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The most useless module you've done at university
« on: October 07, 2021, 12:44:00 pm »
My vote has to go to 'Ethics in Education'

Unless you've grown up in North Sentinel Island, where you've had no contact with civilisation, all mentally sound adults are going to have an understanding of what is morally right and wrong. Yes, morals and ethics vary somewhat between cultures, but being raised in a certain environment teaches you these morals and ethics.

Ethics in Education is basically studying the theories of a bunch of tenured assholes who need to invent problems and solutions so they can justify why they still need an office.

It's a module for people who incapable of making decisions, leading or thinking for themselves.

It is completely useless in the classroom.
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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2021, 12:46:37 pm »
Philosophy of Education......ughh hh.
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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2021, 01:03:13 pm »
i took some computer class to fulfill a gen ed requirement. goddamn it was useless. i can't remember a single thing from that class. on the other hand, i took a public speaking class to fulfill a different requirement and that class was great
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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2021, 01:05:17 pm »
Philosophy of Education......ughh hh.

So glad I finished that crap.
To be fair, I did find it somewhat useful as it included elements of psychology (different approaches to get someone to learn something).

It becomes completely pointless and ridiculous when it starts teaching about "diversity" and "inclusivity" in that insufferable woke rhetoric most of us detest. 


Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2021, 01:10:20 pm »
Higher education in the non-STEM/ fields (and business fields to some extent), as it is presently implemented, is woefully inefficient to the point of possibly being a net-negative. The entire concept is barely in the 20th century in large parts, and in many ways still stuck in the 19th.
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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2021, 01:10:46 pm »
...all mentally sound adults are going to have an understanding of what is morally right and wrong.


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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2021, 01:23:55 pm »
i took some computer class to fulfill a gen ed requirement. goddamn it was useless. i can't remember a single thing from that class. on the other hand, i took a public speaking class to fulfill a different requirement and that class was great

Like 15 years ago I had to take a computer class too.  Business and computers or something like that.  An into course for 3 credit hours.  How to use Power Point, Microsoft Word, both of which I already knew tinkering around on my own.  Excel, I took in a finance course already and already sort of knew, and then Microsoft Access which I already forgot how to use.  Maybe a brief intro of hardware and software, what's the difference?  Basic make up of a computer and it's history?  I wouldn't have thought they'd still teach basics of computers now though since so many grew up with them.  (We didn't have smart phones then.)  When I was a kid, computer was slow dial up with low graphics, but got my tunes off Napster. 

Anyhew, PPT, Word, and Excel, I still remember.  Access is history.  Using a couple of other things I can still do.  Some funky key commands like shift tab to go back, etc.  Some F commands.  But I assume now there's some coding and basic programming language thrown in?  Make a website or a software program or something?  Learn some of those old DOS commands?  (I actually did try out someone's old 80's computer in the 90's for kicks.  It was odd.) 


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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2021, 01:26:58 pm »
My vote has to go to 'Ethics in Education'

Unless you've grown up in North Sentinel Island, where you've had no contact with civilisation, all mentally sound adults are going to have an understanding of what is morally right and wrong. Yes, morals and ethics vary somewhat between cultures, but being raised in a certain environment teaches you these morals and ethics.

Ethics in Education is basically studying the theories of a bunch of tenured assholes who need to invent problems and solutions so they can justify why they still need an office.

It's a module for people who incapable of making decisions, leading or thinking for themselves.

It is completely useless in the classroom.

Most universities have theri own courses.  Mine liked to double up.  So for philiosphy majors they had an ethics course.  They sent business, religious studies etc over to their department to take it.  So, the prof had to talk a bit about everything.  I argued with him a bit as his Marxist leanings weren't my cup of tea.  Though he could be funny sometimes and we actually liked each other.  (Him liking me for not being another suck up, I think.)  Anyways, I don't think I learned too much from it.  Waste of space.  I wish university had more skills training thrown into it.  It should now to help grads actually get jobs. 


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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2021, 01:28:26 pm »
yeah there was nothing about word or powerpoint but some excel/access stuff (still no idea what access is for). i think there was a unit where we made basic autohotkey scripts, but who knows. we learned some history stuff too. everyone in that class was checked out
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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2021, 01:29:21 pm »
Higher education in the non-STEM/ fields (and business fields to some extent), as it is presently implemented, is woefully inefficient to the point of possibly being a net-negative. The entire concept is barely in the 20th century in large parts, and in many ways still stuck in the 19th.

This has been one of the hardest pills to swallow as an adult.

As I look back on 2yrs of this PGCE, I've picked up some incredibly valuable pedagogical knowledge and skills. The problem is that it's mixed in with BS. If we remove subject specialisations then, Classroom Management will be the most valuable and useful module to study, it's infinitely more important and useful than Ethics in Education however, Classroom Management is allotted the same amount of time as something as useless as Ethics.

I Fully understand Nel Noddings 'Ethics of Care', a pedagogical approach that no public school teacher in their right mind would use, but haven't fully covered the dynamics of classroom discipline and layout because one semester was all this invaluable module was allotted.
 
