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  • SPQR
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Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
« on: November 16, 2020, 02:23:58 pm »
The air is unhealthy again but nobody seems to care. SARS-CoV-2
is taking centre stage.

https://aqicn.org/city/seoul/

It is kind of like looking for your wallet during a high speed
car crash.
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Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2020, 03:41:10 pm »
Quote from: SPQR on November 16, 2020, 02:23:58 pm
The air is unhealthy again but nobody seems to care. SARS-CoV-2
is taking centre stage.

https://aqicn.org/city/seoul/

It is kind of like looking for your wallet during a high speed
car crash.

My and my daughter’s sinusitis cares. Like clockwork...
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Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2020, 03:43:39 pm »
Ondols turn on, air quality goes bad, no correlation whatsoever.
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Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2020, 04:23:29 pm »
It's funny because a lot of people's systems got flushed out and their bodies got used to the better air, and now that the pollution is cranking up again they're all feeling it but they don't realize it's the pollution, lol.

They're all just blaming the changing of seasons and drop in temperatures. A couple of ENTs I spoke to said that "allergies" were definitely really bad this year, haha.
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2020, 04:26:35 pm »
Quote from: Chinguetti on November 16, 2020, 04:23:29 pm
It's funny because a lot of people's systems got flushed out and their bodies got used to the better air, and now that the pollution is cranking up again they're all feeling it but they don't realize it's the pollution, lol.

They're all just blaming the changing of seasons and drop in temperatures. A couple of ENTs I spoke to said that "allergies" were definitely really bad this year, haha.

It’s because you didn’t put on a jacket when you were outside walking in the sunshine... sweating...

“Aren’t you cold?”
“Nope. I feel kind of hot.”
“LIES!”
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Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2020, 04:31:31 pm »
Quote from: Don Hobak on November 16, 2020, 04:26:35 pm
It’s because you didn’t put on a jacket when you were outside walking in the sunshine... sweating...

Someone also told me it's because I had a magnesium deficiency, like that was DEFINITELY my problem and that it couldn't possibly be because of anything else.

Then got mad when I told them that I eat a lot of foods with magnesium and also take supplements, so that really can't be it, lmao.
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Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2020, 05:25:00 pm »
Quote from: Don Hobak on November 16, 2020, 04:26:35 pm
It’s because you didn’t put on a jacket when you were outside walking in the sunshine... sweating...

“Aren’t you cold?”
“Nope. I feel kind of hot.”
“LIES!”
i've posted this before, but in my first year in korea, i got gastroenteritis. i literally couldn't leave the toilet. i hadn't drunk anything for probably 36 hours, and was already feeling very dehydrated. it was also the peak of summer. my gf (now wife) dragged me (almost literally) to the doctors. the doc gave me 2 shots in the bum (as is tradition) and told me i had to sweat it out. he said go home, wear a hoodie, turn off the air con, and wrap myself up in my blankets. my gf made me do just that. i was honestly too weak to argue. i think i almost died from heat exhaustion and dehydration
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2020, 06:02:34 pm »
Quote from: Chinguetti on November 16, 2020, 04:31:31 pm
Someone also told me it's because I had a magnesium deficiency, like that was DEFINITELY my problem and that it couldn't possibly be because of anything else.

Then got mad when I told them that I eat a lot of foods with magnesium and also take supplements, so that really can't be it, lmao.

I’m sure it’s something they recently heard on the Home Shopping Network (second only to YouTube for getting your news) and are now paying 150k in monthly installments over the next 5 years for the lifetime supply they ordered. If you only understood just how much they’ve invested in it, then you’d see there really is no other explanation for your symptoms.

Two words: 크릴 오일.

@oggie

That’s a treatment they never teach you in nursing school. They probably rightly recognized your ailment as being one of the spirit rather than the body and were trying to trigger a delirium-induced spiritual awakening.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2020, 06:09:54 pm by Don Hobak »
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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2020, 06:25:14 pm »
Serious question. When the dust is bad outside, does it make any sense to dry your laundry inside rather than outside? I feel like not. Indoor air pollution is already worse than outdoor pollution, and unless you have a powerful air purifier in your home, the outdoor air being of lower quality is only going to worsen the indoor air quality as well. Plus the laundry will take longer to dry, and there are more opportunities for it to absorb smells if dried indoors.
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2020, 06:42:31 pm »
Quote from: Don Hobak on November 16, 2020, 06:25:14 pm
Serious question. When the dust is bad outside, does it make any sense to dry your laundry inside rather than outside? I feel like not. Indoor air pollution is already worse than outdoor pollution, and unless you have a powerful air purifier in your home, the outdoor air being of lower quality is only going to worsen the indoor air quality as well. Plus the laundry will take longer to dry, and there are more opportunities for it to absorb smells if dried indoors.

