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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #60 on: June 22, 2021, 09:46:03 am »
My friend got a no-show AZ jab on Saturday. The doctor there told him that he was lucky because that was the last day he could get it in June. According to him, there is no vaccine now for the general public untill some time in July. The media is very quiet about this issue and they are focusing on the above target 15 million partially vaccinated and how Korea will reach 70% by September. But no mention of this apparently several week long gap in the vaccine supply.
They are still using whatever limited supply there is from Pfizer and Moderna for selected groups. And also some reserved for the second doses.

Lazio you linked two news articles stating exactly this.... :/


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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #61 on: June 22, 2021, 09:57:12 am »
Lazio you linked two news articles stating exactly this.... :/

Yes, and no. It wasn't clearly stated that they will completely stop with inoculating the general public for an uncertain period because there is no vaccine. If you read between the lines, there are bits that indicate a slowdown but it isn't clear at all.
They mentioned the delay of some that is supposed to arrive through the Covax scheme. But unrealted to Covax, there could be still incoming shipments from Moderna and Pfizer and even AZ. Well, seems like those are also arriving slowly and only enough for certain groups and for second doses.
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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #62 on: June 22, 2021, 11:51:23 am »
Well I read it on Canadian internet and Canadian internet is only for serious matters and to promote Canadian culture. Have a problem take it up with the Canadian internet police or our supreme leader.
Canadians just do it for the sake of instigating because the game is 5-1 and they're bored.
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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #63 on: June 22, 2021, 12:23:12 pm »
Well I read it on Canadian internet and Canadian internet is only for serious matters and to promote Canadian culture. Have a problem take it up with the Canadian internet police or our supreme leader.

I'll take nothing up with Turdo.  He ain't supreme on anything except wearing racist blackface. 


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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #64 on: June 24, 2021, 11:00:22 am »
My wife and I got the 2nd AZ jab yesterday. No hassles yet.


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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #65 on: June 24, 2021, 11:07:56 am »
From what I've heard and read, negative side effects for the second dose are not very common at all. Especially the severe side effects as the rate is lower than the natural background occurrence of a blood clot in people who have not received the AstraZeneca vaccine.


Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #66 on: June 24, 2021, 11:17:58 am »
My wife and I got the 2nd AZ jab yesterday. No hassles yet.

Oh I thought they were switching to pfizer for everyone in june/July. We’ll see what happens in August.


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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #67 on: June 24, 2021, 11:32:34 am »
My wife and I got the 2nd AZ jab yesterday. No hassles yet.

That's great. But you didn't answer my question on the other thread? What country do you live in?


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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #68 on: June 24, 2021, 11:43:21 am »
Thailand


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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #70 on: June 24, 2021, 11:55:17 am »
Laos?


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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #71 on: June 24, 2021, 11:56:25 am »
Also, that guy might be a troll.


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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #73 on: June 25, 2021, 05:39:19 am »
Well, that is a tough one because it's also well known that pregnant women are more vulnerable when it comes to Covid infections for the Delta strain despite LI's dismissals of Covid sufferers as being lazy and overweight.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00716-9/fulltext
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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #74 on: June 25, 2021, 08:44:42 am »
Well, that is a tough one because it's also well known that pregnant women are more vulnerable when it comes to Covid infections for the Delta strain despite LI's dismissals of Covid sufferers as being lazy and overweight.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00716-9/fulltext
just fyi

https://globalnews.ca/news/7970612/covid-vaccines-post-menopausal-bleeding/
Well, that is a tough one because it's also well known that pregnant women are more vulnerable when it comes to Covid infections for the Delta strain despite LI's dismissals of Covid sufferers as being lazy and overweight.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00716-9/fulltext

The article was about post-menopausal bleeding (but I'm aware the vaccines can affect the menstrual cycle in general), but, yes, nonetheless, the reported cases are still relatively low  and older people are more vulnerable to the virus.

Still good to know and hopefully they find out why.
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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #75 on: June 25, 2021, 08:47:17 am »
My wife had a nasty headache. I feel great. I spent most of the afternoon in the pool reading and having a couple of cold beers. I'll load the dog up in the car and go to a waterfall today and let him run around.


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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #76 on: June 25, 2021, 09:25:57 am »
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/nearly-covid-deaths-us-now-154100375.html

Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated

Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.

An Associated Press analysis of available government data from May shows that “breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 853,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That’s about 0.1%.

And only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average.

The AP analyzed figures provided by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The CDC itself has not estimated what percentage of hospitalizations and deaths are in fully vaccinated people, citing limitations in the data.

Among them: Only about 45 states report breakthrough infections, and some are more aggressive than others in looking for such cases. So the data probably understates such infections, CDC officials said.

Still, the overall trend that emerges from the data echoes what many health care authorities are seeing around the country and what top experts are saying.

Earlier this month, Andy Slavitt, a former adviser to the Biden administration on COVID-19, suggested that 98% to 99% of the Americans dying of the coronavirus are unvaccinated.

And CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said on Tuesday that the vaccine is so effective that "nearly every death, especially among adults, due to COVID-19, is, at this point, entirely preventable.” She called such deaths “particularly tragic.”

Deaths in the U.S. have plummeted from a peak of more than 3,400 day on average in mid-January, one month into the vaccination drive.