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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2021, 01:36:45 pm »
yeah there was nothing about word or powerpoint but some excel/access stuff (still no idea what access is for). i think there was a unit where we made basic autohotkey scripts, but who knows. we learned some history stuff too. everyone in that class was checked out

I did get 3 credit hours for it though but waited until my final year to take it.  Was an intro business course.  Access something to do with scheduling appointments and time or something like that.  I'd have to watch a YouTube vid on it but I don't need it now.  Many companies will use their own or other software anyways.  Excel will be most useful for the job market, but google and youtube will have info on how to set up tables and calculations etc.  Mostly slept in it too.  Ha ha. 

I am guessing now more people know about Word and PowerPoint so they skipped teaching it....


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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2021, 01:39:35 pm »
This has been one of the hardest pills to swallow as an adult.

As I look back on 2yrs of this PGCE, I've picked up some incredibly valuable pedagogical knowledge and skills. The problem is that it's mixed in with BS. If we remove subject specialisations then, Classroom Management will be the most valuable and useful module to study, it's infinitely more important and useful than Ethics in Education however, Classroom Management is allotted the same amount of time as something as useless as Ethics.

I Fully understand Nel Noddings 'Ethics of Care', a pedagogical approach that no public school teacher in their right mind would use, but haven't fully covered the dynamics of classroom discipline and layout because one semester was all this invaluable module was allotted.
 
My sister is 15 and a near prodigy at maths and science. Every opportunity I get I tell her to not even consider anything outside the S.T.E.M. fields and to pursue a career path that is highly marketable in developed countries.

Nowadays, unless you have some special skill, expect to be treated like crap in today's market.  All the former good paying industrial jobs were sent overseas and replaced by low paying service jobs.  But if you are in IT, or Finance, or something get well treated, pampered, and well paid by companies.  Otherwise get condescending low pay treatment.  You will just be a number. 


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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2021, 01:40:07 pm »
tbh i think even STEM is too broad... its really like sTEm (emphasis on technology/engineering if that wasn't clear). i have a friend who studied math and he said without any other qualification/degree (ex. a minor in finance), employers weren't that interested. similar story for my friend who studied biology (but she ended up going to grad school and getting a job in a lab).

my friends who studied computer science or engineering on the other hand... god damn! $_$
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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2021, 01:50:49 pm »
What's a module?  I had courses.


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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2021, 01:51:42 pm »
tbh i think even STEM is too broad... its really like sTEm (emphasis on technology/engineering if that wasn't clear). i have a friend who studied math and he said without any other qualification/degree (ex. a minor in finance), employers weren't that interested. similar story for my friend who studied biology (but she ended up going to grad school and getting a job in a lab).

my friends who studied computer science or engineering on the other hand... god damn! $_$

Companies use to take a grad and train them in more detail themselves.  But now so many go to school and there are so many grads companies can be picky and obnoxious.  As for university, they need more full time tutors.  Often the way they teach math, science, computers is too academic with lectures and not enough hands on experience and elarning by doing.  Students often don't get it and flunk out or switch to arts as a result.  On the other hand if some of these courses were classes all day like some colleges with ltos of practice and lots of exercises and tasks done in class, more students would know the material and be better at also test better.  They would be more marketable in the job market.  But most unviersities want to get more money and fat paychecks in exchange for doing very little work (IE very few office hours, not wanting to change things from old outdated 19th century ways, etc). 

University system needs a scalpel put to it and to be radically overhauled to get kids jobs and make them employable.  Even the arts kids should have to take a few practical courses.  But often institutions are resistant to change.  They are not resistant to hiking tuition to build new fancy walkways, hike thier pay, give themselves more perks, and let the kids be thousands of dollars in debt to pay for their do nothing lavish lifestyles.  Before demanding free or cost reduced university from the government, first demand the schools do a radical overhaul and reform first. 

Some debt would be tolerable if you actually got a good job with decent pay.  It's when you don't get that and have a high debt that it's a kick in the teeth.  Of course, in the 80s and 90s some folks went to Japan and made good money to repay that debt and in the 90's and 2000's folks came to South Korea to repay that debt.  (Nowdays, where would they go?  China or elsewhere?)  There were extreme options like going overseas in other words.  But it was often uncertain and not many did it. 

Debts are higher than ever way above inflation due to greedy teach nothing universities charging an arm and a leg and not even reforming what or how they teach.  (More in class all day and tutors with frequent office hours would be a good start plus teach the latest software that companies actually use.) 


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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2021, 02:08:59 pm »
I done a computing degree, and there was a class in my first year, it was some kinda like, psyche class or something.
The professor was some tenured lady, who didn't even seem like she was interested in what she was teaching. None of the higher classes needed that, majority of the class was confused all semester too lol.


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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2021, 02:38:24 pm »
My vote has to go to 'Ethics in Education'

think i might be able to one-up you on that one, i took a course called "tumblr and the SJWs" 


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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2021, 02:42:52 pm »
think i might be able to one-up you on that one, i took a course called "tumblr and the SJWs" 



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Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2021, 02:55:21 pm »
What's a module?  I had courses.

Modules are the individual units of courses, certificates, diplomas or degrees.


Re: The most useless module you've done at university
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2021, 03:17:30 pm »
Rewriting a large part of the 'Treaty of Waitangi' word for word. What a complete waste of time when just reading it would  have done. I guess the lecturer thought more would sink in. A useless module, although the rest was interesting.