them.  But do what you will.  Looking back to my younger days a lot of men and women could probably avoid a lot of damage, especially emotional damage by using more modesty and not being so quick to jump into bed.  (Younger me would have thought it square to say so, but I've seen too many women become bitter and end up as cat ladies as a result of being too quick to give it away.)  Anyways, none of my business.  Just know what you all are getting into and then decide if it's worth it or not. 

Some relationships do work and some folks do get married and live happily ever after.  Traditionally men do lead in the marriage in some ways anyways.  Not unique to Korea and Korean men.  I think very few women like wearing the pants all the time and letting the man follow.  Long term it is a turn off to them?  I would think so no matter what modern society has you believe.  (Lead doesn't mean be an @@sh0le though.) 


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Re: Parents and Life Decisions
« Reply #79 on: October 25, 2020, 02:39:20 pm »
Hello all! Is anyone getting pressures from their parents to go ahead and start having a “family” or “children”?  Any one can answer but as a woman I would like to hear from women as well. I’m currently 32. I have been accepted to teach in S.K.  for many years but turned it down. I was accepted to come in Spring 2021. I know a lot about the biological clock but many women have healthy children in their late 30s. Yes the chance of a child having health issues increase but the last time I checked there were some women in their 20s having children who had Down syndrome, autism etc. It depends and varies. I almost had a nervous breakdown due to “I want some grand children”, your “biological clock is ticking” etc. yes I’m an only child. Of course I want everything my parents give to me to go to my children (whenever I have them). I still think I’m young/of age to pursue this opportunity for a year or two. Advice? Thoughts?

At 32, I think that it would be a good idea for you to try this out for a year or two, since you have wanted to try it, and also to not have any regrets later on in your life for missing out on the experience. However, just keep in mind that the wages for this job have not increased for the past 15 years, and the salary, while still doable, is not that great anymore. In 2007 ~ 2008, Korean bus drivers made the same wage as beginning EPIK teachers. Now, the make  approx 1,000 USD more than us, and some of the factory jobs that migrant workers from central Asia, Thailand, and the Philippines ect have started to surpass EPIK teachers as well.
This opportunity is best suited for fresh out of university 21~ year old grads who want to take a gap year(s) before going on to graduate school and save up a bit of money, travel around across asian, just go wild on weekends.
Also, this position is not exactly one of a teacher, but more of a language assistant. We are more of "edutainers" than educators. The native English teachers class is required to be "fun" and "games" with prizes like stickers and candy. With that being said, your co-teachers may be fantastic individuals who love to interact with a foreigner, or really difficult, ignorant people. Your tasks can also vary wildly from doing meaningful activities where you co-plan engaging lessons with your teachers, or just being used as a tape recorded to repeat some words here and there, while the Korean teachers take over most of the class. Outside from EPIK, things are worse, as Korea has terrible ageism, and older women in their 30's tend to start get discriminated against when it comes to job offers. 

I don't know how familiar you are with Korean language, culture, society... but while Korean is extremely developed economically.. socially it still far from the Western standard... though slowly getting there. For example, (Ageism/ sexism/ racism here is not considered a crime like it is in the West when it comes to employment.)

If you do choose to come here, I would recommend that you have a strong exit plan prepared. (A 38 year old American woman quit her job and gave up her nice apartment back home to come do this for and while she enjoyed the opportunity to travel around for a year, did not renew for a 2nd year because she found her workplace unprofessional (compared to Western standards), the language was too difficult and the culture was too different).
If you are already a trained teacher back home with quite a bit of work experience, I do no recommend quitting your job for this, but instead maybe using your summer holidays to take an extended trip here.
Overall, this would be a good short term experience but don't plan on making a long- career out of this, unless you are a qualified teacher back home and can apply to an international school here, where you experience would transfer over when you retuned home.

Good luck with everything!
If you choose to accept the offer I hope you get into a good work place!
Also feel free to PM me.