When hang-drying my clothes, I always try to do it with open air, even if the air is polluted, because the point is to dry my clothes as quickly as possible. I won't do it at the cost of my own health, though, so it either needs to happen outside completely, or it needs to be in a room that I can keep closed off from myself so that my air purifier can keep doing what it's supposed to be doing (my air purifier absolutely makes a huge difference in my quality of life here).

If the air smells bad or it's not possible to hang dry them outside or in a closed off room where I can keep the window open, though, I'd just use a fan and a dehumidifier to get the job done.

This is what I did on stinky days before the laundromat near me opened up and I was able to take advantage of its dryers. And I can honestly admit now that I'd probably buy my own dryer if that option were no longer available to me.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2020, 06:48:28 pm by Chinguetti »
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Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2020, 10:35:59 pm »
I feel pain in my chest or neck when air pollution goes 100+, like today. A glass of red wine qua medicine and i'm good to go. :)
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Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2020, 07:27:11 am »
well I'm getting DM's from the school about fine dust, so...? And I had a conversation about the air quality this morning.
I can tell it's bad because my sinuses hurt and I'm stuffed up. I also get bloody noses when it's really bad. I'm also more tired than usual.
 
Quote from: VanIslander on November 16, 2020, 10:35:59 pm
I feel pain in my chest or neck when air pollution goes 100+, like today.
maybe this is why my neck is stiff too.
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Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2020, 07:39:16 am »
can't even use the air purifier at school because of covid. and have to keep the windows open at all times. brilliant
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Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2020, 07:43:30 am »
It was the air quality that kept me largely at home this past weekend, not Covid. 
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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2020, 08:21:36 am »
I'm luckier than most. I have my own classroom with three air purifiers (one supplied by the school this year, and two of my own that I'd purchased a while back), and my main school is laidback enough to let me stay there. I used the excuse that it's because I have to make a lot of materials, and the other KTs find my process disruptive -- which is all true. It's just not my main motivation, lol.

And I can run the purifiers all the time because my classroom isn't getting used this year, thanks to covid. I still have to teach in my students' non-filtered homerooms (I wear my Respro masks whenever I do), and I still share an office at my travel schools, but at least I don't have to sit it in it during my breaks and off-periods 3 days out of the week.

I'm still trying to readjust to the heightened pollution levels again, though. What little exposure I have to it is still enough to drain me and run my sinuses ragged.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2020, 08:32:49 am by Chinguetti »
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  • Lazio
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Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2020, 10:01:15 am »
Quote from: Aristocrat on November 16, 2020, 03:43:39 pm
Ondols turn on, air quality goes bad, no correlation whatsoever.

No correlation indeed!
The air quality is always bad when it's unseasonably warm. Which means that air masses are moving in from where they aren't supposed to during this time of the year.
Also, the air has been completely still for the past several days.
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Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2020, 10:19:27 am »
High air pressure = more atoms in less space (density) = a "heavier blanket" over the pollution trapping it from rising in the atmosphere. The "clear" sky warm day may be clear of visible clouds but FULL of more than usual invisible atoms a.k.a. high air pressure downward (wind is another matter = change in density).

A cold winter day or cloudy summer day = best air conditions (again, not factoring in wind, as a change in air pressure from certain directions of course affects matters).

I minored in Geography, spending 4 months (one semester) of my life convinced i should become a meteorologist.

Then a breadth requirement Philosophy course changed everything... (informal logic & argumentation; applied ethics; the pre-Socratics, Socrates - not Plato - Aristotle, C.S. Peirce, Nietzsche, the latter Wittgenstein, to put them in historical order).
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Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2020, 10:42:59 am »
Stable high pressure areas tend to be stagnant and dry, which prevents the dissipation of local pollutants.
Clear and cloudless skies are usually signs of a high pressure system.
The "weight" of the atmosphere has very little affect on pollution, per se. It's correlative, not causative.
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Re: Have you noticed nobody cares about fine dust any more?
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2020, 12:09:57 pm »
My schools use the air purifiers today and keep the windows closed.  I keep the windows closed at home, though did get hot a couple of evenings and had to turn on the air con for an hour. 
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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2020, 12:22:08 pm »
Yeah, just left school due to feeling so sick from the fine dust. Woke up with a terrible headache today and only felt worse with time. I can straight up smell the pollution in the air.... It's such a shame because last year all the classrooms got air filters, but we can't use them due to corona.
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