About 63% of all vaccine-eligible Americans — those 12 and older — have received at least one dose, and 53% are fully vaccinated, according to the CDC. While vaccine remains scarce in much of the world, the U.S. supply is so abundant and demand has slumped so dramatically that shots sit unused.

Ross Bagne, a 68-year-old small-business owner in Cheyenne, Wyoming, was eligible for the vaccine in early February but didn't get it. He died June 4, infected and unvaccinated, after spending more than three weeks in the hospital, his lungs filling with fluid. He was unable to swallow because of a stroke.

“He never went out, so he didn’t think he would catch it,” said his grieving sister, Karen McKnight. She wondered: “Why take the risk of not getting vaccinated?”

The preventable deaths will continue, experts predict, with unvaccinated pockets of the nation experiencing outbreaks in the fall and winter. Ali Mokdad, a professor of health metrics sciences at the University of Washington in Seattle, said modeling suggests the nation will hit 1,000 deaths per day again next year.

In Arkansas, which has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the nation, with only about 33% of the population fully protected, cases, hospitalizations and deaths are rising.

“It is sad to see someone go to the hospital or die when it can be prevented," Gov. Asa Hutchinson tweeted as he urged people to get their shots.

In Seattle's King County, the public health department found only three deaths during a recent 60-day period in people who were fully vaccinated. The rest, some 95% of 62 deaths, had had no vaccine or just one shot.

“Those are all somebody’s parents, grandparents, siblings and friends,” said Dr. Mark Del Beccaro, who helps lead a vaccination outreach program in King County. “It’s still a lot of deaths, and they’re preventable deaths.”

In the St. Louis area, more than 90% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 have not been vaccinated, said Dr. Alex Garza, a hospital administrator who directs a metropolitan-area task force on the outbreak.

“The majority of them express some regret for not being vaccinated,” Garza said. “That’s a pretty common refrain that we’re hearing from patients with COVID.”

The stories of unvaccinated people dying may convince some people they should get the shots, but young adults — the group least likely to be vaccinated — may be motivated more by a desire to protect their loved ones, said David Michaels, an epidemiologist at George Washington University's school of public health in the nation's capital.

Others need paid time off to get the shots and deal with any side effects, Michaels said.

The Occupational Safety and Health Administration this month began requiring health care employers, including hospitals and nursing homes, to provide such time off. But Michaels, who headed OSHA under President Barack Obama, said the agency should have gone further and applied the rule to meat and poultry plants and other food operations as well as other places with workers at risk.

Bagne, who lived alone, ran a business helping people incorporate their companies in Wyoming for the tax advantages. He was winding down the business, planning to retire, when he got sick, emailing his sister in April about an illness that had left him dizzy and disoriented.

“Whatever it was. That bug took a LOT out of me,” he wrote.

As his health deteriorated, a neighbor finally persuaded him to go to the hospital.

“Why was the messaging in his state so unclear that he didn’t understand the importance of the vaccine? He was a very bright guy," his sister said. “I wish he’d gotten the vaccine, and I’m sad he didn’t understand how it could prevent him from getting COVID."


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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #77 on: June 25, 2021, 04:03:29 pm »
My wife had a nasty headache. I feel great. I spent most of the afternoon in the pool reading and having a couple of cold beers. I'll load the dog up in the car and go to a waterfall today and let him run around.

I get it ...I got both doses of Pfizer myself ...my point is you shouldn't discount certain side effects (in this case, bleeding in post menopausal women which cannot currently be explained by a heightened immunological response).. I'm glad of the transparency and hopefully that''ll lead to even safer vaccines.
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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #78 on: June 27, 2021, 09:51:14 am »
Smart folks read news. We don't limit ourselves to that with which we already agree. That's dumb.

Was the article demonstrably false?


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Re: Covid Vaccine are equal
« Reply #79 on: July 11, 2021, 02:23:24 am »
This may be of interest to anyone that has received a first jab of the Astra vaccine. I reckon I'll try and get mine at about the 10 week mark and bank on the opportunity for an mRNA booster shot later in the year. 

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Why am I being offered an early second dose?
 

Due to a sharp increase in cases of the Delta variant (B.1.617.2) in the UK, and because of good progress with the vaccine rollout, you may be offered your second dose sooner than you were expecting. In particular, the UK government has said that second doses for over 40s and those who are at higher risk of becoming ill from Covid-19 (including those with heart and circulatory conditions) should now be offered after eight weeks, instead of 12 weeks. This is to ensure that the people who are at highest risk are fully vaccinated against the virus as soon as possible.
https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/vaccine-second-dose#Heading2

It's starting to be contemplated in places like Sydney too with their recent outbreak of the Delta variant. And to those who think still think Covid only affects the obese and elderly, there are reports of patients being admitted into ICU wards in their teens, 20s & 30s  without  significant underlying health issues.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/it-s-critical-people-tell-the-truth-delta-strain-outpaces-nsw-contact-tracers-20210710-p588k7.html

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/it-s-critical-people-tell-the-truth-delta-strain-outpaces-nsw-contact-tracers-20210710-p588k7.html

The earlier recommendation of Astra only for the over 60s in Australia has been revised to basically any adult over 30 after consultation with a GP with regards to the risks.   
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