I don't think that "lying" is really a fair word here. A lot of people simply don't understand efficient exercise/actual calorie-counting enough to give any sort of estimation beyond the effort put in. I think the majority of people trying to lose weight aren't self-loathing snakes that have to desperately hide their lack of effort, rather just misinformed people who aren't exercising/dieting properly, and don't see results despite putting in the effort.

Well I certainly agree to some extent, as my list of food fails attests to. That being said, yeah a bunch are just lying. Lying to the doctor and lying to themselves. Just like people lie to the dentist.

Like if my car broke down I could spend a lot of time trying to fix it and ultimately fail. Doesn't change the fact that I tried, though.

And what I'm getting at here isn't that we should reward people for trying, but that instead of shaming people for trying and failing we should be encouraging and show them the right way to go about it. Instead of saying that they are "lying" just skip the accusatory tone altogether and introduce them to a dietician or something.

Depends how you tried. Did you actually try or did you open up the hood, fiddle for 5 minutes,  drink your 2nd beer, shoot the bull with your neighbor who rattles something for 5 minutes and then decide to watch the ballgame?

If you're going to lose a lot of weight, you need to be honest with yourself. All the dieticians in the world can't help a person who lies to themselves and then to their doctor/dietician. Same as drug addicts. They have to be willing and they have to be honest about why they're doing it and if they're doing them or not.

I mentioned earlier on this thread the only reason their voices are even projected so much is because of people making fun of them and whatnot. I mean the only reason I heard of that bit of the body positivity movement was conservative outlets mocking them lol.

Uh....Lizzo anyone? Then you had people attacking Adele for losing weight.

there are people that lie, yeah, but my default position is usually to assume they're just misinformed and approach it from that angle.

I really don't see any reason to do that. Given that people lie to their dentist about how many times they brush their teeth a day, something that is NOT a result of misinformation, I think they are likely lying about this. I mean, not eating garbage food, eating reasonable portion sizes and getting some kind of exercise are not really rocket science concepts. I mean sure if you have people coming in saying "I jog this much per day, and I'm keeping a journal of what I eat and how much I exercise" and so on, then yeah, lying might not be the thing to assume.

I don't think many people are coming in with food diaries and fitbit records and so on. If they do, the doctor will almost certainly give them a completely different response, especially such a person is likely to start with "Here are my records, maybe I missed something, can you take a look?"

if i did, i'd still be better served by someone telling me to go to a mechanic than someone telling me "its easy, you can fix it, youre just lying"

Me personally, I was better served by my dad telling me to get my butt back outside and under the car when he found me in front of the TV watching college football instead of working on the car like I was supposed to. It wasn't too hard. I could try and lie that I didn't know how or it was too difficult, but that wouldn't work.

But fair enough, your metaphor probably works better, so I'm not going to dispute it too much.

yeah, ok, but i really dont think that the majority of people are like that, and i still prefer to give the benefit of the doubt

Ahhh...the classic debate I've had with Mr. C- To what extent are people liars and how much do they lie to others and to themselves? I take it both you and him are on the "People are mostly honest" side of things. I am much more cynical of human nature. Probably why you two, to paraphrase George F. Will, "Are happy and liberal, while I'm embittered and conservative."

You could point to any number of dumb shit involving/surrounding celebrities, so you'll have to excuse me if I don't take tabloid-tier shit too seriously, lol.

Lizzo was a bit beyond tabloid. And in this day and age, yeah, celebrities do drive the conversation about many things.

Something to think about regarding Body Positivity.

I know one of these Body Positivity moms, she's pretty fat. She has a teenage daughter who has, sadly, gone from chubby to fat in a very short amount of time. Smart and delightful girl, but there you have it. The entire family is fat because of a lack of exercise and seriously unhealthy eating habits, this isn't just my BS, I've sat down and shared meals in their home on multiple occasions. There's scarcely any vegetables on the table, they'll wash down mountains of food with rivers of Coke and then there's pies and cake for dessert. Some tasty stuff, but f*cking hell, I'd be able to go 3 days without eating after that.

The daughter is extremely sensitive about her weight, as teenage girls are, and might be getting teased for it (bullying is unacceptable, but it'll always be there. Expecting a society where everyone says nice things is incredibly naive). To make her daughter feel better the mother took her on a shopping spree and buys her RIDICULOUSLY expensive clothes and shoes.

This doesn't come from nowhere because the fat mother has her own shopping addiction to cope with her insecurities of being fat. It's gotten bad enough to cause financial problems for the family.

All the while the mother has done an almost CCP style censorship of any movies, games, pictures, words and even people associated with being fit, athletic or slim. None of those things are welcome in her home and all the while, she'll try to brainwash all around her that she's a BBW, that she's healthy and an 11/10 etc.

This is the kind of nonsense you're going to be doing if you're going to try and get your brain to deny 200,000yrs of human instinct.

I just think most people (most, of course there are assholes out there) are sick of

A) "Actually, I am attractive." Well, that's not for you to say. You can think that you're hot, I don't care. But you cannot expect anyone else to. Same with being funny or smart or any other trait that someone might have. "I AM FUNNY." Well, it's not up to you. Sorry.

B) "Actually, this isn't unhealthy." Again.............. really? I don't really care what you do with your body, genuinely. But don't tell me that being 135kg and measuring a whopping 165cm tall doesn't come without consequences. It does.

C) "I can't lose weight. My body isn't X/Y/Z." Have you talked to a fitness coach/dietician? No? Then.............. sorry, that's hard to believe then. Oh, you have? Have you talked to medical personnel? Family doc, endocrinologist, anyone? No one is an expert at everything.  And it's highly unlikely that you're one of those 1 in 10 000 people with this bizarre endocrine issue.

Most people here are not for bullying overweight people. Most people don't REALLY, GENUINELY care that someone is overweight.

But when A, B or C happen, then it's "Uhh, sorry. That's not how that works."

No one here wants to round overweight people up and put them in weight loss camps while shouting at them about how ugly they are.

But a lot of people simply don't like "WELP WHAT CAN YOU DO? HUEHUE THIS IS ME, NOTHING I CAN DO." *devours 2100 calories for lunch*

”Most americans are fat. Most are not trying to lose weight. (Fact)"

Correct. Most Americans are not actively even trying to lose weight. Even though they are overweight. They probably (errantly) think they are healthy the way they are and thus aren’t making an effort to change. (And/or they don’t care / can’t be bothered.) This is not everyone; however, it is A LOT. As soon as I wrote that I deleted it, thinking it to be distasteful, however I’ll say it again now. It’s true. Statistics show most Americans aren’t dieting. Statistics also show most Americans are overweight. And alcohol consumption went up during the pandemic. And weight went up, too. (There’s a correlation there.)

But actually, I am funny AND I am attractive. (There's a correlation there.)_(Fact.)

Some levity............. . (and a classic YT vid)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mbp0DugfCA

But actually, I am funny AND I am attractive. (There's a correlation there.)_(Fact.)

Post again some of the hilarious writing you’ve penned. A laugh to round out the workweek will do us some good.

Can I post a picture of my emissions?